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PalmSource Drops Mac Synchronization in Cobalt

Gear_Media writes "Originally posted at PalmInfocenter: 'In a surprise announcement at the developer conference, PalmSource revealed that Palm OS Cobalt will no longer offer synchronization with the Mac. This marks a departure as previous versions of the Palm OS had long shipped with Mac compatible hotsync software.' Smart move? I think not."

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  1. Re:Might be because... by onebuttonmouse · · Score: 5, Informative

    iSync requires Palm's 'Palm Desktop' software to be installed before it can sync with PalmOS devices

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  2. Re:An honest question for you Mac users by BigScoob · · Score: 5, Informative

    Missing Sync will make your Clie, Palm or Pocket PC sync with your mac... Works and is cheap...

    www.markspace.com

  3. Re:An honest question for you Mac users by onebuttonmouse · · Score: 5, Informative

    Don't be mislead by just because it's a Microsoft product - PocketPCs work well with Macs.

    I'm using an HP iPAQ 2210 with my PowerBook right now, and it syncs very well through iSync thanks to the addition of some software from mark/space. It even allows you to mount the PocketPC's storage devices as volumes on your Desktop in OS X, which I don't think you can do in Windows.

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  4. Just to clarify by gozar · · Score: 5, Informative

    Without Hotsync Manager, iSync does not work. So unless you want to spend more money, you will not be able to sync the newest palms with your Mac.

    That's a shame because at my school district we were looking at rolling out a Palm program to help teachers stay organized. Now that Palm made this decision, I don't know what we're going to do.

    I've already sent them feedback, but I'm not holding my breath waiting on a reply.

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  5. Mark/Space will solve this problem by seichert · · Score: 5, Informative

    Mark/Space, the makers of the Missing Sync for Mac OS, will fill the void. Check out their website to read all about it: http://www.markspace.com/cobalt.html

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  6. Mark/Space is already doing that by burgburgburg · · Score: 5, Informative
    According to the article (I know, this is /., but I couldn't help myself):

    "Fortunately, a third party company, Mark/Space, has pledged to make a version of their Missing Sync client for Cobalt. It will be released later this year in anticipation of the first Palm OS Cobalt devices. Missing Sync for Cobalt will enable users to connect and synchronize information between Palm OS Cobalt devices and Macs running Mac OS X via USB, network, WiFi or Bluetooth."

    1. Re:Mark/Space is already doing that by dasmegabyte · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, the real reason Palm is dropping the HotSync client is that Apple wrote their own. It's called iSync and it ships with OSX...Apple wrote it so that their integrated address book and scheduling software could communicate with palms and smartphones.

      If you use iCal, you have to use iSync, because the HotSync client doesn't know much about the advanced features of the address book. iSync supports all the other crap you need to have to use a plam machine, too.

      So Apple's basically doing the work anyway...why should palm bother rewriting their software when apple users already have a free app that does what HotSync does, but is more tailored to their needs?

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    2. Re:Mark/Space is already doing that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes and no. Apple does give iSync away for free, it does offer conduits for their address and calendar apps, BUT, to sync your Palm OS PDA to your Mac using iSync, you MUST have HotSync Manager installed. The only way to get HotSync Manager installed is to install Palm Desktop.

      iSync is in the same boat - it will not support the Cobalt devices as it relies on the very application that PalmSource is not doing any further Mac development on.

      Palm Desktop and HotSync Manager are two different applications. This is not always obvious because HotSync Manager is fairly transparent while Palm Desktop is more obvious in that its the desktop PIM software so that's what the user sees. No further development on Palm Desktop may not be such an issue as many people tend towards other PIM software once they start really using their PDAs, but no further Palm Desktop development also means no further HotSync manager development and this will be the problem once the Cobalt devices are out.

      Its a completely non-trivial task to write a sync driver for so many different PDAs, I'm not thinking Apple wants to get into this task if a third party is willing to handle it. Its much easier to develop the OS you're familiar with and license a third party solution who will handle both the development and support.

