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Rewriting Rules on Delivery of the Internet

mathin writes "A recent NYTimes (free reg required) article states that, 'The Federal Communications Commission began writing new rules today that officials and industry experts said would profoundly alter both the way the Internet is delivered and used in homes and businesses.' Things under consideration: broad band over electrical wires and VoIP. A little thin on details, but interesting none the less."

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  1. thank you google by tedtimmons · · Score: 5, Informative
    Here's the no-registration version, thanks to Google.

    And don't forget Marc Majcher's nytview page. It works well if you RTFM.

    -ted, waiting for the inevitable replies about "who cares if they require you to register!" and "big companies are evil!" and "who cares if it isn't goatse!"

  2. For those who RTFA and still don't get it... by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Interesting

    let's translate this article into geek-speak:

    The FCC's talking about powerline broadband. Yeah, we're nowhere close to a commercial rollout yet, but at least the regulators are certifying that the plans won't cause massive harm to any other communications tech, so they're about to sign off on it.

    In totally unrelated hearings, Free World Dialup / Pulver.com (who we discussed yesterday seems likely to get the preemptive ruling they were asking for that they not be subject to the regulations that the Ma Bells wish the FCC would slap them with. That battle seems over for good.

    FCC Commissioner Michael J. Copps has made his usual objections to deregulation and sided with the Ma Bells on the FWD issue, but as has been the trend recently, he was outvoted.

    Political types also gave typical quotes about the future of technology. None of which are very newsworthy, but the columnist still had a little space to fill even though he already combined two stories into one report.

    Please do not freak out. For those of you who were mislead by the headline to think that the FCC was debating the merits of IPv6 or something of the like, you can use the back button on your browser to go looking for a more interesting story on the home page now.

    1. Re:For those who RTFA and still don't get it... by OverlordQ · · Score: 5, Informative

      The FCC's talking about powerline broadband. Yeah, we're nowhere close to a commercial rollout yet, but at least the regulators are certifying that the plans won't cause massive harm to any other communications tech, so they're about to sign off on it.

      Have we just completely forgotten the problem of BPL totally killing HAM radio?

      Just some background information for you to read.

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    2. Re:For those who RTFA and still don't get it... by Zondar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Remember to tell that to the guy holding the radio the next time a disaster comes through your town. He's probably a ham, donating his time, energy and knowledge to helping others by providing communications when every other system is down.

      Be sure to tell him you don't need his help. Get cozy on the roof during that flood, cause you might just be there a while.

    3. Re:For those who RTFA and still don't get it... by pla · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Remember to tell that to the guy holding the radio the next time a disaster comes through your town.

      Yeah, sounds nice in theory.

      And what disaster, of a scale requiring us to go back to antiquated ham radio for communication, would also fail to knock out power, thus removing the source of potential interference?

      Some people in previous /. stories on this topic pointed out that the receiving end might still have power. Sorry, but no, that doesn't cut it... Unless we have a disaster on a scale of hundreds of miles in diameter, no one will go running off to find a ham to get help, they'd just use their cell phone, or failing that, drive to the next town. And, assuming help exists, a disaster of that scale would send FEMA scurrying anyway, so no need to bother making contact.

      "Gee, Steve, LA just dissapeared from the power grid, all major broadcasting from the area has stopped, and NOAA visible shows no sources of light... Do you think we should check it out?"
      "Nah... No hams, those true gods among men, have radioed for help. The entire city probably just decided to go to bed early, all at once."

    4. Re:For those who RTFA and still don't get it... by jim_deane · · Score: 5, Informative

      Who do you think responds to FEMA when they need communications assistance?

      RACES and ARES groups.

      Who supports the Salvation Army with communications for shelters and medical assistance?

      SATERN and ARES.

      Amateur radio is not some antiquated spark-gap device. Providing live, on-scene video feeds of disaster areas; establishing ad-hoc RF computer networks over tens to hundreds (to thousands, if need be) miles to transfer data and images; communicating damage reports to take load off of the public service frequencies; providing primary site-to-site links between emergency operations centers and site command posts (often with agencies that do not use compatible communications equipment)...

      The list goes on indefinitely. If you think amateur radio is something antiquated...you are way, way behind the times.

      Jim kc0lpv

    5. Re:For those who RTFA and still don't get it... by jim_deane · · Score: 4, Informative

      Those hams who responded to the NY attack did what RACES/ARES/SATERN hams (among others) train to do: they provided vital communications links for search & rescue, for disaster command posts, for health and shelter organizations, and for health/welfare traffic.

      Rubbernecking is not the same thing as reporting and serving. The emergency service portion of amateur radio had its largest scale emergency response that day, and performed admirably.

      Other instances where ham radio has provided very important service:

      Every major hurricaine;
      The Colorado/West Coast wildfires;
      The Columbia accident response.

