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A Glance At 24 Keyboards & Mice

robyn217 writes "Hey, KBs and mice aren't the most glamorous hardware in your system but there's no reason for them to be dull. I spent the last month testing out a new keyboard and mouse every day; covering everything from strange one-handed KBs to cool gesture-sensing pads to tacky ball-based mice. Check it out if you're thinking about trading up." Strictly one-paragraph blurbs here (I wish she'd talked about each keyboard's tactile feedback, and long-term comfort on the oddball designs), but if you need to do a visual scan of current offerings (many wireless), you can work toward a new mouse by clicking your way through. Update: 01/21 21:58 GMT by T : Errr, Robyn's a He, not a She -- many apologies. That hasn't happened in years!

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  1. Best Keyboard... by ajiva · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Seriously the best keyboards are the new Sun Type6 USB keyboards. They are sturdy, have the right "click" and since they are USB work with everything. Plus the control and capslock are in the proper position.

    1. Re:Best Keyboard... by frodo+from+middle+ea · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Am I the only one, who hates USB keyboard and mouse. What's wrong with PS/2 ?
      Each of my USB port is connected to a 4 port USB hub. But most USB device manifacturer's derive all power from the USB and you would be lucky enough to support even 2 devices on a hub.
      If you read the fine print on all USB devices, it says "Don't connect via a usb Hub, directly plug-in to the pc's usb port.". Call any tech support for a problem on USB device, and the first thing they tell you is NOT to connect via a hub.

      How the fcuk I am supposed to connect 8 usb devices on a 3 port USB card without a USB hub ?

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    2. Re:Best Keyboard... by tjansen · · Score: 5, Interesting
      A lot is wrong with PS/2:
      • PS/2 is not hotpluggable. It is possibly to short-circuit your motherboard and fry your controller (not likely, but I saw at least one broken mobo after a failed hotplug attempt)
      • It is stupid to have a separate kind of port for each peripheral. There are already more than enough (serial&parallel ports, firewire, gameport, and analog audio in/outs should die as well, and in the long term there should be only one for network and peripherals)
      • Some people want more than one keyboard or mice/trackballs/graphics tablets. So should a system come with 5 PS/2 ports just for the case? Unlike USB you have no chance to add more PS/2 ports.
      • Even though they look identical the system has two separate ports for keyboard and mouse. Why? There is no logical reason (except bad engineering) for this, and definitely does not help usability
      • PS/2 devices are not good at identifying themselves. With USB a OS can identify the device type and load drivers automatically from the net.


      >>How the fcuk I am supposed to connect 8 usb devices on a 3 port USB card without a USB hub ?

      I agree that even today systems have not enough USB ports. 10 should be a minimum.
      But what's your problem? Try connecting 8 keyboards to three PS/2 ports...

    3. Re:Best Keyboard... by Mafiew · · Score: 5, Informative

      USB mice have a refresh rate of only 125Hz. A ps/2 mouse can be run at 200Hz with a program called ps2 rate (was for 98 not sure if it works for xp) so your ps/2 mouse can actually run smoother than your USB. Also I recall that I had a logitech ps/2 mouse whose driver had a refresh rate setting.

    4. Re:Best Keyboard... by TeknoHog · · Score: 3, Informative
      Even though they look identical the system has two separate ports for keyboard and mouse. Why? There is no logical reason (except bad engineering) for this, and definitely does not help usability

      They use a different pin for data. Laptops have a single PS/2 connector which works for both mice and keyboards, and with a splitter cable they can be plugged in at the same time.

      The question is, why don't all PS/2 ports have both data pins? I guess you could confuse your system with, say, two keyboards, because the system can't handle them separately. Thus I agree that USB would be a lot better.

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    5. Re:Best Keyboard... by PCBman! · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'll back up the other comment about this.

      My logitech MX500 and Trackball are both run through PS/2 ports (home and work respectively). This is to take advantage of the higher report rates that PS/2 supports vs the 100 reports/s on USB.

      Now, why would I need this? 100 report/s still looks jerky to me, and that's annoying thing to deal with when I'm working in CAD software. It's still a preference thing, but PS/2 is STILL better for a mouse in my book, but I guess a keyboard doesn't need it anymore.

