Slashdot Mirror


Darl & SCO Overview

HAL9OOO writes "I found an article that as well as giving a good overview of "SCO - The Story So Far" also provides an interesting insight into the character of a certain Mr Darl McBride Esq." It's a fairly lengthy article providing a lot of insight. Necessary reading to anyone new the SCO/Linux thing, and recommended to anyone who just wants some interesting details on SCOs position on the whole thing.

22 of 340 comments (clear)

  1. I've had enough by bsharitt · · Score: 4, Interesting

    At first I wanted IBM to bury SCO in court, but now I wish they would just buy hem out to get this over with.

    1. Re:I've had enough by Lord_Slepnir · · Score: 5, Interesting
      At first I wanted IBM to bury SCO in court, but now I wish they would just buy hem out to get this over with.

      Amen to that. Here's what I would do in IBM's position.

      1) Buy out SCO. Hostile style. Buy up enough of the stock to have them vote to merge under IBM.
      2) Fire the entire board of directors. A severance package of one pack of oreos and cab fare
      3) ??????
      4) Profit....or at least not losing money on this crap, which is the next best thing.

      The things SCO didn't realize is that while it is possible for a mouse to annoy an elephant, sooner or later the elephant will just stomp, and all the elephant will think of it will be "how do I get these mouse guts off of my foot"

    2. Re:I've had enough by arivanov · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Fire the entire board of directors. A severance package of one pack of oreos and cab fare

      No need for. Skip the severance package under a breach of contract clause. As the contract sure says something about "protecting the interests of the shareholders". And if the majority shareholder objects... Hm....

      --
      Baker's Law: Misery no longer loves company. Nowadays it insists on it
      http://www.sigsegv.cx/
    3. Re:I've had enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      No way, not after what SCO has done. No offense, but it's not like you reading these blurbs over the past few weeks is terribly catastrophic to your life.

      At first I didn't care, but now I want SCO to really get it. I don't want a quick death either, I want these people to be humiliated in the public just to show what happens to garbage like this. This latest statement about their recent discovery only proves they're running around trying to play some legal sham on everyone (was there any doubt?). They're drawing this whole thing out. At what cost? They're trying to milk other companies and I'm fully confident the turmoil they're causing is putting a few jobs on the line. This is unacceptable. It stinks.

      The only reason I don't want this stretched out too long is simply because someone in the Linux industry could lose a job over this ('we're moving to Win2k based on the concerns of the board and we need an expert there, here's your two weeks notice).

      I hope these other companies (IBM, Novell, etc etc) get together and collectively rain hellfire on SCO. These people absolutely deserve to lose and lose big.....stamp them into a red paste.

    4. Re:I've had enough by Pharmboy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      1) Buy out SCO. Hostile style. Buy up enough of the stock to have them vote to merge under IBM.
      2) Fire the entire board of directors. A severance package of one pack of oreos and cab fare
      3) ??????
      4) Profit....or at least not losing money on this crap, which is the next best thing.


      One of the articles (yea, some of us read them) actually pointed out a rather obvious 3) point, that is the goodwill generated if IBM were to GPL SCO's IP (god, more acronyms than the military).

      As a long time IBM fan, I could see this benefitting IBM in a way that generates profit. Since they really sell hardware and services, this could help to increase sales, partially because of the goodwill, and because they would be able to impliment any useful code gained somewhat faster. IBM has already gained alot of traction by investing 1 billion into Linux, which they claim they recovered in the first year. Adding a few hundred million to GPL UnixWare may be even more profitable, at a lower cost.

      --
      Tequila: It's not just for breakfast anymore!
    5. Re:I've had enough by Angst+Badger · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Buy out SCO. Hostile style. Buy up enough of the stock to have them vote to merge under IBM.

      They can't. 80% of SCO is owned by a single shareholder. Grabbing all of the SCO stock out on the open market wouldn't do diddly for IBM.

      From the other side of the equation, if you're that shareholder, what do you have to lose -- considering you've already lost your ethics and basic human decency -- by sticking to your guns? SCO is doomed in any event, but suing IBM gives them a distant chance at having a judge hand them a big chunk of change.

      SCO's move is very daring and audacious -- and stupid, morally bankrupt, and damaging to society as a whole, but I digress -- and the only real alternative to closing their doors sometime within the next 18 months.

      Unless something emerges to radically change the equation, I doubt either IBM or SCO will back down, and the question the rest of us must face is how to mitigate the damage from SCO's IP terrorism.

