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Trying Your Hand at Level Design?

Utawoutau asks: "As a student nearing graduation with high interest yet no game industry experience I have been taking a serious look at the position of Level Designer. In order to apply for such a position of course, I would need an impressive portfolio. I am aware that a number of games, Neverwinter Nights for example, come packaged with level development tools and that a number of other games have tools (official or not) that are readily available on the Internet. I am interested in hearing opinions from others that have experimented with the level design tools for a number of games as to what they found the easiest, the most fun, the most in depth, and the most impressive to work with. In particular, I am interested in a game whose tools strike a good balance between all four of the above criteria."

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  1. Valve Hammer Editor by plams · · Score: 5, Informative

    That's the Half-Life editor. It's been tried and tested. Lots of tutorials to be found on the net. Easy to use and learn.

    However, being an excellent architect is never easy:)

    1. Re:Valve Hammer Editor by pocketfullofshells · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'd have to agree.

      To enlighten you further, Valve Hammer Editor a.k.a. Worldcraft is very versatile, and like plams said its backed up a thousand times over, with places like the Valve-ERC Collective. It's a very excellent Valve mapping/editing resource.

      The latest version of the Valve Hammer Editor is 3.4 and can be found here.

  2. Few reccomendations by Qubed · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'd try bouncing a couple of levels off the fan community first. As far as games to develop go, I'd develop primarily for FPSs, and maybe a few strategy/adventure games. I don't play many of the latter, so here are the FPSs: Q3 and anything that uses it's engine (i.e. has Radiant editing tools) -- very easy to use, allows for lots of creativity. (Other Q3 engine games: JK2, RC Wolfenstein, Call of Duty?) The unreal games also have a nice bundled set of editing tools that would aid your portfolio. Best of luck!

  3. as to what they found the easiest by va3atc · · Score: 5, Informative

    as to what they found the easiest

    The Cube Engine allows you to edit maps right in the game on the fly. There is also a cooperative edit mode, try and beat that :)

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    1. Re:as to what they found the easiest by irokitt · · Score: 4, Informative

      The upcoming (soon?) DOOM3 engine has in-game editors incorporated into the engine. Once it hits, I would expect that it would have all the success of the other Id engines, like the Quake engines.

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    2. Re:as to what they found the easiest by Daath · · Score: 3, Informative

      One game I am buying as soon as it's released, is Far Cry, they're using CryTek's CryEngine, which also has a realtime in-game-editor.
      If you haven't already tried far cry (single player demo), I suggest you read Boomtown's review, and download it - no time to waste! Hurry! :)

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  4. Re: UED... 50% match by MachDelta · · Score: 3, Informative

    UED (Unreal Ed) is only really meets two of his "criteria".

    In depth? Extremely.
    Impressive? Well, maybe Intimidating is a more appropriate word, but sure.
    Fun? Depends on how much of a sadist you are. It can be fun, but it can also be a lot of friggin work.
    Easy? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAHAAAaaaaaaaahhhh... good one!

    Ok seriously now though. UED is a pretty damned fine level editor if I may say so. Powerful as all hell, but its not exactly idiot proof. Its not impossible either. I managed to learn the ins and outs of UED (and to a lesser extent, the Unreal engine) just by reading tutorials, dissecting other peoples maps, and screwwing around... but it took a while. Months really. Even after three years of occasionally booting up UED, i'm still learning new things. Though to be fair, a lot of it is stuff that changed from UT99 to UT03 (haven't had the urge to map as much for the new game :( ).
    But hey, if people really want to learn, there isn't much stopping them. Most people just dive right in. You'll probably be frustrated and attempt to quit (repeatedly ;)), but eventually some of it starts to stick. Maybe one day you'll even be half decent, if you keep at it. Funny how a lot of things in life work that way, no? :)

  5. You should read one of Chris Crawford's books by 1iar_parad0x · · Score: 5, Informative

    First, read anything and everything by Chris Crawford. I hate most new media theorists, but he's an exception. He's a physicist by education and programmer/game designer by experience. I'd especially take a look at "Chris Crawford on Game Design".

    You should also take a look at some of his old game design articles in Next Gen magazine. He had one article on level design in Doom that was quite unique.