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    6. Re:Best Keyboard... by badasscat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Get yourself a Model M - I found mine at a salvage yard for $5 (not including the PS/2 it was attached to). Loudest most satisfying keyboard I have ever owned. Guaranteed to keep the housemates awake and sharpening their bowie knives.

      You'll find lots of Model M stalwarts out there, including myself. This is a keyboard that harkens back to a time when keyboards were considered honest to goodness peripherals, not just little flimsy bits included in the box when you buy your PC and best not thought about. The Model M is not the only high quality, tank-like mechanical keyboard to ever come out, but it's by far the cheapest if you want to go that route now (you can still buy Northgate keyboards marketed under the Avant name, for example, but they cost more than $100).

      You know you're old-school when you have to make sure you avoid the full DIN connector model when purchasing.

      As for the PS/2/USB debate (yeah, not sure how else to write that), I'm sticking with PS/2 until somebody invents something better. USB ain't it, at least not for keyboards and mice. 125hz vs. 200hz? No thanks. You also can't even use your keyboard until the USB driver has loaded - same goes for the mouse. This means if you get stuck in DOS for whatever reason (or, say, at the Recovery Console), you're basically screwed. Same is true for anyone using Linux - I tried a USB keyboard on a Linux box, and every time I screwed something up I'd just have to go and connect my Model M up anyway. I'll say the opposite of what someone else said: it's always better to have a dedicated connector intended to do one thing and one thing only. The PS/2 keyboard and mouse ports on your PC are only intended for the keyboard and mouse and because of that they work better with those devices than any other port your PC has.

    7. Re:Best Keyboard... by ooby · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think we all are forgetting the clickety-klackety keyboards from days of old. Call me nostalgic, but I miss those super loud mechanical keyswitches.

    8. Re:Best Keyboard... by runderwo · · Score: 3, Informative
      PS/2 is not hotpluggable. It is possibly to short-circuit your motherboard and fry your controller (not likely, but I saw at least one broken mobo after a failed hotplug attempt)
      No, at worst you would destroy the fuse. That is why the fuse is there after all. Most decent mb's have healing fuses on those ports anyway.

      The best part about PS/2 is that it is assigned its own interrupt and does not have to share with anything else. Frequently you will end up having your USB controller shared with your video, SCSI, etc, and thus causing more latency whenever a USB event arrives. With PS/2, it's the mouse, and just the mouse, on that interrupt.

  2. When the mouse wheel first came out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...I used to call it the "mouse clit." Still do.

  3. Did they give them the 'junk food' test? by tinrobot · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You know, the real world tests, like how does the keyboard perform after spilling a Red Bull all over it?

  4. One Handed Keyboards? by drewzhrodague · · Score: 3, Informative

    Any one handed keyboards, like the twiddler? They use these for the MIThril wearable project. Some modification required. Location-Based Wi-Fi

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  6. I wonder... by thrills33ker · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why would anyone want a one-handed keyboard?

    Oh... hang on...

  7. Worthless by RobPiano · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As everyone who will read this article will soon find out, it has almost no content. As such I suggest we talk about our own mice/keyboards and experience. I for one really want to know if anyone has tryied the "iGesture" pad/keyboard. It looks cool, but got only 3 circles in this article.

    Currently I am working with all standard QWERTY keyboards. I had one that had volume buttons and some hot keys, but found that I never used them. My student informed me he switched to DVORAK under MacOSX just by switching the key binding. He says that it only took him 2 weeks to get used to it, and two months to get to loving it. I may make the switch after I finish writing my thesis.

    As far as mice, I have a Microsoft Optical Mouse with the side browsing buttons. This is a very good mouse. At work I have a logitech mouse, and it functions perfectly and was very cheap. If I bought another mouse I would buy from Logitech.

    Lastly I have an IBM mobile optical mouse. Do not buy this mouse. Its useless.

  8. old, old joke by Wingchild · · Score: 5, Funny

    covering everything from strange one-handed KBs

    There used to be an old joke about this; Build a one-handed keyboard and the world will beat a path to your door.

    The joke was interchangeable with `left handed mouse for right handed people`.

