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Google Cancels Spring IPO

securitas writes "Google fans and potential investors will be disappointed to learn that they must wait a while longer before they can own a piece of Google. The Times of London's James Doran reports that Google's IPO plans are on hold. CEO Eric Schmidt appears to think that market conditions are not right. When pressed for details about the delayed IPO, Schmidt said, "An IPO is not on my agenda right now." A commentary about the delayed Google IPO follows. Mirror at Australian IT."

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  1. ugh by Tirel · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Analysts estimate, however, that Google's annual revenue is between $500 million and $1 billion, with profits between $150 million and $300 million.

    Wow, where do they get that kind of money? Surely not the ads..

    1. Re:ugh by ceejayoz · · Score: 4, Informative

      Deals with Yahoo, AOL, and other big sites... sales of their standalone intranet search servers... and I'd imagine they're doing well on the ads, too.

    2. Re:ugh by akedia · · Score: 4, Informative

      Any website you see with a search function that says "Powered by Google" under it, means that site is most likely paying Google a fee to use that, and make sure their site is indexed. Two I know for sure are AOL and MSN for their ISP software, they license their search functions from Google.

    3. Re:ugh by Greyfox · · Score: 4, Insightful

      More to the point, with numbers like that why do they even need an IPO? Why bother whoring yourself out to Wall Street when you can already afford to fill your swimming pool with cash?

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    4. Re:ugh by wo1verin3 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yahoo may however be leaving google..

      http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/01/15/10738 77971434.html

      Meanwhile, there are reports that Yahoo! and Microsoft are preparing next-generation search technologies to beat Google, the world's most popular search engine. Microsoft, according to one report, is working on a "Google killer" and analysing the Web with its own internet spider, a piece of software critical to building search engines.

    5. Re:ugh by glinden · · Score: 4, Informative
      • Surely not the ads.
      Why not the ads? A simple back-of-the-envelope calculation shows it's at least plausible.

      250M searches/day * 3 ads/search * 1-2% clickthrough/ad * 365 days/year * $.10/clickthrough = $274M-$548M/year.

      The 250M searches/day may be low since it's from Feb 2003. It also doesn't include Google's Adsense program, putting Google ads out on other sites, which probably doubles the amount of page views.

      Google has unusually high clickthrough rates and payments per click because of their AdWords targeted advertising. Ads are matched to keywords and then optimized, with the most effective ads showing more and least effective dropping away.

      Certainly enterprise revenue (licensing the Google search engine for use on other sites) is part of their revenue, but I suspect the majority is from advertising.
    6. Re:ugh by dubiousmike · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ok, I'll bite at the parent comment that I can't believe is modded up insightful.

      Companies can either grow or stagnate. If Microsoft didn't venture into new areas, other companies would. Microsoft is interested in capitalizing in every area they can and they owe it to their stock holders to do so (I am not one and am not generally a Microsoft fan).

      But to play devils advocate....
      Remember when Apple concentrated on making computers and allowed others to make hardware that was compatable with their OS? Now they sell MP3 players, sell music online, drive businesses who made major software for their platform away by building competing products (Adobe and FCP), force all of us to use their hardware, ect...

      To paraphrase your comment, "Can't they (Apple) be satisfied just making umpteen...dollars in profit a year on their operating system...and leave the rest of the industry to try to eek out a profit on the crumbs leftover?

      Of course not, that would be silly and shortsighted, just like your comment...

  2. Oh Darn... by DarkHelmet · · Score: 4, Funny

    Instead of getting my free advertising stock benefit with google, I think I'll just buy some more Krispy Kreme and get another free box of doughnuts.

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  3. Not terribly surprised by wawannem · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I mean, before the .com boom, companies usually only went public because they needed money to grow. Google seems to sustain a very healthy bottom-line and I think they have yet to figure out what they want to grow into.

    1. Re:Not terribly surprised by goatasaur · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Until of course they go ahead with the IPO, become so top-heavy and ad-driven in a couple years that they topple over.

      Enjoy it while it lasts.

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  4. Bravo Google by Cr3d3nd0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Frankly I'm all for them never releasing an IPO. Sure it brings in extra cash in the short term but in the long term, your buisness focus shifts from your product and customers to the whims of your shareholders. One of the primary reasons people use google that I've seen isn't the qualit of searches, it's the lack of abusive adds, and genereal "customer friendly" enviroment that google provides. So the longer they put off selling stock the longer they don't have shareholders breathing down their necks for better profit margins.

