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Apple Releases Safari 1.2 and Java 1.4.2
smithk writes "Apple has released Safari 1.2 and Java 1.4.2. Panther owners only. Some new features of Safari include full keyboard access for navigation, download resume, support for LiveConnect, and support for personal certificate authentication. Also, web site compatibility has been improved." Available, as usual, via Software Update.
Safari 1.2 will run on any hardware that Panther runs on. A welcomed speed increase on my friend's Graphite iBook @ 366 mhz.
Just remember, MacOS 9 stll works JUST fine on older hardware; even macOS 8. Apple intended to make the switch to the 'new-world' mac's with MacOS 10.
Don't gripe about older hardware support; it's just like the move from 16 bit to 32 bit; or from 68K macs to PPC. It's part of the companies views and goals. Change hurts, get over not being able to support MacOS X on NuBus, or early G3's.
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Yeah, but I won't pay $130 to update it.
Then you don't get the free web browser that Apple graciously supplies for users of their current operating system.
It's simple. If you don't want to pay for what they're offering, that's your call. But you can't complain that you don't get the perks.
Where does your sense of entitlement come from?
If you reply, do so only to what I explicitly wrote. If I didn't write it, don't assume or infer it.
>Apple forces you to upgrade the damn OS every single year at
>the low cost of $129.
Wow, Steve Jobs comes down to your house and makes you pay for the update at gunpoint? Why haven't I seen *that* on the news?
Face it, Apple doesn't force you, you can either pay the upgrade fee, or you can go without and your OS will still keep chugging along. No self destruct sequence, no crazed hoard of killer rabbits coming after you, it will just continue to work.
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Wah wah. Safari 1.2 won't run on Jaguar. Camino and OmniWeb both run on Jaguar, OmniWeb 4.5 and 5 both use Safari's rendering engine. You've got options, including sticking with Safari 1.1.
There's nothing requiring you to upgrade MacOS every year. If what you've got works for you there's little reason to upgrade simply because a new version came out. Major commercial apps have pretty wide support bases and typically run on 10.1 and up. Smaller shareware apps move a little quicker and some of them require at least 10.2 in order to run. It is in a developer's best interest to support a wide range of systems so it will be a long time before 10.3 or newer is an absolute minimum requirement for a majority of software.
If you want to troll you could at least be creative about it.
I'm a loner Dottie, a Rebel.
Now I don't understand why you would buy Panther (you did *buy* it, right?) if you knew that it wouldn't install on a usb-less G3. You knew because you check these things out before you plop down $129 for a forced upgrade (you do read system requirements before spending $129, right?).
Now, if you *really* want to install panther, you can go here. You're going to have to have the required hardware (you will RTFA, right?) before you can do it, which will mean a new PCI video card, as the 4 meg ATi Rage ain't going to cut it.
As far as Apple forcing you to upgrade, did Steve come to your house and hold a slightly rounded plastic gun to your head and make you click on the 'Safari' link? When Panther came out, did all of your software stop working? I don't know where the 'forcing' comes into play - by your logic, linux, windows, and BeOS force you to upgrade every time a new version comes out.
As far as running linux on your G3 - go to town! I happily run 10.2.8 on my beige g3, and its quite usable and easy to configure. If you want to give up OS X, that's your issue. Say goodbye to Photoshop, Safari 1.1 (which works fine), and the rest of the consistent GUI software, 'cause it ain't there for linux.
Switching your iPod. You're switching to activation coded, exploit-filled Windows. Quite a trade up, I'm sure. Although, I'm sure Bill won't come by the house to force you to upgrade. He's too busy leveraging his monopoly to bring more substandard software to market.
As far as the 12" Powerbook, there you're really shorting yourself. I have a 15", and as I've said before, it's the best computer I've ever had. It came with 10.2.8, and I got Panther for 20 bucks.
Steve didn't make me, I *wanted* to.
I think that you will find something to whine about no matter what, so do what you will do. Put up or shut up as Dad was apt to say.