    And as long as we're in innuendo land, it's appropriate to add that if you build it, they will come. :)

  9. strange one-handed KBs by medscaper · · Score: 4, Funny
    everything from strange one-handed KBs

    Only a woman would think that was strange...

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  10. Trusty IBM Model M by spooon · · Score: 3, Informative

    I can't speak for anyone else, but I think that the best keyboard ever made was the IBM Model M PS/2 keyboard. It's got individual springs for each of the keys, the keys give satisfying clicks, the keycaps are removable, and it's even got a nifty drainage hole on the bottom. It'll even double as a baseball bat in a pinch (steel baseplate). I'm here at work typing on a Dell laptop keyboard which, frankly, is a steaming pile of crap.

    All these newfangled keyboards with their plastic membranes and mushy keys. I'll take my Model M any day.

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  11. wireless? by spoonyfork · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I hate short-life batteries and I hate losing stuff. I can hear it now... "Mommy, where's the mouse?"
    Wireless keyboards and mice aren't going to find their way into my den any time soon.

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  12. More reviews by ValourX · · Score: 4, Informative

    Better reviews of keyboards and mice can be found here:

    Keyboard reviews

    Mouse reviews

    -Jem
  13. Kinesis fan by nosferatu-man · · Score: 3, Informative

    I have a Kinesis Advantange USB keyboard, replacing an older Advantage PS/2 keyboard hooked up to my mac via an unreliable PS/2->USB adapter.

    It's wondrous. I think switching four years ago to Kinesis has saved my hands. I was developing chronic, persistent wrist pain from using my old IBM bucking-spring steel job -- still the best of the flat keyboards -- and was at my wit's end, when the ergo woman at my workplace brought a Kinesis by for me to try.

    Heaven! Keeping the wrists straight, even with my monster hands, has taken enormous strain off of them, and as a result, no more pain.

    In addition, I use a Kensington Expert Mouse Pro trackball (the USB one with four buttons and a scroll wheel), and switch it from left to right every couple of weeks. When I'm out with the powerbook, I use the Apple Pro mono-button mouse, which I dearly, dearly love as well.

    'jfb

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    1. Re:Kinesis fan by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I own 3 Kinesis keyboards myself. I recently got an Advantage USB for my Mac at home, and I use a normal essential at work. I have an essential at home that I used for years, but now needs a good cleaning before it'll work reliably again.

      There are lots of people that swear by them, and I'm one of them. However, I'll tell you the real secret of the Kinesis keyboards:

      Ctrl, Alt, PgUp, PgDown, Home, End, Backspace, Delete, Space and Return are all thumb keys. That's right, there're 12 keys that are actuated with your thumbs, and they're keys that you use all day long. Once you learn the joy of never having to hit the return key with your pinky, or being able to backspace quickly with your thumb without moving your hand, you'll never go back. Personally, I think it would have been cool if one of the thumb keys had been a shift key, but that probably would have been a bit cumbersome.

      I bought a kinesis after someone talked about it on slashdot in the comments. Hopefully, someone out there will also visit www.kinesis-ergo.com and give one of their keyboards a try. You won't regret it, despite the price. If you spend all day typing, you owe it to yourself to have a keyboard that's comfortable and ergonomic. Seriously, I enjoy typing now more than I ever have in the past.

  14. I want a real programmer's keyboard by AaronW · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So far I have yet to see a keyboard truely optimized for programmers. I don't want all the multimedia and email crap keys. The best keyboard I've used to date is the Sun keyboard (that Front key is extremely useful).

    What I want is a keyboard:

    1. Get rid or move the fscking capslock key out of the way. It's a waste of prime real-estate.

    2. Make another row of keys so I don't have to keep hitting shift for all the symbol keys. This is really useful for C, C++, Java, Perl, and script programming, and probably a bunch of other languages as well.

    3. If you split the keys like the MS Natural Keyboard, I think a few additional keys could be moved to the center to reduce stress on the pinky. I.e. shift and possibly Return.

    4. Implement keys on the side like the Sun keyboard. Sun has a reasonably good selection of keys to the left where the function keys used to be on old keyboards. Front, cut, copy, paste, and find are quite useful there.

