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Microsoft Holds Off on Eolas Patent Changes

Walkiry writes "As reported by Reuters, Microsoft believes the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office might come to the rescue and cancel the patent that was going to force them into changing the behaviour of Internet Explorer. Maybe the Patent Office is finally getting a clue? Or is it Microsoft's long arm? Time will tell..."

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  1. Regardless of Whether You Hate Microsoft... by tealover · · Score: 5, Insightful

    the cancellation of this patent would be a good thing. We can't have these tiny little extornist companies putting a stranglehold on technology and commerce.

    Whatever Microsoft is guilty of, I don't recall it using patent violations as a tactic. They have created a lot of wealth for a lot of people. I can't say the same for the patent holders in this case.

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    1. Re:Regardless of Whether You Hate Microsoft... by WhiteWolf666 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Your obviously not familar with the Eolas case.

      Microsoft knew full well that they were going to be sued regarding this patent.

      The professor (the sole employee of Eolas) in this situation was working with Microsoft to develop a 'plugin' archietecture for IE. Part of this work became ActiveX.

      The man in question was unable to negotiate a deal with Microsoft. They felt that his demands were too large.

      So they blew him off, like many other companies that they have cooperated with in the past.

      Unfortunately for them, he had been awarded a patent for his research.

      Now he has a bone to pick with Microsoft. I'm not sure where I filed the link (I'm at work, and I do most of my /.ing at home), but Eolas has no intention of going after anyone BUT Microsoft.

      And Eolas has no intention of licensing the patent to Microsoft, at ANY price---

      He specifically stated that he would like to see the Mozilla project+Netscape+Others have a 'leg up' on Microsoft.

      Anyways, just my 2 cents.

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  2. Re:Patents the problem by Titusdot+Groan · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Well if the patent office followed their own rules about not being "obvious to an ordinary practioner of the art" and about "being new and original" I'm not sure there WOULD be a problem with patents.

    The number of patents that are being granted that are obvious solutions to a problem (eg. 1 click patent) or not original (eg. this one) is staggering.

  3. reminiscing by NoGuffCheck · · Score: 5, Funny

    just reminiscing of a time when British Telecom tried to patent the hyperlink... 10 points for ambition though!

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  4. .....but whose Intellectual Property IS it? by mhazen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Having worked with intellectual property matters in the technology arena (both patent and trademark), the staggering antiquity of our concepts in protecting the fruits of one's intellectual labors is, well, staggering.

    Patents are broken down into small "claims", and a patent can easily have hundreds of these, if not thousands. Even the most ridiculously simple idea gets divided into minute, easily digestible sections. One such section I remember was included to explain the concept of a ZIP code, and how the company filing the patent was NOT the arbiter or owner of that concept, but was using it as a reference within their work, and that this was not a determining factor in their technology (they could have easily used another large-scale locational identifier, such as area code). Hence, their patent could be defensible when someone claimed in court that it was based on technology they had no claaim to ownership of.

    But worse, the point of the average patent is not to delineate what it is, but what it's not. If your patent includes as part of its concepts anything which you did not personally conceive of, and which you have not attributed to their original creators, That claim becomes indefensible. Toss out one claim, and the whole patent is invalid. It's a house of cards, and that's how patent attorneys litigate patent cases.

    When push comes to shove, Amazon knew exactly what they were doing (certainly, their lawyers did) when they patented "one click", and they did it because a patent is precisely designed to allow the applicant to carve out as massive of a piece of intellectual pie as the patent office deems acceptable. Eolas is doing the same, in a different light, it would appear.

    If you can state a case, without prior art being an issue, for patenting Earth, feel free. The rest of us will either have to move, or beat you up you and steal your planet. :)

    In cases like this, where someone else comes up with a basic idea, manages to patent it, then extends their idea to encompass the known universe, perhaps the whole issue of reexamining the validity of the original patent should be considered. It would certainly cut back on the "I invented soil, it's mentioned in my patent" suits.

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  5. microsoft has a trademark on "win" by joostje · · Score: 5, Funny

    The word "win" obviously is too close to the trademarked "windows", owned by Microsoft, so no-one else is allowed to do it. They had to win.

  6. Thanks to Tim Berners-Lee by hconnellan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I would hope to think that Tim Berners-Lee was more significant than Microsoft in fighting this.

    After all, if he said it was prior art, then it was prior art.

  7. Wake up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Is everyone on /. so brainwashed by the anti-patent groupthink here that you can't recognize the real message in this announcement? What this announcement tells us is that Microsoft has been either forced by their customers to keep the infringing technology in Windows or they've concluded that their proposed IE patch actually doesn't avoid infringement. Microsoft's statements concerning the "legal status" are merely spin to redirect attention away from their failure and towards a questionable action by the (recently-resigned) Patent Commissioner.

    The circumstances surrounding the Patent Office's reexam are quite fishy. Commissioner Rogan granted the reexam the day after it was requested by Sir Tim. The judge in the case comments on this in his recent ruling:

    "One possible reason to believe that the reexamination would not take long is that, according to the Deputy Commissioner for Patent Examination policy, the reexamination was triggered by a ?substantial outcry? from the Internet community. The most prominent among the creators of the Web, Sir Timothy Berners- Lee, expressed the view that the PTO had missed clear prior art. Judging from the record before me, it is safe to say that some of the outcry arises from the view of a significant portion of Web experts, including Berners-Lee, that royalties ought not to be paid patented Web innovations. This contingent believes instead that Web invention is for the good of humanity and not the inventor. If this is the true reason for the reexamination, then I doubt the reexamination will take very long."

    When the judge refers to "the record before me" he is talking about the facts that the two references that Berners Lee cited to the PTO were both exhibits at the trial and that Dave Raggett, the author of those two references, actually testified at the trial. Raggett's testimony showed that he hadn't even considered "interactive processing" in what he proposed in 1993. For this and other technical insufficiencies, Microsoft chose to drop the Raggett references from the case. The fact that those two references are the best that Berners Lee could come up with doesn't bode well for Microsoft's chances.

    The other often-cited "prior art" is the Viola software which Pei Wei claimed anticipated the Eolas invention. The fact is that Wei was asked to demonstrate that software during the trial, and in the process was confronted with the fact that it never actually worked the way he's always claimed it did. Microsoft got caught tring to rig the demo so as to hide this fact. This article gives a colorful description of Wei's failed attempt being exposed on the witness stand.

    It's funny how these facts never seem to make it into the Microsoft-controlled press.