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Anti-Frostidigitation: Heatpipe Gloves

Hettinga writes "A little casemod couture this morning, courtesy of Hongbin Ma, a professor of Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering at the University of Missouri. He has developed heatpipe-driven gloves which pump therms from your toasty upper arm down to those aforementioned frosty digits. 'Each glove contains five small heat pipes, one for each finger, that are about 14 inches long and 1 mm x 2 mm in the cross section. Each pipe consists of three sections: an evaporating section, which is attached to the upper arm area; an adiabatic section, which is between the finger area and the arm area; and the condensing section, which is attached to the finger area.' Coming soon to a half-pipe near you..."

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  1. what about feet? by tsunamifirestorm · · Score: 2, Insightful

    is that his next project?

  2. Sounds good for low-circulation folks by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That sounds like an idea that could equally apply to those with lower circulation, not just those on the slopes / in the cold.

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  3. Re:Too bad... by CGP314 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Too bad nature decides to shut it off in the hands when it gets cold.

    I can't imagine that little bit of lost heat was the difference between life and death for anyone. But, the fact that we have evolved the feature suggests it was.

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  4. Hand warmers by nodwick · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Instead of just reshuffling your body heat around with high-tech gloves (and, presumably, making your fingers warmer at the expense of your arms), why not just pop in some of those 99 cent hand warmers you can get at places like Costco? We've used these everywhere from the ski slopes to watching the countdown on New Year's. They're cheap, disposable, and widely available.

  5. Re:Too bad... by hiryuu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There are those with poor circulation in the extremities whose bodies have some trouble warming hands and feet back up once they've gotten cold. Speaking as one of them, once my feet have gone cold, they stay that way for ages, even after getting into a warm (or even hot) envinronment, changing shoes/socks for warmer/dryer pairs, etc.

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  6. Keep your torso warm by me.at.work · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's actually better to keep your torso warm.
    The draining of blood and heat from your hands and feet happens when your core temperature starts dropping. This is done to protect the vital organs, heart, liver etc over the non-vital, hands, feet. If you can keep your core temperature normal you can actually work without gloves even below zero (celsius). This because the body is warm and needn't cut the heatloss from hands or feet.
    There was a good documentary on the Discovery channel about the very subject not long ago.
    So, while heatpumping gloves seem nice, I'd go with keeping my body warm and be rid of any gloves hindering my hands.

    Yeah, bring on the puns..

  7. Re:Too bad... by sugar+and+acid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is short circuiting nature, basically as we get cold extremities like the hands and fingers have the blood circulation restricted to conserve heat so our core body temp stays high. Fingers are far more robust in surviving cold than say our brains, they are also more expendable, and they also have a larger surface area to mass ratio so are costly to keep at body temperature anyway.

    What it really means is that the garment that this is in is less thermally efficient than the same garment without (you will lose heat faster). It maybe handy for delicate work were you need thin gloves and warm hands in a cold environment with the only other real option is an active heating system power by batteries.

  8. Warmest parts of the body by Trolling4Dollars · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wouldn't the genital region be more appropriate (albeit somewhat less convenient) for this sort of thing? It's designed to keep the "stuff of life" at a healthy 98F. Just have the heatpipe fitted into one's pants with one end nestled against the vital organs and the other woven into pants pockets. Imagine that... a whole new life for the phrase "pocket pool".

  9. Re:Too bad... by Uma+Thurman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    One of the leading reasons people come inside when it's cold out is because the pain from cold hands and feet gets very annoying.

    If our hands and feet remained nice and toasty, we would lose a little bit of heat, certainly. But, we'd also stay outside much longer than we would have otherwise, and that's the difference that could kill you. You'd slip into hypothermia muttering incoherently to yourself "at least my little piggies are nice and toasty."

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  10. What about mittens? by Aqua+OS+X · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well since they are polyester I imagine that they are only for walking around.

    These gloves should be made with gortex and should be marketed to people that work in the harsh cold and snow.

    Unless you actually need all 5 fingers, gloves are really kind'a dumb. Mittens (and yes, people make cool mittens now), are much much warmer then gloves since your fingers are lumped together. Anyone that's lived in cold weather, or is an avid snow rider will tell you that.

    These why spend money on expensive Nintendo Power Gloves when you could pick up a pair of trendy mittens for fraction of the price?

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  11. Re:Too bad... by pla · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can't imagine that little bit of lost heat was the difference between life and death for anyone

    Let's say you don't have the option of going somewhere warm (ie, inside to a nice toasty fire)... Which do you have a more critical (ie, life-preserving) need for - To keep using your large muscles (legs, upper arms), which serves both the purpose of generating heat and might eventually move you to somewhere warmer; or, manual dexterity, which would only really help if you needed to operate a book of matches (something that didn't exist for 99.99999% of human history)?

