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US Govt Makes Times New Roman 14 Official Font

pollux03 writes "According to ABC news, 'In an internal memorandum distributed on Wednesday, the department declared "Courier New 12" - the font and size decreed for US diplomatic documents for years - to be obsolete and unacceptable after February 1. "In response to many requests and with a view to making our written work easier to read, we are moving to a new standard font: 'Times New Roman 14'," said the memorandum. ' The report goes on to cite a few exceptions to the rule including official telegraphs."

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  1. Slow news day? by prisoner-of-enigma · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not to be petty or anything, but just how slow of a news day does it have to be when a font change is considered newsworthy?

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  2. Re:Yeah, nice use of taxdollars. by badasscat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Instead of actually doing something useful, they sit around and argue over the right font to use.

    And we sit around arguing over their arguments. Which is worse?

  3. Interesting... by CrazyTalk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That they are going from a fixed-width font (courier) to a variable-width font (Times). Columns of numbers, etc. won't line up as nice with Times, especially if the people creating the documents don't know what they are doing.

    1. Re:Interesting... by mysticgoat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, the change from fixed to proportional strikes me as the significant thing.

      It means that government employees who have to use a word processor are now going to have to learn how to do tab stops. And (Horrors!) maybe even tables. Many of these astute public servants-- secretaries to heads of departments and so forth-- have been abusing the spacebar for 10+ years.

      This is going to disrupt the work of a lot of staff. They'll be spending their time learning about left justified tabs, right justified tabs, and the strange behaviors of the mysterious decimal point tab. And some will be forced to learn how to insert rows and columns in tables, and even perhaps how to merge adjacent cells in a table. This is going to be very stressfull in some areas, and will cause some early retirements and probably some medical retirements. I ain't kidding. I've worked with a goodly cross section of these astute public servants, and I know about the limitations that are behind the bright smiles.

      The March Monthly Report On The SW Antarctic Penguin Census And Pollen Count will have to be rewritten from scratch rather than simply copying last month's file and changing the numbers. All businesses that rely on such reports from the US State Department should be advised that these may be late, due to unexpected technical problems with the computers.

      Noted in passing: IIRC, both Courier New and Times New Roman were introduced at the same time, as two of the three core fonts of TrueType, about 1991, as part of Widows 3.1 (maybe another geezer can confirm this). Both are native Windows fonts. (The third core font was Arial.)

      There is nothing particularly newer or more modern about TNR vs CN. Both are computer implementations of fonts that were developed to meet limitations of earlier technologies. Courier is a very open font that does not gum up quickly on the electric typewriters of the 1960s. Times is a complex font designed to retain readability at small sizes with newsprint stock and linotype machines, where smearing, dropouts, and voids frequently damaged the letterforms.

      It is always good to see that the US government is improving itself, and moving ahead with the Times.
      </rant>

  4. Language? by DaHat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    and yet we still do not have an official language!

  5. Its a shame.. by naelurec · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They should have used an open license font like Bitstream Vera. This would have given them the fixed spaced "Bitstream Vera Sans Mono" for tabular data, "Bitstream Vera Serif" for paragraph and "Bitstream Vera Sans" for headers, captions, etc. Simply beautiful and open. :)

  6. Re:Yeah, nice use of taxdollars. by k98sven · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The government uses a lot of OCR - more than you would believe. Standardizing on one exact font description makes it far easier to build an OCR engine optimized for speed and accuracy, which in turn saves time and taxpayer dollars.

    Wait a second.. are you saying that the government is spending lots of time OCRing their own computer documents??

    Now that is a waste of time and money!

  7. They didn't choose a font! by Quila · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They chose the Times New Roman typeface at 14 point, consisting of the fonts regular, italic, bold and bold italic.

    A typeface could technically be a font if you only have one version of that typeface = the one font in it.

  8. Re:Telegrams? by Chris+Burke · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can think of something you can send your Congresscritter from WesternUnion.com that would have almost certainly have a greater impact than a telegram.

    Convenient that it lets you send both!

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  9. Government Forcasts 30% Increase in Paper Use by stuffduff · · Score: 3, Insightful
    George W. Bush is expected to announce shortly the Timber Reclamation Act of 2004 in which all wood framed houses will be demolished and the lumber reclaimed and recycled to produce "Goverment Bond" in an effort to avoid a predicted paper shortfall for government documents.

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  10. Re:Yeah, nice use of taxdollars. by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I agree with you in principle, but you have to understand that the one thing the US government is tremendously experienced with is moving around massive volumes of paper. They've spent 200 years building a huge infrastructure around the idea of paper trails.

    Now, in the last 10-15 years it's become reasonable to use electronic means to move around large amounts of data between normal sites - that is, those not custom-built around mainframe systems like the original ARPAnet. The government seems to be making strides toward adapting to the new technology, but you have to understand that those giant traditional paper distribution networks can't just be replaced overnight. I'm sure that there are a lot of instances where, at this exact moment in time, it's actually cheaper and more efficient for office "A" to transmit information to office "B" using paper as a carrier medium.

    Remember, "Rome" wasn't built in a day (Heh! An on-topic pun! Ain't I the clever one?). It'll take a while to remodel it to suit the current technology.

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  11. Re:Not Garamond? by WillAdams · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Unfortunately, Garamond isn't readily available to all systems the government is likely to be purchasing / using, so the choice of Times New Roman (a Windows core font, and available on all Macs which have Internet Explorer installed) makes good fiscal sense.

    William

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  12. Re:Yeah, nice use of taxdollars. by Moraelin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You've never had to talk with the customer's PHB about some program spec yet, have you?

    The tech stuff is easy. They just want the program to do everything _and_ the kitchen sink.

    But what really causes weeks or months of meetings is

    - "should the logo in the corner be exactly 120 pixels or 121 pixels?... no, wait, 119 pixels is just right."

    - Then the fonts which _must_ be 7 pixel Sevenet (or some other non-standard font which is guaranteed not to even be installed on someone's computer, when they point their browser at the site. Bonus points if it's a pain to read.)

    - And it all _must_ comply with some nighmarish corporate scheme that wasn't designed for the net to start with. Actual examples from actual projects I've worked on, include cyan on blue, and light orange on orange-ish yellow. Literally. I'm not making it up.

    - And all the text _must_ always be limited into a 491 pixel wide area, to look the same on everyone's screen as it does on the PHB's laptop, with whatever default non-maximized position his IE remained set as. (God forbid that someone who uses 1600x1200 be actually able to use all that area to read the text.)

    And so on and so forth. It's the stuff managers' dreams are made of. I'm guessing that if you stopped them from spending weeks debating the exact font size and exact logo size and hue, you'd suck all the fun out of management.

    So, well, given that the government's job _is_ to manage... now why am I not surprised? ;)

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  13. Re:Once againe, SCO set the standard... by mikerich · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Much as I would like to, even I can't actually find any way to blame SCO for this font change. I can't blame Sir Bill either. But, I think it is stupid, because 14 point is a bit too big and so wastes paper, not that the US government ever cared about waste.....

    And just think of the endless committees, sub-committees, working groups, focus groups, font lobbyists, R and D, marketing and strategising people that were involved. There were probably millions spent on deciding whether they should go for the relaxed 12 point, or the more dynamic and assertive 'hell we're a superpower' 14 point approach.

    I hear they're working on rebranding the bald eagle for the 21st Century, apparently the existing bird just isn't - well - [makes feeble hand gestures] swooping enough for today's time-poor, internet-rich, xboxed, click-to-continue, frappacino generation.

    Best wishes,
    Mike.