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Inside Microsoft's New Digital Photo Project

robyn217 writes "While Microsoft Research plays 'Big Brother' to a young hiker's trip across North America, it breaks new ground in digital photography by combining metadata, like location via GPS, with the image. Its online presence looks impressive as it displays digital photo albums on a map of the world, but it's slow and unwieldy for the most part and may not be better than a standard travelogue site. This week, I took a closer look at the project currently named the World-Wide Media eXchange (WWMX)."

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  1. 'plays Big Brother'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They are the freaking sponsor! You make it sound like some grand conspiracy.

  2. I for one, am glad ms is getting into this by DR+SoB · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm glad microsoft is getting into this kind of thing. National Geographic has been doing a dismal job over the past few months, and there really are not enough players in the game. It's funny, in my experience most geeks really do like the great outdoors, so it seems a proper marriage to me!

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    1. Re:I for one, am glad ms is getting into this by AndroidCat · · Score: 3, Informative

      Just don't take any photos/GPS of $cientology near Riverside California. That's an "interfering with a religion" crime according to the kangaroo court there. (And leave the Tom Cruise missles at home.)

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    2. Re:I for one, am glad ms is getting into this by infochuck · · Score: 5, Informative

      National Geographic has been doing a dismal job over the past few months, and there really are not enough players in the game. It's funny, in my experience most geeks really do like the great outdoors, so it seems a proper marriage to me!

      I'm one of those outdoor geeks (backpacking, kayaking), and I have to disagree with your assesment of National Geographic's performace. I'm not certain exactly to what you are referring, but if it's basic mapping software, I *love* their NatGeo Topo State series. The maps are the latest USGS topoquads (many other campanies' prducts, like Delorme, use maps that are many years old and lacking in many newer trails), and are beautifully reproduced. GPS support has been wonderful, and I can do exactly what the above blurb was talking about - take photos, record their positions in my GPS, and, when I get back home, upload my route, along with waypoints indicating, among other things, where I took what photos. The photos then have to be manually associated with each waypoint, but it works so well, I'm not about to start complaining.

  3. Thought this was call TIFF by lostpuppy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They have been using embeded data in TIFFs for years in nav. programs that overlayed a map image with altitude and lat/long.

  4. I bet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...if a Linux-based solution was doing exactly the same thing terminology like 'big brother' would be nowhere to be found. I find your write-up to be double plus biased.

    1. Re:I bet... by sakshale · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I agree 100%

      I am not a fan of MicroSoft, but I am a fan of being truthful. The phrasing used in the announcement would have been flagged -1 TROLL or -1 FLAMEBAIT if I was moderating.

      MicroSoft's sponsoring of something like this is not something that we should condemn or flame. Sounds like it is the people at /. who operate the 'Ministry of Truth'.

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  5. Cobine with TerraServer by plilja · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Once there is a large enough dataset of pictures (and that really is the key to making more then a travelog), I like the idea of combining something like this with a satalite imaging service so you can feel like you are really zooming in.

    To me it has the potential to help provide context to the places that you here about on the news or that students are assigned to research. Plus, it's just plain neat!

  6. Correlating Images and GPS data. by bogamo · · Score: 5, Informative

    I currently run a website, TrailRegistry that does exactly this. Actually it does a whole lot more. The general tilt of my site is hiking related, so the pictures are generally of views, shelters, mountains, etc... What I think is more important is sharing of trip data collected by GPS. So for instance, if you hiked an unmarked trail in your area, you could upload the GPS track log to TrailRegistry, and TrailRegistry will create a Topo map (On the fly) for other users to use.

    Please check it out, You might find it usefull. Also,I allways love feedback on what I could do better..

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    1. Re:Correlating Images and GPS data. by spikev · · Score: 3, Funny

      It appears that you just /.ed yourself.

    2. Re:Correlating Images and GPS data. by mikeboone · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It would be nice to see your maps plotted on Digital Raster Graphic (DRG) maps. Though you'd probably need more horsepower to serve them up. And despite being public domain U.S. government data, they are pretty difficult to get for free. :(

      I have found free DRG data and plotted GPS routes on them for trip reports on my website. I haven't found any tools for doing this that will let me make up these maps and publish the result with no strings attached, so I've settled for overlaying my GPS track onto the map with Photoshop.

      http://boonedocks.net/travel/

      If anyone knows of a free/cheap tool where I can feed it my GPS track data and a public-domain DRG TIFF file, and plot the result, let me know.

      Storing GPS data in each photo seems like overkill to me. If the subject is distant, like a mountain, the lat/lon won't really convey what you want. And maybe I don't want someone to know the GPS coordinates of my house if I take a picture of my dog on the couch. :)

  7. Big Brother?! by bdigit · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hardly.... They sponsored this guy and I think it's great that they are doing so. This is a wonderful project but since it's sponsored by Microsoft it's automatically evil?

  8. "Server too busy" by Dracolytch · · Score: 5, Funny

    Great, lets link to a website that has nothing but photos and thumbnails! Ooh wait, better yet! Let's find one that organizes them dynamically with non-trivial algorithms!!

    Are we going for a new slashdotting record or something?

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  9. They forgot the'.' by mynameis+(mother+... · · Score: 5, Funny
    But still!

    While trying to view the microsoft link above I got the following error message:

    Server Error in '/' Application.

