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The Ubiquitous LED Becomes More Ubiquitous

LiberalApplication writes "Piezoelectric generators have been mentioned here before, regarding the military's plan to integrate them into the heels of boots for the purposes of harvesting electricity from the cumulative stompage of a soldier, but now someone has come up with the idea to combine them with LEDs and cast the entire assembly into a little block of resin. Well, a stick, really. If you were getting tired of seeing little blinky lights everywhere, you ain't seen nothing yet."

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  1. Bicycles... by stefanlasiewski · · Score: 3, Interesting

    These things look small and light.

    I'd love to get a set of these and attach them to the spokes on my bicycle wheels. Swirly rainbow of light zooming across the dark.

    No driver could miss me then.

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    1. Re:Bicycles... by Baron_Yam · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, on a smooth road these wouldn't work; they require a cycle of compression and decompression to generate power - you'd want nice hard tires and a bumpy road to shake the suckers up.

      It would be interesting to know just how vigourously they need to be jostled to generate a given luminosity.

    2. Re:Bicycles... by benploni · · Score: 4, Funny
      No driver could miss me then.


      Actually, I thought you'd rather want him to miss you :-)
    3. Re:Bicycles... by SanLouBlues · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You could attach multiple small cams to the wheels, balanced such that they don't affect overall stability, but do simulate bumpiness for the generators.
      Or get compression from the user pushing down on the pedals repeatedly.

    4. Re:Bicycles... by jarran · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Well, they need batteries, but you might be satisfied with Hokey Spokes. They even communicate somehow and sync if you have several on one wheel.

    5. Re:Bicycles... by John+Hasler · · Score: 4, Informative

      The tension in each spoke varies cyclically as the wheel turns. Just put a piezoelectric generator in series with each spoke.

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  2. Cool! by Deagol · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think self-powered and self-contained light sources are really cool. I'd rather have a Glowring, but they can't be imported for resale in the US/Canada. Any enterprising folks across the pond wish to work out a deal and get me some? ;-)

    1. Re:Cool! by vlm · · Score: 2, Interesting

      you can buy a similar tritiated light from www.unitednuclear.com and they are in the USA.

      It uses the same traser trademark.

      I have a green one, it's encapsulated into a teardropped shaped lump of plastic. It's on my keyring and it's about as bright as my clock radio at night.

      I have no relation to www.unitednuclear.com other than being a happy customer.

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    2. Re:Cool! by Suidae · · Score: 2, Informative

      Those glow sticks are popular items on E-bay.

  3. targets by TheSHAD0W · · Score: 3, Funny

    Oh great, let's make our troopers into marching Xmas trees, why don't we? "Don't fire until you see the lights of their feet!"

  4. Jurassic Park by AtariAmarok · · Score: 3, Interesting

    but now someone has come up with the idea to combine them with LEDs and cast the entire assembly into a little block of resin

    63 million years from now, some huckster is going to have an amusement park featuring cloned glowing lights.

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  5. Embedded into sidewalks by SandSpider · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It might be interesting to embed these into the top of a sidewalk, then watch the sidewalk start glowing whenever someone walks on it, or whenever there are other vibrations in the area. Not necessarily useful, but interesting.

    =Brian

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    1. Re:Embedded into sidewalks by Baron_Yam · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That might make for a fun private path to a house or something, but certainly not on a city street where it'd A) cost taxpayers more and B) get covered with gum anyway.

      I'd think you'd see this as a new material for a dance floor before most other novelty surface applications.

    2. Re:Embedded into sidewalks by srmalloy · · Score: 2, Interesting
      It might be interesting to embed these into the top of a sidewalk, then watch the sidewalk start glowing whenever someone walks on it, or whenever there are other vibrations in the area. Not necessarily useful, but interesting.
      If you can make the unit sufficiently small, so that you can fit tens of them per inch, embedding a layer of them into a sidewalk or other pedestrian surface would have people leaving glowing footprints, which could be used as a theming enhancement in amusement parks, dance floors, or just for sheer weirdness value in homes or other locations.
    3. Re:Embedded into sidewalks by BigDumbSpaceApe · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah that would be great, especially if you danced around and sang 'Billie Jean' =\

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  6. Blinking LEDs on Combat boots? by weeboo0104 · · Score: 4, Funny

    the military's plan to integrate them into the heels of boots

    I wonder if they will resemble these.

