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Spirit Rover Communications Error
cybrthng writes "Through yesterdays press release and the current Nasa Briefing there is news that they are having communications errors with contacting spirit. Is she lost or is it something akin to the Pathfinder failures that happened? Or did little green people claim an expensive tonka truck toy?"
I'm really praying for Opportunity now. We may really need that rover if some good data is to come out of these missions.
But Spirit was only transmitting "pseudo-noise", a random series of zeroes and ones in binary code and not anything the scientists could decipher. - BBC News
It sounds like we still have power and an antenna. Hopefully its just some software error will need a reboot to correct the problem. I think they were late debugging this stuff and actually had to upload the software after the launch. Maybe they missed something.
The only issue I heard was some voltage spikes when the high-gain antenna was rotated. They were not reproduced but perhaps some underlying problem has occurred.
Up to now, NASA has made this look so easy. This is a wake-up call. Putting robots unto another planet is still an epic achievement and so much is left to go wrong even after the landing is over.
Let's hope this is just a red screen of death and a reboot will shake things loose.
I sure hope this does better than some of the others so far.. Otherwise we might already know it's fate.
Hmmm.
Too bad NASA couldn't put a small camera and transmitter on the lander. If they had perhaps it would have been possible to see what attacked poor Spirit.
By now they have probably rebooted it (forced it through safe mode to clear any software fault; space vehicles never really go all the way "down"), so if it's still happenning I would say it's either a hardware fault or corruption of essential software or data in (putatively) nonvolatile memory (not unreasonable in high-rad environments).
If it is corruption of secondary memory, and since they can send valid commands, presumably they can attempt to upload new data/code to fix it.
If they haven't forced it through safe mode, then they're not too worried and are more interested in characterizing the problem than getting on with the scientific mission. Which is a good or a bad thing depending on which sort of information is more valuable. I'm sure the guys in the software group have their bias.
I guess it was fun while it lasted ...
Is it at all possible that getting half commands or garbled commands has confused Sprit?
So even if Spirit gives up the ghost, her kin can carry on the flame (albeit in a less interesting location).
Not if the problem is due to a design fault. That's the drawback of sending multiple identical probes: if one is intrinsically fucked, they all are.
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NASA Keeps screwing up because it all depends on solar for the rovers thats why.
DUMB WAY:
US Gov spends Billions on these sorts of programs for a rover to go up for a few weeks. If any dust gets on the solar panels, after 90 days its get dark, recharge. A few nice pics...
SMART WAY:
Put a damn atomic battery on these things! You don't need to worry about dust on the solar cells, recharge issues, power down-up worries, constant juice. And..
The rovers could run for weeks, even years, plus
the power could be used to HEAT the electronics and prevent this -100F issue that craps it all out...
these engineers need to think out of the box and stop being politically correct.
Yeah, I mean when Kennedy called for landing a man on the moon we were getting one successful launch for every four or five attempts. But this Mars thing, us Americans are only getting two successes for every three attempts. Maybe we need to improve our success rate before going.
Does no one study history, America needs a challenge in order to rise up to it.
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They were just saying there are many sequences of events that could cause this. If it sensed the battery was overly discharged it will stop sending data & wait for a recharge. It could be as simple as this.
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I'm telling you I've been contacted by aliens. What if those 1's & 0's are martian encoded binary?. Any martian translators in the house?
Maybe the message is "please don't send us your junk we want Britney Spears"
Actually, there probably should be a refueling station in Earth orbit. Lunar fuel/oxydizer would make trips to the Moon much cheaper. Particularly if reusable Lunar lander-shuttles are active.
Launching directly from Earth to the Moon is quite difficult. That's why most people expected a trip to the Moon would be based from an Earth space station -- nobody expected the ridiculously powerful engines which allowed the Saturn V to exist. The huge Saturn V is what allowed us to toss all the mass necessary for a lunar expedition up to Earth orbit.
Or, more clearly, what do the operating routines look like? Does anyone have a flowchart that would show the data flow? What sort of error checking is done on incoming data? What sort of encryption is done on incoming/outgoing data? (Cartoon bubble: I picture a script kiddie with a powerful transmitter sending SQL injection to Spirit...)
What does the system do if it determines it has had an unexpected result/crash? How is such a system designed and tested?
I've never thought about it before - but a system like this must have redundant levels of i/o security, internal error checking, exception trapping, and some sort of self-repair, all built within multiply redundant systems.
Would any details of the embedded system architecture / program structure be available to the public?
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Maybe they've already discovered signs of life and are using the communications story as a cover up while they figure out how to best handle the news.
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Huh?
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also
NASA has experience with uploading new software (including os) to deployed spacecraft to correct defects.
- Part 1
- Part 2 (more detail)
There's a lot of rumor and inconclusive news about Spirit floating around right now, so this is entirely subjective, but I'm getting the feeling this, too, is a software fault of some kind. Put most simply, you could interpret what we're reading right now as "we received the ACK tone for our instructions but didn't get the data back we expected."These kinds of problems are not unprecedented, and furthermore I'm under the impression there are options for dealing with even serious OS-level trouble that would shock and awe the average general purpose computer user.
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But one of our first satellites (I worked for a very small satellite firm) had a debug terminal for informational messages it spat out as it ran. No, we never expected to receive a keypress on this terminal... but we did most of our testing with this terminal because if something went wrong, we'd want to be able to see the error messages.
When we tried to run the satellite without the terminal, the low level hardware CTS/DTR loopback wasn't present and the satellite hung when it tried to send its first character to the console. We caught that only a couple weeks before shipping the thing, too!
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It seems as if lots of us, country wise are having problems landing something on the surface of mars. No pathfinder, lost beagle 2, possibly another lost rover in the process... Is there something we're missing here that Mars is hiding from us? Satellites seem fine around the planet but as soon as something lands it dies.
Mars: "Pathfinder...check, beagle2...check, Spirit...in the process..."
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...to have an engineer on scene to fix it.
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The 4:00 EST update confirms that NASA did receive the test confirmation signal back from Spirit. At least a couple of it's legs are still kicking. :)
Why are the Martians assumed to be green when they live on a red planet?
Except that it's a hoax covering a MUCH bigger story than you anticipate. First, the rover lands. Than GeeDub announces a HUGE space program out of the blue. Now, we can't communicate with it. So, that means that it went up there, found something that we have to have/retrieve, and now they are cutting us off from the information stream. See how that works?