      If it wasn't an essential service, we wouldn't be part of the emergency planning on the local, state, and federal levels. Officials are going so far as to encourage more people to get licensed: Read here.

      Jim kc0lpv

    6. Re:For those who RTFA and still don't get it... by Goody · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Some people in previous /. stories on this topic pointed out that the receiving end might still have power. Sorry, but no, that doesn't cut it... Unless we have a disaster on a scale of hundreds of miles in diameter, no one will go running off to find a ham to get help, they'd just use their cell phone, or failing that, drive to the next town. And, assuming help exists, a disaster of that scale would send FEMA scurrying anyway, so no need to bother making contact.

      Most of the traffic carried on Amateur Radio after a disaster is simple "I'm OK" messages to families outside of the area. While these messages may seem insignificant to you, they mean a lot to the people receiving them. Ham Radio may not save the world, but it still serves a purpose and always will.

      Cellular networks fall on their ass these days during a disaster as they depend heavily on telco landline facilties. People have gotten a false sense of security. Network reliablity and survivablity has gone out the window with cellular networks, in favor of shiny phones and stupid features.

      And by the way, FEMA uses HF frequencies as well. They could potentially experience interference just like Amateur Radio. Do some research.

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    7. Re:For those who RTFA and still don't get it... by Goody · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Destroying a large portion of wireless spectrum is not justifiable because it benefits more people. There are many examples of this in society where reallocation of a resource would benefit more people, but it would be detrimental long term to the people and the resource itself. Right now, amateur frequency allocations belong to the people internationally. You can enjoy them by simply passing a test and getting licensed. Once they are given to a business interest, they cease to be yours and you can only use them as a customer of that business. BPL impacts other groups including government, military, shortwave, aviation, maritime communications, and CBers, so this would have national security and international implications as well. BPL has been linked in some rhetoric with increasing "homeland security". BPL in fact takes spectrum away from government agencies directly tasked with protecting the country. So in summary, allowing BPL will ultimately benefit a few utility companies, not the people.

      Users of the affected spectrum cannot be relocated, or at least not economically or in a timely manner, so this is not an option either. It would be cheaper for the government to subsidize cable and DSL deployment. Plus, all of the services that use HF bands require the characteristics that only HF bands exhibit. There would also be huge international treaty implications with any relocation. Changes in international communications treaties are measured in decades, not months or even years. Relocating government and military services alone would take years as the FCC would have to structure a migration plan. Chances are it would be ten years before this could be completed and it's likely that power companies will have run fiber to the home or DSL and cable will finally be ubiquitous. Perhaps the largest issue to tackle, though, is where to move these services in what is an already overcrowded spectrum.

      If it was determined that relocation was the way to go, this would be very irresponsible as HF radio bands are a unique natural resource. No other radio spectrum can provide worldwide communications without any supporting infrastructure (i.e. satellites).

      The FCC has indeed "followed the money" with this NPRM, that's for sure. They ignored computer models, field measurements, and around 5000 comments filed against BPL, and took the claims of one BPL equipment vendor, hook, line and sinker.

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  3. Fuck off! by Doomrat · · Score: 5, Funny

    FCC: Let's see... we haven't quite ruined everybody's fun yet. Let's fuck with the Internet.

  4. Broadband does NOT mean high speed!!! by acoustix · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When will people learn? The ONLY meaning of broadband is analog transmission (frequency division). The term "broadband" has nothing to do with speed.

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  5. Powerlines, isn't this old news by nicolasf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We always hear about delivering broadband over powerlines, and while it seems to be possible I thought the problem with wide scale adoption is the transformers that regulate the voltage delivered to your house. Personally I think wireless will be a much better solution. Just stick the access points in the existing cell phone towers, or is that too logical?

    1. Re:Powerlines, isn't this old news by chill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      (waits for the inevitable semi-technical disinformation er, um, example)

      Okay, I hope you didn't have to wait too long...

      1. The 2.4 GHz band is crowded and going to get more so. What happens when half your neighbors have cordless phones in the 2.4 GHz band? Or worse, half of them have their OWN 802.11 b/g home networks, all competing for frequency and bandwidth with both yours and the ISP?

      Yeah, I know ... 5 GHz, etc. Rinse, repeat.

      Available bandwidth/bitrate on wired connections is many times that of wireless. The only thing wireless has going for it is convenience. Granted, that is a big plus.

      As far as security goes...once you authenticate to the ISP's network, usually via SSL/TLS, everything else is then sent in the clear. Most people are still clueless and don't bother with SSL-encrypted mail.

      In short, wired connections do provide a bit more security for the clueless masses whereas wireless takes that curtain away. That MIGHT be a good thing, making people PAY ATTENTION to security. However, I'm not going to hold my breath.

      -Charles Hill

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  6. Broadband over Sewer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny


    I saw Scottland was considering running broadband using sewers. Now that crap is fast. We're not talking peanuts either, but fiber rich high throughput with full traffic shaping and end to end tapering.