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  7. Concerts... by Bugaboo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Am I the only one who thinks this would be a neat thing to embed in a clear drumstick and then use at concert?

    Hell, disperse the little ones in the crowd and turn the whole place into a giant pulsating light...

    1. Re:Concerts... by Deagol · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How about embedded onto speaker assemblies? Different colors for different cone sizes (or whatever -- I'm no audiophile). Could be rather neat-looking, no?

    2. Re:Concerts... by Sir+Holo · · Score: 2, Funny

      Am I the only one who thinks this would be a neat thing to embed in a clear drumstick and then use at concert?

      Public announcement! You now have 1 year if you want US patent protection, and you are out of luck if you wanted international.

  8. No more "blackouts" by siegesama · · Score: 3, Interesting

    These things (or rather, an application of ther technology) would make amazing emergency lighting in offices or homes. Heck, even in non-emergency situations. Perhaps a walkway with peizo-electric flagstones to power the lights along its path?

    I wonder how much power could be obtained from the highways and biways of America? All those cars racing over millions of little generators all day long should produce a pretty goo amount of electricity, I'd imagine. It would almost make up for the ridiculous cost of burning all those fossil fuels in the first place.

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    1. Re:No more "blackouts" by mstorer3772 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A: Interesting idea.

      B: You're kinda missing the whole "conservation of energy" thing. It could never come close to making up the difference.

      C: After reading the article, it's clear that converting vibration into current will never create a large ammount of electricity. It WILL create small ammounts just about anyplace, allowing electronics to go without a battery or powercord. Pizo in the road might for various sensors to be included into a kind of "smart streets" (as opposed to "street smarts"). The sensors could then trigger de-icing gear, for example.

      Lots of cool little applications. Emphasis on the "little".

      I suppose a massive-scale deployment would get useful ammounts of power, but wouldn't be cost effective.

      (! / $) 1

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  9. Lost in the translation? by Hardwyred · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The article claims that the piezo generator can crank out up to 10amps! Is that right?

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    1. Re:Lost in the translation? by TheOnlyCoolTim · · Score: 3, Informative

      Probably 10 mA, which would be on the low end of where LEDs are generally rated.

      Tim

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    2. Re:Lost in the translation? by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'd imagine the charge would be stored in a capacitor, leeched from it over time as needed at the desired amperage.

      Thus the pile of them pictured in the last link that are still glowing despite being apparently motionless, probably dumped from a shaken bucketful.

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    3. Re:Lost in the translation? by jafuser · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Is this the same effect you get with those electronic cigarette lighters that make a spark when you press down the button?

      You can get a nice healthy spark from those things, which probably has to have a good voltage to jump across the air like that, but the amperage must be pretty low or they'd be deadly =D

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    4. Re:Lost in the translation? by TheOnlyCoolTim · · Score: 2, Informative

      I am seriously afraid that you are mistaken. Recently I did tons of projects with normal cheap-ass LEDs and I was generally running them off 15 mA, and they could easily handle more.

      Tim

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  10. [ot] tritium?!? by Paul+d'Aoust · · Score: 3, Funny

    I know this is slightly off-topic, but -- are you sure it's safe to have that amount of tritium dangling from your keys? Those things look pretty bloody bright... just don't stick your keychain in your pocket if you wanna have kids in the future ^_^

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    1. Re:[ot] tritium?!? by Deagol · · Score: 4, Informative
      I did my homework. The radiation emmited by these things is about as low-power as you get (even in nature). If you ingest the stuff, however, better file your will in a month or two. The stuff reacts as normal hydrogen, and is diffused throught the food chains (hydrocarbons -- fats!) and water supplies. Contamination is the major problem. But I'm guessing the mercury & lead in my 19" CRT would be far worse upon disposal, as well as the PCBs in my PC.

      Sure, I wouldn't give one to my kids (which I'm done having, btw), but it's safe. What were those military lights called? Watchlights? Watchglasses? Whatever -- they were regarded as safe, I believe.