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    1. Re:Bravo Google by sphealey · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Frankly I'm all for them never releasing an IPO. Sure it brings in extra cash in the short term but in the long term, your buisness focus shifts from your product and customers to the whims of your shareholders.
      Problem is that without a public offering it is very difficult to reward the worker bees who created the company by working 20-hour days for the first x years. You can only distribute closely-held shares up to a point, as Microsoft found.

      sPh

    2. Re:Bravo Google by 1000101 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      "Sure it brings in extra cash in the short term but in the long term, your buisness focus shifts from your product and customers to the whims of your shareholders."

      You make it sound like every company that is traded publicly doesn't produce good products. I am a shareholder of a number of different companies and the only thing I care about is that they keep producing quality products so customers continue to buy them. Companies that fit your description typically don't last.

  5. Google didn't "cancel" anything... by bc90021 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...and their IPO has been a lot of speculation from the start, and wasn't ever "official".

    While there have been some hints, it has largely been hype that is responsible for people thinking that Google would have an IPO.

    Furthermore, it seems that it would be a smart move for Google to capitalise on this, and have their CEO say that an IPO wasn't even on his agenda. That would make people want it all the more, so it's a smart move that they've done that! Using the hype to their advantage without committing to anything... very shrewd.

  6. Good by wizarddc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I find this good news. The longer that Google's technology interests are held in private hands, rather than the public interest of their stock price, I think the world is a better place. I'll be crying when I see GUGL -1 3/4 running across the bottom of my TV screen.

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  7. Why would I be disappointed? by andih8u · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Look what happened to Yahoo when they went public. An IPO is not a good thing. Letting a bunch of Wall Street financial people have a say in what to do with your tech company is just a bad idea.

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  8. hmmmm by graveyardduckx · · Score: 4, Funny

    well if google hasn't gone public yet, can I invest in booble?

  9. "Market conditions are not right?" by StyleChief · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wonder what exactly the "right" conditions might be? The market seems to be picking up, so does someone have insight into what we should be waiting for? Someone out there must have their finger on the pulse of good information . . . .

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  10. This is good news by Tassach · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Going public is very often the worst mistake a company can make. Knowledgable private investors are very often more forward-thinking and tuned in to long-term performance, whereas stock market investors are very fickle and often don't look any further forward than the next quarterly earnings statement.

    I'm not interested in Google as an investment opportunity; I just want a search engine that doesn't suck. Staying private lets Google concentrate on what they're good at -- making good tools -- and not worry about having Wall Street yahoos questioning every decision they make and penalizing them for long-term strategy over short-term profit.

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  11. Is it the right thing? by Pedrito · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Going public is a major change for a company and while it can bring in a great deal of cash to work with, it also creates a new layer of accountability as well as more strict and public operations. It's not always in a company's best interest to go public and I question if it's in Google's best interest.

    From everything I've seen of google, financials don't appear to be their weakness (though maybe it is and it's just not visible). So what do they need the cash for? Sure, the directors will make tons of money from doing it, but is it in the best interest of the company? Do they have acquisitions they want/need to make?

    Frankly, Google has done quite well as a private company and I have some concerns about what may happen if they go public. As an example, there are some people that claim Google has unfairly ranked them and have sued. Google is, in many ways, a monopoly in the search business. Were they to go public, these kinds of suits might get further in court as Google would likely be under more scrutiny regarding this. I think Google does a good job of modifying page ranks of people trying to trick the system. I'd hate to see them lose that ability.

    There are other areas as well where Google being privately held is an advantage. I could certianly be wrong about some of this. I'm not a corporate attorney nor an accountant, but this is my interpretation.