      --
      Proud member of the Weirdo-American community.
    6. Re:I've had enough by The_K4 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Um, that's probably what SCO has wanted this entire time. To get IBM to buy them and let everyone at SCO get even richer. If IBM does buy SCO it proves to the world that you can make money w/ a lawsuit against a big company weather you have grounds or not. If IBM does buy SCO out, it will open the floodgates that much further. I hope IBM and Novell and the Linux community in general stick to their guns and fight this crap. Don't left SCO win by just making them all rich!

  2. BSD code? by mikeee · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hrm... even if she's right and it's not some strange conincidence, is there old BSD code in Linux? That should be checkable.

    That should be free and clear copyright-wise, but System 5 could well have the same BSD code (quite possibly orignally stolen from BSD).

    1. Re:BSD code? by interiot · · Score: 5, Interesting

      ESR's paper on the SCO thing shows how the relationships between several unixes. Given the large amount of intermingling, it's not surprising at all to find common pieces of code in different versions of unix.

    2. Re:BSD code? by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 4, Interesting

      (quite possibly orignally stolen from BSD)

      How can you steal something that's given away for free?

      BSD was a fork of UNIX with the (TM). The BSD guys gave us insignificant things like Virtual Memory and vi. It's weird to think AT&T sued BSD when so much of UNIX heritage was invented in Bezerkely. "Hey, you there, stop using that thing you invented, cause you're giving it away for free and not allowing us to make money off your work."

      If anyone remembers the original ATT vs. BSD suit will remember the way that UCB/BSD got off was that UNIX with the (TM) had some BSD code that wasn't properly copyright attributed. Then Novell came in, bought up the UNIX mess and dropped the suit. For folks that bang on Novell, this would be the second time they came in as a white knight to help a freeware version of UNIX escape the evil clutches of lawsuits.

      The re-marriage of the BSD code came in SVR4, which brought in a bunch of code and BSD compatible utilities. /usr/ucb anyone?

    3. Re:BSD code? by ichimunki · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I prefer Cringeley's explanation that SCO/Caldera put the code there themselves.

      --
      I do not have a signature
  3. Look Up BSD LITE by linuxislandsucks · · Score: 2, Interesting

    BSD Lite code is allowed in Linux friedn under the terms of the previous case of System V..as that was the agreement to settle the case..

    --
    Don't Tread on OpenSource
  4. And they're still in business... how? by IchBinDasWalross · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "Filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission show that SCO posted hundreds of millions in losses from 1994 to 2002."

    Only a company like AOL could do that and stay in business.

    --
    Mod "Overrated" instead of replying "I disagree with you," you coward.
  5. Well, I think this repost is *good* by herrvinny · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Not to be a troll or anything, but this is a really concise article, with both points of view. Face it people, most articles to date have been clearly biased pro/anti SCO, yes, even Forbes, the various hobbyist sites (even my own, check my sig and SCO Report). I'm not saying that's bad or anything, but the non-nerdy don't want to dive into specific details, they want a clear, concise view of things, and this article provides it. Perhaps it's done by SCO's hometown paper, but it still seems to be balanced reporting.

    This is one repost I don't mind. If anyone asks you what this sco fiaSCO is about, you can direct them to this article.

  6. Re:Overblown. by SkArcher · · Score: 5, Interesting

    IIRC the possible problems with the BSD settlement were that if USL had pushed ahead, they may have eventually lost far more than the settlement actually cost them.

    --

    An infinite number of monkeys will eventually come up with the complete works of /.
  7. Re:Overblown. by CAlworth1 · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I am sure you meant nothing by it, but lets see about another word for lunatic-attacking-something-which-you-don't agree-with other than jihad. Had you used the Christian word for this, 'crusade,' people might think you were be calling it a good thing. . .

    What a world we are in when two words, meaning roughly the same, but for two different, closely linked languages, can imply two very different things.

  8. SCO the Bully by 110010001000 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My concern with all of this crap, is the fact that someone hasn't forced SCO to shut the hell up. It reminds me of the Bully in grade school. He would consistantly beat up on kids every day. Some even to the point of actual damage, and he was NEVER suspended. Never. Ever. I think that is what needs to be really focused on. Not so much as "When will all of this madness end?", but rather "How can we prevent this from ever getting this far, if history repeats itself?"

    Also, from the article: "[Darl]I've been pounding the table here for a year or so saying there's no free lunch, and there is going to be a day of reckoning for every company that thinks they are going to try and sell a free model."