    2. Re:[ot] tritium?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Disclaimer; I am a Physics Undergraduate & have just spent the day on a tour of JET, where they use tritium as a fuel to start a nuclear fusion reaction.

      Gaseous tritium is absolutely fine, it decays by beta emission - but the electron is so unenergetic that it can't even penetrate skin.

      However, if the tritium oxidises, it becomes heavy water which can get directly absorbed by one's lungs. In which case, it pases through the body after a few days in the standard way ;) In case of contamination by oxidised tritium, the radioactivity of the patient's urine is monitored, as beer is poured down their throat to 'flush the system out'.

      The safe dose for gaseous tritium is 10s of thousands of times higher than that for oxidised tritium; if you did crack one of those vials, I doubt much harm would come to you at all. Any tritium released into the atmosphere will quickly diffuse into space [also the reason why there's precious little atmospheric hydrogen]...

    3. Re:[ot] tritium?!? by deglr6328 · · Score: 4, Informative

      No need to worry, these are absolutely safe. Even if you break open the capsule containing the Tritium (3H) and ingest the whole lot, there will be no need to fill out a will. The amount of 3H in these devices is limited to less than 25 millicuries and at a committed effective dose of 64 millirem per mCi you could only possibly be exposed to a REM or 2 in the absolute worse case scenario. The yearly limit for radiation workers set by the DOE is 5 REM, so I think you will be OK!! :-)

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  11. Re:Children's Shoes by netringer · · Score: 4, Informative
    You know, I've noticed glowing blinking lights embedded in children's shoes for years. Are those lights battery powered?
    Yes. There are button cells and switches embedded in the sole of the shoes.

    I thought of those when I first read the "in the heels of soldier's boots" in the story.

    Cops loved it when crime suspects wearing those hip shoes tried to sneak away into the night.

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  12. Re:Lots of uses for Piezoelectric by addaon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Score: 3, Interesting? Well, at least you didn't get an Informative. You have three links... one is to fiction, so we'll skip it. The two that are to real items have nothing at all to do, shockingly, with the point you're (failing at) making. Both use standard coil/magnet arrangements instead of piezo crystals. Have you ever thought about how much sound energy needs to be traveling through a piezo crystal to generate, say, 1W?

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  13. But, that was my idea! by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The piezoelectric transducer is sealed with resins, but is planned to undergo future improvements of waterproof sealing. Shaken in a container having a small amount of water, the Light Emitting Stick looks beautifully luminous between light rays reflected from the water, Nissin Electric said.

    I had an idea for luminous items in beverages before, but then I envisioned glowing beads that were neutrally buoyant so that any carbonation in the beverage would cause them to continously move around. I was going to call them "fireflies" and market them to trendy bars.

    Of course they'd either have to be safe for consumption or have the beverage container's opening be filtered with a mesh so they couldn't be swallowed.

    Think glowing skittlebrau.

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    1. Re:But, that was my idea! by bartle · · Score: 2, Informative

      Of course they'd either have to be safe for consumption or have the beverage container's opening be filtered with a mesh so they couldn't be swallowed.

      Look up the Japanese soft drink Lamune. It used a particularly unique design in which the drink was sealed by a marble stuck in the neck of the bottle. To open you pushed the marble down into the bottle. If you wanted to save a little for later you could flip the bottle upside down and suck on it, the marble would fall down and reseal the bottle.

  14. K2 skis and airplane wings had these years ago by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The K2 - "fours" have embedded piezos hooked to leds. the piezo's in turn are hooked to the fiberglass top sheet. when the ski vibrates excesivley the energy is damped by draining the piezo through a load, in this case an LED. The LED is used in stead of a resistor for two reasons 1) it sells skis cause its cool to watch and you know its "working". 2) the diode has a threshold for activation that turns on the damping only when the vibration is excessive. so your ski is lively up to a point.

    they got the idea from the airforce who uses this idea to damp wing vibration.

    in both cases active vibration is lighter weight than passive damping materials. (unfortunately the K2s are still heavy as sin, so really it was a gimmick aimed at nerds. still it worked--I bought the skis!)