  7. What the hell are you talking about? by xtal · · Score: 4, Informative


    They have ignored the OpenSource community, and now they are snubbing Apple.


    Palm has ALWAYS BEEN SUPPORTIVE OF OPEN SOURCE DEVELOPMENT. I take it you have never actually DONE any palm development. There is a completely (f)ree toolchain available for the Palm devices, and it's why I use it. Palm does not have the resources to support the smaller market of linux (and mac, I guess) users. They have always been willing to work with developers and release information - at least so far as I've seen.

    Please cite examples if you are going to make statements like the above.

    If they choose not to write a conduit, then the information will be available to do so. My guess is that Apple will include palm syncing in their next iSync update as a internal thing, and this miffed PalmSource for some reason. (the iTools already do much of what Palm desktop does, better).

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  8. Re:Might be because... by stickyc · · Score: 4, Informative
    A quick overview of Palm syncing...

    Syncing requires two components, HotSync itself and conduit(s).
    HotSync handles the communication between the host machine and the Palm handheld. This includes handshaking, scheduling conduit activation, data transfer between the device and conduits, error checking, and logging.
    The Conduits are what handles the data once it's on the host machine, chosing which records need to be updated on the host and client, backing up data, etc.

    iSync's interaction with the Palm is as a conduit only. It still requires HotSync to communicate with a device. HotSync is developed by PalmSource and is provided as part of the Palm Desktop distribution.

    There is an open source version of HotSync out there, I wouldn't think it would take too much effort to port it over to OS-X and adapt it to whatever changes Palm is making to the new syncronization process.

  9. Not necessarily all that bad by wareadams · · Score: 5, Informative

    One thing to think about is that it's not like PalmSource has been all that good at keeping Mac sync up to speed with Windows in the past.

    The first version of Palm Desktop for Mac was terrible. Then they bought Claris Organizer when Apple no longer needed it after killing the Newton and de-emphasizing Claris products other than FMPro. At that point things were OK, but really Palm just picked up Claris Organizer for cheap. It wasn't a real commitment on their part.

    From then until OS X they really did nothing for the Mac desktop. Then they came out with an OS X version, but no new features (no network sync, no WiFi sync, etc...). Now they've given up altogether.

    Mark/Space makes pretty good stuff so far, and their support has been very good. There's some question of whether or not they can handle the scale, but I'm sure they'll make a greater effort at pushing the Mac 'Palm' desktop forward than PalmSource has. In fact their first release will have more improvements than PalmSource has given us in years (WiFi sync, Ethernet sync).

    The longer term issue is whether or not third party conduit makers stop supporting the Mac because of this move, even though Mark/Space has said they will make a conduit manager that works with everyone's conduits.

    But in terms of development focus on the desktop and conduit manager itself, I'd expect Mark/Space to make more progress than PalmSource ever has.

  10. Re:Not a smart move? Are you sure? by cosmo7 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Number of Macintosh users: 25 million
    Percentage of Mac users who own a PalmOS PDA: 12%
    (source: Apple)

    Lost market for Palm: 3 million customers

  11. HotSync is not rocket science by xtal · · Score: 4, Informative

    I have extensive experience working with the low-level serial communications facilities on the Palm platform. I've bypassed hotsync on a number of ocassions because it is overkill for a lot of things - but I can't see anything that difficult about it, just tedious. The information, at least on the Palm side, is all available.

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  12. Re:Stupid palm by luisdom · · Score: 3, Informative

    Update from the article:

    PalmSource Cheif Competitve Officer, Michael Mace, has issued a statement direcct from PalmSource regarding the issue in the article comments, "PalmSource is fortunate to have a great Palm OS developer community who provide solutions for Macintosh compatibility today. Palm OS provides an open and flexible architecture and allows its licensees to decide whether to ship a Mac compatibility solution with their Palm Powered device. (One such solution is provided by Mark/Space.) We are continuing our efforts with Apple to provide compatibility between Palm OS and Macintosh."

    Let's see where this goes...