  12. Conditions really aren't right by mcc · · Score: 5, Interesting
    • Microsoft has been making constant noises about their new, upcoming search engine and how great it's going to be, basically doing the full-tilt vaporware thing, almost certainly with the purpose of adding uncertainty to Google's IPO. Microsoft would do something like release, with a huge media blitz, their new search product the day before Google's IPO. Waiting either pushes MS to actually release their product or allows Google, on the not wholly unrealistic possibility that MS drops the subject and then suddenly starts making noises again when Google reschedules their IPO, to accuse MS-Search of being vaporware.
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    • SCO is being the computer industry loose cannon, until the money from their donation from Microsoft (and, hypothetically, Sun) runs out; they are under no obligation to do anything at all to make more money; and they seem to be desperately, greedily obsessed with doing exactly two things: Hurting linux in any way, public relations or otherwise, and getting press attention. They've been making noises about suing Google; this is probably because making such noises keeps them in the press and because they know Google's about to IPO so they want to push Google to pay SCO some money so they'll go away and stop making uncertainty. However, it's not inconcievable they may well actually sue Google; their case with IBM may be about to unravel, and if so they need to start up a new lawsuit of some sort to keep up the illusion they have some sort of revenue model; and doing so on a nearly-IPOing Google would greatly help MS, which, how shall I put this, SCO at least seems to feel grateful toward, what with the fact their only documented profit ever happened solely because if MS's donation. SCO's a minor consideration, but still delaying IPO at least gives them time to die or deflates their lawsuit threats.
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    • The economy is changing, and since the president may well change or nearly change in about six months it may be set to change a lot more in a very unpredictable and drastic way. This is a big deal. IPOs are of much less good if the economy changes drastically shortly afterward. (Can you say "Andover"?)
    I'm sure you can think of more reasons if you think about it.
  13. SCO related? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wonder has this anything to do with the rumours recently about SCO targetting Google?

    In the midst of an IPO, impending court action would cause the price of stock to plummet. I'm guessing Google are holding out until this whole SCO debacle has been laid to rest.

  14. Here's the deal by peterdaly · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People are asking why Google wants/needs to go public.

    Here's the deal...private Google stock is held by too many people. They are at the threshold of legally be required to make their books public, and for all intentensive purposes acting like a publically held company.

    As long as they will be required to act like a public company, there is a large financial incentive for them to take the next step and trade publically.

    Whether they need the money or not...it is knocking on their door (both corp. and personally) asking to be taken. This knocking is (or maybe was) too hard for them to resist.

    -Pete

  15. Altavista as an example by Tarwn · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Before I knew about Google I was using Altavista. In the beginning they had a simple search interface, similar to how google is setup now. Basically it got the job done. After a while they started to get more widely known and started adding ad's to the front page and basically changing their mode of operation. People switched to google.
    I see the same possibility occurring. If google goes down the same trampled path that Altavista went, then a lot of people will be moving on to find another search engine with a clean interface that simply does the job.

    Google: Thats what we want. When we go to a search engine we want to search. We don't want links to buy garden tools when we are searching for benchmarks, or links to tech consultants when we are searching for a definition for an error message. Just a search. It's not broken the way it is.

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  16. Re:Good thinking, Google by tackaberry · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's not quite as simple as that. First off, the IPO would only be for a portion of the shares now held in private. So Google insiders would still hold significant control. Second, there are disclosure rules pertaining to buying up shares. The SEC requires shareholders to file statements once they cross thresholds in ownership. Third, Google could implore a number of various defences against any "take-over", including a share rights agreement (aka poisin pill), staggered terms for directors, etc. For one company to buy out another, it either has to be a friendly deal between the parties, or hostile - offers shareholders $$$ to tender their shares to the acquiring entity.

    The reason for IPO-ing is either 1) to raise capital for growth, expansion, etc. - Google seems to be doing fairly well so far, and money is still cheap enough that they could tap the debt markets or private placements before going public, or 2) (which is likely more the reason), to provide liquidity for the current shareholders - the currently management team is sitting on millions of dollars, but they don't have any easy means to convert their ownership position into cash.

    By having a public float, Google would have to disclose their financial information (as well as other stuff). With all that is happening, increased competition, maybe they take a wait and see approach, especially if they aren't in dire needs for cash.

  17. Re:Gov't regulation that's why by RazzleFrog · · Score: 5, Informative

    Perhaps this will help:

    A private company must report its finances once it has more than 500 common shareholders--or stock-option holders--and $10 million in assets, according to section XII(g) of the Securities and Exchange Act of 1934. That means a private company must file quarterly forms with the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) that disclose operating expenses, profits, partnerships, shareholders and many other details--a laborious process that can cost as much as $2 million annually.

  18. Not disappointed at all by sacrilicious · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Google fans... will be disappointed

    Nope. I'm a huge fan of google, but I'm quite happy at this turn of events. Going public puts pressure on a company to push for maximum short-term profit, and I like google just the way it is. If they needed the money to stay alive then that'd be one thing, but they don't.

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  19. M$ will never duplicate this technology by pjones · · Score: 4, Funny

    http://www.google.com/technology/pigeonrank.html
    I can say no more the links speaks for itself.

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