    Our bodies decrease blood flow to the extremities for precisely that reason. Additionally, assuming the worst, we can live without a few fingers or toes or even an earlobe; Sacrificing them to keep our core body temperature high enough seems like a viable tradeoff under extreme circumstances. The fact that we now have thinsulate and heat-packs and almost always a warm place to go nearby, so having our fingers nice and toasty seems more useful than preventing the small heat loss from them, had no effect on how we evolved.


    But, the fact that we have evolved the feature suggests it was.

    Although this may seem in direct contradiction to my point above, I mention it only for clarity... Not all inherited traits "evolved" in the natural-selection sense. One of the fundamental ideas behind evolution says that mutations occur essentially at random, and those that increase our odds of reproducing (which dying young does not) get passed on. However, those traits that have no effect whatsoever on our chances of reproducing can also get passed on, just by blind chance. For a trivial example, Alzheimer's disease - It doesn't affect people until they've passed their reproductive prime, so as debilitating as it seems in later life, it doesn't reduce its own chances of remaining in the population.

  12. Opera gloves? by huie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The interesting thing (to me) is the development of flexible heat pipes. I'm assuming that it uses tubes stuffed with something with great capillary action, maybe CoolMax fabric or something. Don't know if it really needs to be aligned all that well- would probably work better if it were, of course. Either that, or just extrude the tubes with a lot of fins inside for good capillary action. Further developments would be to fabricate a material/plastic with really fine vanes in it, sew it into a bladder shape and fill it with fluid (remembering to seal the seams- this is the GoreTex company that's also working on this). Either way, I'd be worried about fluid loss or bursting of the flexible heat pipes or the resivours at the ends.

    And can you imnagine seeing a snowboarder/skier/whoever with these opera-length gloves on? Either they'd need to get capri-style sleeves on their jackets or learn to put the gloves on before putting the jacket. I can just see the new 1/2 sleeve fashion now- and the convertible jackets with zip-off forearms.

    Never mind trying to take the gloves off to reach into a pocket or something. How many people here pull their gloves off with their teeth especially when reaching for something quickly? (especially since the other hand is probably already otherwise occupied) Try that with a glove that covers your forearm.

  13. Furthermore ... by Greedo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    These gloves work by shifting some of the heat from more core parts of your body to your extremities.

    So, your body notices the core temperature dropping and says "Crikey! Better shut off those extremities even more."

    So, aren't these gloves self defeating? And possibly dangerous because they will lower your core temp while simultaneously reducing the options your body has to naturally fight that drop.

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    1. Re:Furthermore ... by Cheeko · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think this is a problem of human evolution versus current technology. Currently a person can buy a coat to keep their core nice and toasty, but extremeties (hands, feet, ears) are much more sucessptible to the elements. In this case the device is pulling heat away from an area that is easily insulated, to heat an area that is difficult to insulate.

      Additionally this could be very handy for jobs that require people to be outdoors, yet use their hands. In the recent cold spell here in New England, I felt terrible for the toll collectors, construction workers, and police who could bundle up, but still couldn't wear heavy heavy gloves since they needed to use their hands. This technology would allow for a very light weight set of gloves that would allow mobility of the hands, while insulating the rest of the body as mush as needed.

    2. Re:Furthermore ... by Grym · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't agree with this. These tubes aren't THAT effective. They're not going to cause a difference in temperature in the core part of the body because of the large difference in size between one's hands and core areas.

      For example, imagine that your hands are really cold. Now imagine that to heat them up, you place them against the skin on your chest or rear. SURE, your hands will make the more core areas of your body cold, but not enough to signinficatly affect your core temperature. This is the same pricinciple behind the gloves. The only difference is, it automates the process.

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  14. Re:Too bad... by Surur · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not all evolution happened in homo sapiens. I would assume most of our autonomic system developed in the rodents from the Jurassic, and were slowly refined over the next 50 million years. I'm sure for an animal padding through snow or ice it was *very essential* not to lose heat through their feet. What has happened since has been mere fiddling at the edges. Good thing we are now getting ready to take charge of our own evolution (and hack out all the legacy code such as this )

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  15. Re:"Coming soon to a half-pipe near you..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Ever hear of snowboarding?

  16. Re:Too bad... by Stealth+Potato · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hey, don't forget that this is slashdot. If trimbach hadn't called that, I was about to. ;)