You want to run Panther like the kids in Cupertino intended, get the Powerbook and enjoy it, because you will. It's nice. Retire the G3 (throw 10.2.8 on the bitch and put it out to pasture as an FTP server). It's had a long, hard life.
Most of all, stop complaining. You could be spending that $129 a year on antivirus software, spyware detection and removal, software firewalls, Norton Ghost and your time trying to figure out what services to disable this week, and how to get IE and WMP from stealing file associations.
If all that isn't worth $129 a year, maybe you should give up on computers and get a job pushing a rock to the top of a hill.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go run software update on my powerbook (and not worry about my exploit-free, Beige G3 FTP server) and check out the new Safari.
... 'session save' capabilities? Or, can we already do this with Safari, and I'm just clueless?
... I can't freakin' believe that browsers don't have this as a standard feature, but oh well.
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What I'm talking about is that when you close Safari, it remembers all your current tabs, all your windows, all your sites, and then when you re-launch it, it restores the whole 'session' to the way it was
Guess I should just dl the source and whack it in there myself... trouble is, I'm not sure I haven't overlooked how to do this yet
; -- the corruption of government starts with its secrets. a truly free people keep no secrets. --
I should think that's obvious by now -- yes, you do. Luckily, you're unlikely to run into them in other applications. It has to do with the way Safari has to patch into Core Graphics to perform drawing. It's at a much lower level than most applications.
Personally, I just bought the Panther upgrade for iChat AV ($30 alone), FileVault, and Expose. Expose, the new application switcher and the type-select menus alone were worth the cost of the upgrade for me.
But you can wait as long as you want before upgrading. Maybe 10.4 will be more exciting for you. There's no need to get every system release unless you really want something out of it. I don't think anyone can ever really argue they "need" something out of a Mac OS X release, since they obviously had the previous version and survived somehow without the feature.
Microsoft is still putting out updates all the time for Windows 2000 and that came out in 1999
Security updates, fine! But software enhancements is a different matter. Microsoft hasn't updated IE6 functionality since Windows XP was released, whereas Apple has consistently improved upon its packaged web browser's functionality. Sure, Microsoft has improved Windows Media Player, but what else?
i don't like being tied into an upgrade cycle by apple so i changed to Firebird, its a better browser anyway IMO
It is not free, it is a bundle. That is why only people that paid for Panther are entitled to get it.
One of the reasons I did not complain about the $130 bump to Panther is that it came with a few things that, to me, made it worth it. Expose, iChatAV, and the newer Mail.app are three things I would have gladly paid extra, so in my personal situation the jump to 10.3 was maybe $50 and the other $80 was on the extra apps.
I will gladly pay the yearly $130 if it means I don't have to put up with the hassle of keeping windows running. I just reinstalled Panther on my Titanium Powerbook 867 and I probably spent more time copying my back up files than what it took me to do the clean install (I had used the upgrade option first). I did not even have to reinstall most of my software.
Pedro
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The Insomniac Coder
That's the price of advancement.
You either continue to use your system with the feature set it has or you upgrade. System requirements change. It's the same with any OS.
Things just happen a little faster on Mac OS sometimes. If you don't like the speed at which Apple innovates and comes up with new software and ideas switch to something else.
As it happens Apple added a shed load of extra stuff to help developers in Panther. This leaves developers with a decision to make: use the new stuff which makes life alot easier but at the expense of compatibility with older versions of the OS, or do things the old more difficult, yet more compatible way.
As long as they don't incorporate a browser pet peeve of mine - 'Help' as the topmost item in the context-menu. How annoying!
"He'd be a broader guy if he had dropped acid once." - Steve Jobs on Bill Gates
By all means don't test your web pages for Safari compatibility. All I ask is standard HTML.
I see a lot of people, who have messages saying things like:
What you're really asking is, to let a company work for you and (thousand/million?) other for free?