    Secondly, from a tricks/tools perspective, gamedev.net or xgames3d.com are your best bet.

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  6. Chris Crawford - useful links by joelparker · · Score: 4, Informative
    Definitely see Chris Crawford's website
    and "The Art of Computer Game Design" here
    and the related Game Design Wiki

    Good luck! -Joel

  7. Level Editors... by nekoes · · Score: 5, Informative

    Where to start...

    Well, I guess the easiest, most obvious level editing suite out there (in the realm of FPS games anyway) is Valve's Hammer. It's quite scary just how easy it is to make levels with that util. Upon starting it I was able to figure out pretty much all of the basic features just by looking at the buttons. That's quite an accomplishment, if you ask me. The whole way the editor is layed out, and the process you use to design a level in the editor are both painless and relatively easy. If you're looking for a place to start, and games like TFC, CS, and NS are your forte, might as well start here. I think the only problems you may run into are in the setup options, and true to its oldschool roots, getting down and compiling a map, then tweaking that, can get pretty gritty.

    The only other editor I've logged any sort of time on was the unrealed that shipped with UT2003. I missed the whole UT generation, so I can't vouch for the older unrealed, I'd assume it's basically the same. However, after coming from Hammer, learning unrealed is a real pain. The interface is kind of counter-intuitive and the whole logic behind building levels is completely the opposite. It's quite weird. Once you get into the unreal mindset though, creating a level isn't hard at all, it's just that initial hill that you need to climb over. Well that, and unrealed is insanely buggy. I cannot tell you how many times I've lost work due to unexpected quits or fatal errors that seem to make no sense. I guess as it is with every program, save early and save often. This is the editor I eventually found most technically impressive. After learning something new about the editor, or pouring after technical docs and taking a stab at it myself, I am still wowed when I get a new effect (be it graphical or gameplay) working.

    Now note I have not logged any significant hours with these editors (read: I have not produced any well known or well thought of maps) as to know the individual quirks and the nuances of each editor. However I can offer the complete newbie's look into it, which I guess is better than nothing. If anything, I say that the Half-Life community has more tutorials and help geared toward my audience than the unreal community, as finding good and easily digestible information is hard. Epic seems to be trying to remedy this with their opening of Unreal Uni, or whatever it is they are doing, which offers video tutorials and forums for developers. (A good thing, but I'm fearing the mod potential is going to waste in these days counting closer to HL2, with potential developers looking for the next big thing rather than weighing the assets of what's out there- which is hard to do for something not quite released)

    As for most things tech, I guess slogging through it and exploring is probably the best way to learn either of these.

    I guess on the RTS front, nothing is easier than Blizzard's warcraft 3 map editor. The thing is incredibly simple to use, though not quite as intuitive to the newbie's eye as hammer. I was able to get up and building levels (after finding I was unable to figure the tools out myself I went to the documentation) in about 10 minutes after reading the rather friendly documentation that comes with the toolset. I guess the thing is that the tools take 10 seconds to learn, but to master them and build a balanced and fun map, will probably take you a life time. (not to mention a keen understanding of the game.) The tools are fun to use, and going from the editor to a game to a multiplayer match you're testing with friends is quite easy and gratifying.

    Neverwinter Nights, I found, was rather easy. Scripting seemed to get kind of nightmarish quick, but I quickly lost interest with building with those grossly simplified tools. I guess the real challenge was figuring out a way to make and import your own tilesets, but in the beginning when I had just spent 50 and tax on the game, it was a disappointment for it to have such poor mod support right off the bat.

    I have heard good th

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  8. Game Editors by CFBMoo1 · · Score: 3, Informative

    THe most experience I'd have with game editors is the Aurora Toolset for NWN. I think it's one of the more flexable yet easy to use game editors out there.

    Back around Feb 2003 I started an online module called Mandrake that went well over 90+ areas when I decided to move on. I had a good base of players too, not near as much as some places but a good base. Since then I've worked on about 4 other module designs of my own including an arena one for the PVP section.