    5. Move control back where it belongs, where they now place the CAPS lock key. Caps lock is only good for AOL users and should be eliminated for the most part. Or else, move it somewhere out of the way.

    I shouldn't have to keep hitting shift for common keys when programming like () & # - + | ? < > : " { }. As a C programmer I often use the shifted key far more often than the non-shifted (i.e. () {})

    I'd pay good money for such a keyboard. Maybe since Logitech's headquarters is next door to where I work maybe I should walk over there and suggest it to them.

    -Aaron

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  15. Wrong question by nosferatu-man · · Score: 3, Informative

    A better question is: what's right about PS/2? Answer: nothing. It's not hot-swappable. The mouse/keyboard ports are physically identical, but logically distinct -- the most shit-stupid design mistake possible. What if you want more than one mouse? Keyboard?

    In sum: good riddance to bad rubbish.

    'jfb

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  16. Re:Dvorak is the only way to go by So+Called+Expert · · Score: 3, Informative
    And here is the response to this very article:

    One poorly written anti-Dvorak article has had more press in the last several years than the Dvorak keyboard itself. Written by Stan Liebowitz and Stephen Margolis, it has been published in journals, magazines, and web sites again and again and again -- even though The Dvorak Keyboard author Randy Cassingham debunked it years ago.:
    http://www.dvorak-keyboard.com/dvorak2.html

    "I agree with L&M on another thing: there is a need for good-quality, unbiased studies on Dvorak. The best raw data I have access to at present is from KEYTIME, a Seattle-based company which uses keyboard instructional technologies they developed in house. In the past nine years, they have trained several hundred typists on Dvorak, and several thousand on Qwerty, using the exact same equipment and teaching methodologies. They have "repeatedly found" that after 15 hours of training and practice time, existing Qwerty hunt-and-peck typists can touch type at an average 20 WPM. After 15 hours of training and practice on Dvorak, similarly able (Qwerty) typists consistently average 25-30 WPM touch-typing on Dvorak. Further, KEYTIME reports that the Dvorak typists continue to improve at a higher rate. They have noticed a recent "a change in tide" of students wanting to learn Dvorak over Qwerty. "

  17. Apple Keyboards are the best for prOn... by Aqua+OS+X · · Score: 4, Funny

    As Dave Chappelle once said in his Apple Switch Ad...

    Real Video: Broadband

    Real Video: 56k

    "I'm a chronic masturbator. I don't know what they make the keys out of, but, whatever it is, it's non stick"

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  18. Re:Or coffee... by SacredNaCl · · Score: 4, Informative

    PC hardware tends to survive getting wet -- as long as two things are true:

    1) There is no current running through it while it gets wet.

    2) The mixture is not heavily filled with sugar or caramel (like Coke).

    3) You let it dry out before you run current through it.

    Even monitors usually survive a downpour if they have been unplugged for a day or so before you leave them in the rain.

    Found this out while working for a charity thrift store. People would just throw their old junk up on the dock on the day we were closed, a good portion of that time it would rain.

    So coffee (with sweet-n-low) doesn't surprise me. Coffee with sugar is more problematic. Pepsi & Coke tend to kill anything with moveable parts.

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  19. Signal : Noise by Neuracnu+Coyote · · Score: 4, Informative

    On a whim, I decided to check the signal-to-noise ratio on this site's content by taking a screenshot of the full page (165x600 pixels, reduced) and measuring the actual content area (93x100 pixels, reduced by same factor).

    A little area calculation later, the signal to noise for PCMag.com is: 93:897 (ie: noise factor of 9.645 times the signal). I will never visit that site out of choice again.

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  20. Question of gender... by slipgun · · Score: 3, Funny

    Errr, Robyn's a He, not a She -- many apologies. That hasn't happened in years!

    Been that long since a woman submitted a story, eh? Aren't we geeks sad?

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  21. Good content, terrible design. by corian · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The article seemed interesting, but I gave up only one category in. Come on -- one or two paragraphs and a picture per page? That could have easily all fit on one screen and been MUCH easier to read, and prevent having to wait for a ton of extraneous border material to reload and rerender for each component. You don't make people turn the page of your magazine for each new paragraph, do you???