Let me clarify some of my thoughts:
Assume you have a company with 100 developers who just released a new version of their OS. The developers worked a whole year on this new OS and are happy they're releasing it to the wild. Because this company has a vision, you want to upgrade them to the new OS ASAP, so everybody can use this new technology. Now there are a lot of clients who say they don't want to pay for the OS, because a step from 10.2.7 -> 10.3.0 is'nt a big step (what's in a number?). It's just a maintenance release they say.
Lets assume a very simplistic view on the costs of making this product:
Every developer makes 50.000 a year, you have 100 of them so the total is 5.000.000. So without any other costs like:
- You'll have to make manuals for the OS (write and print)
- You'll have to manufacture and design the box where the OS comes in
- You'll have to manufacture the CD's
- You'll have to ship all the CD's to distribution centre's and clients
- You'll have to update your website
....
You'll have to sell 5.000.000/129 = 38.759 CD's to get even.Jaguar isn't supported anymore?
Well as a lot of other companies or groups who are maintaining Operating Systems, older versions of the operating system mostly get bug- or security fixes and no new functionality, until the company stop supporting them.
Now assume the market asks for better support for Jaguar, now the company has to support Jaguar and Panther with these 100 developers. For every developer working on Jaguar and not Panther you have to pay, without any income, because Jaguar isn't for sale any more.
Yeah, you'll much prefer upgrading your PC every 2 years, or constantly as in my case. I would rather have a computer that required $129 a year in software, than $400 in hardware upgrades every 2 years. And face it, you can pirate Panther if it is that big of a deal. You can't download a 9800 off of Kazaa however.
Can anyone enlighten me on the advantages of always having to mouse to the upper left-hand corner to go to the previous page?
It could be historical, because contextual menus are relatively new to Macs. Historically, Mac applications are optimized for two types of users, beginner and advanced. The beginner uses the menus to do everything, and once familiar with an application, makes note of the keyboard shortcuts listed next to the most common menu commands. As the user becomes advanced, he/she uses more and more keyboard shortcuts.
Contextual menus occupy a strange sort of middle ground, catering to perhaps a different sort of user: lazy-beginner, or inefficient-advanced. This type of user interface is on a par with the classic Windows way of handling keyboard shortcuts, which is to use the keys to pull down and navigate menus. I always thought that was weird too.
That said, I still miss the Finder contextual menu item which arranges files by name, which was first implemented in Mac OS 8.
Mike van Lammeren
It will challenge your head, your brain, and your mind.
I think it's very unwise from Apple to leave the former Jaguar OS out with the Safari update. In our organization this is a killer criteria and it clearly marks the dead of Safari as a standard !
There are plenty of reasons not to update to Panther yet (do we need to mention FireWire problems, SCSI instability, backwards compatibility problems with lots of Software and Workflow tools, DB's, etc.).
For many corporate users it is not well advised to switch to a new release (Panther) before this kind of problems are resolved, and this, mind You, usually takes a while. In our example from our 65 Mac's only the latest G5's are up to 10.3.2 already, everything else lags behind (will follow as soon as budget is ready and problems are solved).
It is therefore impossible to use the same version of Safari companywide, which in turn leads us to switch to Mozilla or any other decent product which IS MAINTAINED PROPERLY ON DIFFERENT OS RELEASES, as it should be ! If Apple is NOT EVEN CAPABLE OF SUPPORTING ONE SINGLE OS-RELEASE BACKWARDS - what kind of impression gives that ? It does remind us of a certain company from Redmond, doesn't it ?
Shame on You Apple for this - otherwise good work and go on with Panther.
I think the apple idea of contextual menus is a bit different from the windows idea. Under the apple system, it seems to be a matter of actions that are in "context" with the item you are clicking on. In the case of view source, save and print, those are all actions that are applicable to the page itself, they are actions performed on the page. Whereas back, and forward are prowser actions as a whole, they are not actions to be perfromed on the page.
T Money
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