    I'd say the scripting language and the flexability to created hundreds of possible paths for a module are it's greatest power over all the other editors out there. It's also relativly easy to use, the only thing is you don't get a nice print bound manual for the scripting though the script editor in there has a nice help reference side bar. It's also really nice to be able to script in counter measures for cheaters.

    I'm not sure I'd ever want to do this professionally though. Seems it would make a better hobby then a job but thats my opinion.

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  9. well.... by Marsala · · Score: 5, Informative

    Speaking as a player, I'd encourage you to seek out any competitive communities built around the game(s) you're interested in designing for. While Neverwinter Nights is a cool enough game, I'd also reccomend you check out getting some experience with the "Quake-related" FPS games.

    One of the tools that's used to create maps for several game is Radiant (supported on both Linux and Windows) and supports a bunch of games. Mappers familiar with Quake3 were able to transfer that knowledge to RtCW when it came out, and in turn that was transferrable to ET. Plugins for other games (Half Life, Soldier of Fortune, and some others I'm blanking on) is also available.

    Couple that with experience working with 3DSmax (or gmax if you're on a budget) creating models, and you should be good to go.

    If you're also looking for ideas on what to make maps of, I'd suggest trolling around and seeing if you can find a competitive community for the games you're interested in designing for. Stuff like Half-Life and its mods (most notably Counter Strike), Quake3/RtCW/ET, and the MOHAA/CoD stuff are going to be hot ticket items right now. Organizations like The Team Warfare League or the Cyber Athlete League might be worth a look to get an idea of how people are using the games and what kind of maps and what features they'd benefit from.

    Looking to the future, everyone's pointing at stuff like Doom3 and Half-Life2 (obviously). But it might be worth taking a look at games like Far Cry and Painkiller as possible sleeper hits coming up on the horizon.

    Good luck in your efforts. :)

  10. Game Design Books by rjjm · · Score: 3, Informative

    In case no one's mentioned them, I really enjoyed Mark Saltzman's Game Design: Secrets of the Sages. May be a bit dated (1999), but good reading on the genre. I understand he had a new one out in 2003 called Masters of the Game - don't know what it's like though.

  11. Re: UED... 50% match by EvilXenu · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you are serious about learning how to use UnrealED, take a look at what 3dbuzz.com has to offer: free video training modules (VTMs) on how to use the thing. Some of the modules are pretty hefty -- weighing in at 100+MB on some lessons. These can be found here.

    On a somewhat related note, if you pre-order the special edition of UT2K4 you'll get the VTMs on a DVD.

  12. Re:I'm not a game programmer by PainKilleR-CE · · Score: 3, Informative

    CAD work is all about distances and areas. It will help you adjust to the tools somewhat, but Level design is all about the feel and exact measurements don't matter too much. Nobody cares if your door is 6'8" or 7' really. You can stretch the texture to fit in a way that you just can't stretch a door.

    You're right to a degree, but even CAD work can have elements of design to it that aren't just about measuring the space. Games tend to deal in units equivalent to the height of the standard player character (or half the height in the cases I've experienced), so instead of working in feet or inches you're working mostly in ~3' units. Still, if your door is only 3' tall, your players are going to have to duck to get through it, and you'd better hope that you planned for that in the dynamics of the level.

    Yes, there are more considerations in level design, such as game balance, the level of detail and number of polygons in an area (you can use more detail and polygons in a single-player level than in multiplayer, for instance, because you can better control how much is on the screen at one time in single player), the pace that people go through an area, and so on.

    In CAD your considerations are function first, implementing a design that satisfies your customer. These things can move over to level design perfectly well, and if you can use AutoCAD, for instance, you can probably find your way through almost any level design software. You won't necessarily be a good level designer just because you can design a warehouse or office space in a CAD program, but it doesn't hurt if you can design a level in AutoCAD and use the available converters to port it into most available games (I just double-checked because it's been quite a while before I messed with a level editor, but there are tools available for Quake, Half-Life, and Unreal (multiple versions of Quake and Unreal) to convert AutoCAD drawings into formats native to their respective map editing tools). Still, any developer looking for level designers is going to be looking for people with at least some familiarity with their tools, so the bulk of the work you show them should be in their tools. The rest just doesn't hurt if your designs are good.

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