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  15. Solar powered LED in a calculator by G4from128k · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I once disassembled a early model of solar-powered credit card-sized calculator (one with no battery at all). While holding the circuit board near a light, I noticed a little glow ont he backside of the board. The designer had used an LED as a cheap voltage regulator. The LED lit up to dump excess energy coming from the solar cells.

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  16. Re:Lots of uses for Piezoelectric by Alsee · · Score: 2, Funny

    Have you ever thought about how much sound energy needs to be traveling through a piezo crystal to generate, say, 1W?

    Ummm, let me guess....

    One watt of sound?

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  17. Toys by javaxman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Neat.

    But really, aren't these most likely to show up as toys ( both for children and rave-going tripsters ) ? At least on a consumer level, I'm having a hard time thinking of other good applications.

    Of course, the article was a little thin, and I'm left asking questions.

    How much light do these generate? I take it all the light-up kid's shoes we see have batteries in them, right? These won't compare to -or work for- that kind of thing... how many applications require that the light source _always_ works and doesn't need to be very bright ? Basically, I'm wondering if these won't be adopted too well because battery-based solutions will "outshine" them. And with LEDs, batteries last quite a long time. I know my son outgrows his light-up shoes before they stop lighting up...

  18. 10 Amps ?? by rir · · Score: 2, Insightful
    From the article:

    The Light Emitting Stick generates a current of up to about 10A


    10 Amps ?? Is it just me or does this seem a little high to anyone?
  19. Conservation of energy, please... by SuperBanana · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I wonder how much power could be obtained from the highways and biways of America? All those cars racing over millions of little generators all day long should produce a pretty goo amount of electricity, I'd imagine.

    No, because the highway doesn't flex; the tires do. Since it doesn't move, there is no work done. There is a very small amount of heat imparted on the roadway, but not very much. OK, so maybe you make the highway segmented, and use the weight of the car? Ok, the car still has to climb up to the next slab. There are two kinds of people: those who know the laws of thermodynamics are absolute, and those who think the laws don't apply to -their- pet theory.

    In order for your idea to work, the highway would have to flex; it'd be like trying to run in the sand. Ever tried running in the sand? It's hard work if the sand is soft. Ever tried to -bike- in soft sand? It's damn near impossible. Etc.

    1. Re:Conservation of energy, please... by rampant+poodle · · Score: 2, Informative

      For the conservation laws to work the highway must flex in proportion to the applied load. Normally the deformation is both very small and elastic in nature. Occasionally, (think lots of slow moving trucks on a hot summer day), it is significant and permenant.

  20. Re:Lots of uses for Piezoelectric by Dachannien · · Score: 2, Funny

    All I know is that the people who drive past my apartment with their cars about ready to rattle apart from all the extreme bass are dissipating enough power to run a small city.

  21. Those blinkin' boots-boots-boots-boots... by dpbsmith · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Don't-don't-don't-don't-look at what's in front of you.
    (Boots-boots-boots-boots-movin' up an' down again);
    Men-men-men-men-men go mad with watchin' 'em,
    An' there's no discharge in the war !

    'Tain`t-so-bad-by-day because o' company,
    But night-brings-long-strings-o' forty thousand million
    Boots-boots-boots-boots-movin' up an' down again
    There's no discharge in the war !

    --Rudyard Kipling, "Boots"

    Now if those boots had had little blinking lights in them...

  22. Re:Big deal by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The difference is that piezoelectric materials, if made sufficiently convenient, can be employed in ways that are complementary to, and just as useful as, the generation of electricity by electromagnetic means, whereas your assorted magnet-driven gizmos have all required something outside themselves to actuate them. These materials are both actuator and generator.

    There are lots of things in this world that are designed to be in motion. Some of them naturally lend themselves to being made with piezoelectric materials. They are extremely few, but continued research to change that unfortunate fact, as more piezoelectric materials are developed, will allow us to harness energy from almost anything that frequently flexes. It will add weight but in some cases that does not matter. In cases where the materials closely resemble those currently used in flexible items, they should not degrade the quality of the item in question. Thus they are essentially free energy.

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