    What is with this messianic attitude? Perhaps what Darl does not realize is that folks contribute to Linux and other open source projects through a variety of reasons. Notably, some contributions to open source have happened via tax-payer funded projects from a variety of nations throughout the world. Other contributions are made from the generous and charitable contributions of others who simply want to make a difference. Darl wants to exploit those contributions and leverage his band of merry lawyers to "liberate" Linux from the rest of us. Only his liberation is not for anything other than selfish desires (like any criminal who sees nothing wrong with theft) with no respect to the common good.

  9. Re:Overblown. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Darl has already stated that SCO believes there are unstated "problems" with the USL/BSD settlement.

    Provide a link.

    turn their guns on BSD.

    1) That would be a one-sided violation of the old settlement. Judges don't like that. The public part of the wording assures people/companies that the matter was 'done', so making such a move would allow anyone who is re-selling a BSD based product standing. Think about a DOS of SCO via the legal system with 1000's of people suing....would SCO really want that?
    2) SCO has stated in Answer 43 (or so) that BSD was not an issue WRT the Linux claims AND have offered a dollar reduction in Linux licenses if you moved to BSD.

  10. More than a bully by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "How can we prevent this from ever getting this far, if history repeats itself?"

    In a lot of respects, SCO's behavior is a lot like that of James Taggert in Atlas Shrugged - especially when James got involved behind the scenes in attempting to profit from Francisco d'Anconia's Mexican mine venture.

    (For those who aren't familiar with the work, the book was author Ayn Rand's "comprehensive" embodiement of her objectivism philosophy into a novel form. While objectivism has its issues and is certainly incomplete in many areas, it provides a contract philosophy basis that is probably best represented by the emergence of the open source world. In a nutshell, the only legitimate way for two people to interact is on the basis of trade, where each is receiving what they perceive as a legitimate and appropriate value for the trade. Coercion, extortation, theft (taking without a consensual trade), intimidation, etc. are all inappropriate forms).

    This behavior is trivialized by calling it "bullying" (though the previous poster's intent was dead on). Recognized for what it is, Darl's behavior is profound parasitism, and all parasitism (which steals life from its host) is nothing more than a polite form of murder.

    So what if Darl steals Linux, taking the livelihood away from thousands of rightful creators? So what if they go unemployed, unable to work on their creation without Darl's consent? So what if they lose that health insurance policy and cannot afford the prescription their children need? So what if they die?

    Out of the tens of thousands of Linux-involved persons, the probability of death being caused by the success of Darl's quest is certain. Even the fear he has induced into the Linux world has had an effect - halting a Linux project here or there and causing honest people to remain unemployed.

    No, the best clue to understanding Darl is this quote from the article:

    "And SCO executives have even taken to traveling with bodyguards, a necessary measure, they say, given numerous death threats."

    Most certainly "perceived numerous death threats." The funniest thing about the James Taggerts of the world is that as righteous as they may sound at times (as they pursue their nihlistic path), deep down they know they're nothing more than a worthless being that preys upon others. They recognize that eventually they will encounter a host that refuses to be consumed, and this paranoia manifests visibly in the hiring of bodyguards, personal security, defamation lawsuits, etc.

    The solution? A GPL with teeth, backed by an open source community that aggressively funds their own legal defense foundation in order to firmly deal with predators and parasites like Darl.

  11. It takes more than one court. by Martigan80 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It does, so does SCO have enough money to carry this out? I mean how long and how many appeals did the first Anti-Trust for MS take? Besides SCO vapor-evidance is still the big thing right now. I wish the media would tell Mr. Mc to STFU untill you produce the evidance on your own.

    --
    This SIG pulled due to lack of funding. (This damn war is costing too much!)
  12. Best Quote of the Story by jmt9581 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Straight from the article:

    For months, SCO has encouraged users to take advantage of the promotional price, but there haven't been many takers.

    "We haven't published the exact number yet," McBride said. "It's not in the dozens, but it's, you know, we've had some that have started to sign up."


    This makes it sound like absolutely nobody has taken SCO up on their offer. Is there anyone here on Slashdot that will admit to it? :)

    --

    My blog

  13. Any? One? Some? by handy_vandal · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "We haven't published the exact number yet," McBride said. "It's not in the dozens, but it's, you know, we've had some that have started to sign up."
    is that supposed to make sense?
    Does one count as any?


    Yes: "one" does couny as "any". Also, "some" counts as "any" -- although "some" is more that "one".

    The part about "We haven't published the exact number yet" is particularly annoying. Surely McBride knows the exact number. And the word "yet" is supposed to clue us that SCO will publish the exact number. But I'm left with the impression that the exact number is an embarrassment to SCO. Indeed, the whole business of SCO litigation smells of embarrassment. I'm glad I'm not those guys -- humiliating myself in public for the sake of money.

    -kgj

    --
    -kgj