    Still amazingly honest for Microsoft!/p

  10. WWMX by mobby_6kl · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Of course they couldn't call it WWME - World-Wide Media Exchange

  11. That was my idea! by smclean · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Weird, I was just writing up plans the other day for php software which would be able to deal with relating images to GPS coordinates and compass headings, and make a nice interface. They stole my idea!

    I have a lot of good ideas for the software, and have already written out a lot of db schema and logic, but I am having a hard time finding high resolution maps which I may use legally, and this was discouraging. Most of the big satellite image companies want an arm and a leg for the right to display their images on your site. Anyone know of a place where I can get at least semi-high resolution satellite maps, like 5m or better, that I'll have the rights to display on my website?

    I assume that I would release the software under the GPL without any maps included, but its no fun writing software which nobody can really use unless they purchase satellite imagery!

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  12. Actually not a bad idea by Dark+Paladin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A few years ago an old Jeep buddy of mine mentioned an idea for a web site like this - people could drive around Utah, take pictures, and record the GPS coordinates of where the picture was taken so that others could find the same place for camping/etc.

    This just seems to do something of what iPhoto does - attaches some meta-data (in this case, GPS coordinates, time&date, etc) to the file.

    I'd say this could be pretty cool, though of course I'd like to see an open standard used and the ability to turn it off. I don't think I mind all cell phones by 2005 having GPS (the ability to save lives could be huge for 9-1-1 services), but I want the capacity to shut the damn thing off so Psycho Boy Jones can't jump me because he didn't like my recipe for spicy sweet mashed potatos.

    Side note for those worried about privacy: there was a story I was reading about a service for cell phones in Japan. Suppose your spouse calls and wants a picture of where you are, and instead of working late at the office (like you said you were), you were out at the bar with your friends. This service will forward a picture of your office to them instead of your current location.

    With GPS being mandatory in cell phones by 2005 (at least according to the article), you wonder how other people will tap into it? Is this a 9-1-1 services only thing, or is this "add to my GPS" list so people in other phones have your coordinates at all time? (Something that might be a new level of parental control when your teenager goes out with friends for the night....)

  13. can I get MS to pay for my fantasy trip? by mpost4 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I wonder how can we get MS to pay for other fantasy trips, I would love to get a boat and live on the sea and go diving every day. I would let them take all the pics they want, hell I would even let them test out the new MS scuba computer with me(as long as I get analog backups)

  14. Locating places... by thewiz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Over the years I've seen many pictures of places I'd like to visit (as I'm sure the rest of you have as well). IMHO, including GPS and other location metadata in a picture is a great idea! Now we'll know exactly where that beautiful water fall we want to visit is rather than just knowing that it's somewhere in Ecuador.

    The downside of this is that every tourist with a GPS can find places that are virtually unspoiled by man and end up spoiling them.

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  15. Interesting how so many people know it's no good by toopc · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yet the site isn't actually working. Maybe it does suck, maybe it's nothing new, but since it's not actually accessible at the moment, isn't it kind of hard to tell?

    It's a Microsoft Research site and obviously they weren't expecting it to be get much traffic. If you doubt Microsoft can set up a site that can handle high volume, everybody click this now:

    Microsoft.com

  16. GPS data in EXIF image tags by Speare · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There is at least one professional camera which can embed GPS coordinates in the image data itself, in the form of an additional line in the EXIF tag. It has limitations when you're indoors, I would imagine, but great for most hiking or driving conditions.

    This would be immensely popular for real estate agents who need to correlate pictures to addresses all the time.

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  17. Backgrounder by IPFreely · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Bill Gates has a private project (Corbis, not affiliated with MS) growing to amass a large collection of photographs. It already does a good business of finding and licensing photos for almost any use. They could be trying to get more for the collection, or to join up in an IP pipeline to benefit both companies.

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  18. GPS in cameras please by metamatic · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I can't wait until GPS technology is small enough and cheap enough to put inside the camera. It'd be great for looking at holiday photos...

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  19. Re:slashdoted... by radish · · Score: 4, Informative

    And of course no website running on say, Apache, has ever been slashdotted.

    Sheesh.

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  20. Article Text by sirReal.83. · · Score: 3, Funny

    Server Error in '/' Application.

    ***** Server Too Busy *****
    Description:An unhandled exception occurred during the execution of the current web request. Please review the stack trace for more information about the error and where it originated in the code.

    Exception Details:System.Web.HttpException: Server Too Busy

    Source Error:

    An unhandled exception was generated during the execution of the current web request. Information regarding the origin and location of the exception can be identified using the exception stack trace below.

    Stack Trace:

    [HttpException (0x80004005): Server Too Busy] System.Web.HttpRuntime.RejectRequestInternal(HttpW orkerRequest wr) +147

    Version Information: Microsoft .NET Framework Version:1.1.4322.573; ASP.NET
    Version:1.1.4322.573

  21. Do it Your Self Map Server by SufferingSimian · · Score: 4, Informative

    Screw M$. If you have a GPS and a digital camera, you can make your own site using GPS Photo Link.gpsphotolink I've used it on numerous ocassions and it works like a charm. It uses the time stamp on your digital photos to relate to the nearest waypoint or position in your GPS tracklog to generate GIS data for your photo points. It then creates HTML that links your photos to map graphics of your location.
    Check out the sample sites at SAMPLES