  7. Re:Broadband does NOT mean high speed!!! by irokitt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When I took my first networking class, they told us it was important the WE knew the difference, but that the general masses didn't make the distinction and that trying to correct the error of their ways was futile.

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  8. Re:Broadband does NOT mean high speed!!! by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sorry, when people use a wrong definition too much, then the wrong definition gets associated with the word in the dictionaries and then becomes an acceptable definition.

    Bitrate and bandwidth have unfortunately become interchangable terms in common culture, even though us geeks know that there's a subtile difference.

  9. How? by sheapshearer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Could someone please explain how a long (several kms) unshielded wire is different than an antenna?

    It would seem to me that transmitting "broadband" data, which will span a wide range of frequencies if it is going to be high-speed (and immune to noise), isn't going to just cause broadband interference?

    Cable modems get away because the cable itself is coaxial and thus shielded.

    Even most telephone wire is buried in the ground...

    But powerlines? I just don't see how it is going to work

  10. Re:Broadband over Electrical Wires by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    er... what about hacking?

    Can I just walk into an office somewhere, plug in my laptop (with BB over power adaptor) and wahey, I'm on the network?

    Imagine that - having to put firewalls on all your power sockets. I mean, it's essentially like having RJ45s all over your house/office isn't it.

    BB over power - hacking has never been so easy...

  11. Re:A question for all the law-people on /. by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you do VoIP around your own house, you're using a PBX which the FCC doesn't care about.

    If you're doing person-to-person and computer-to-computer VoIP with people you've already met some other way to avoid phone calls, you're okay.

    If you're doing VoIP that's connecting to the PTSN somehow in place of the "last mile", the FCC wants to have a talk with you.

  12. Re:so is this good or bad? by zygote · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can't tell, but when I read just the headline at NYT.com

    "F.C.C. Begins Rewriting Rules on Delivery of the Internet"

    my gut reaction was "Oh, crap, this is going to be bad."
    How many others had a similar thought?
    It is a bit depressing that Mike Powell's FCC engenders that kind of response.

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  13. wtf by segment · · Score: 4, Funny

    I thought broad band was a group of chicks playing some tunes...

  14. FCC Workshops by ZPO · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Broadband over power line (BPL)

    Hmm where does this fall on the good idea scale? They are talking about running RF signals over miles of unshielded cable. NTIA filed comments strongly opposing it. This horse is dead before the starting gate even opens.

    BPL is being touted as bringing broadband internet to rural areas not served by DSL or cable modem. However, if you read the fine print you'll find that the signal can be pushed less distance then either (DSL/cable) technology. This means infrastructure overbuild costs will prevent it being deployed in anything but densely populated areas. The whole rural service thing is just a smoke screen.

    VOIP Regulation

    Its not broken so why does the FCC need to "fix" it? I can't find too many examples of government utility regulation actually improving things. The CALEA (Communications Assistance to Law Enforement Act) points are moot as a wiretap order would permit them to tap the IP service just as easily as the phone line. The main issue is that the telcos see that "consumers" will now become their own providers and they (telcos) will be pushed to irrelavancy in the long term. Change and adaptation come slower to telcos than it does the music industry.

    With any luck the FCC will deliver the coup-de-grace to BPL and keeps its fingers out of VoIP other than to declare IP end-to-end calls as outside the scope of regulation and IP to PSTN as only in regulatory scope at the point of interconnection to the PSTN.

  15. thy lamp is thine firewall? by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 4, Funny

    So this sounds good..
    "Consumers will be able to plug their modems directly into the wall sockets just as they do with any garden variety appliance"

    ohhh yeah! Hackers thine evil bits shall meet the wrath of my toaster oven!!

    Will my floor lamp blink when my imClone stocks fall to $60 a share??

    Will I have to worry about a backdoor being installed covertly on my fridge and making my milk curdle?

    Will my George Foreman Grill become an open spam relay peddling viagra to all the braun shaver users worldwide?

    MY GOD MAN, HAVE WE NOT LEARNED ANYTHING FROM MICROSOFT PRODUCTS????? ...ohhh that's right... the spammers ARE the advertising companies looking for a new place to spam in the best interests of the consumer.

    So just how well should I trust the "secured" network interface of my BlendOmatic-2006XS 5-in-1 blender-oven?

  16. FEMA isn't a fan, and neither are HAM operators by Back+in+Brown · · Score: 5, Informative

    As previously covered at Slashdot here... The Federal Emergency Management Agency submitted comments to the FCC stating their desire to not see BPL go into widespread implementation. Apparently it interferes with high frequency radio transmissions which are used by FEMA and others (think HAM radio operators). You can see FEMA's comments and a FAQ on the objections (slanted towards the HAM radio operators) here Forgot to add that in these post-9/11 times, it will be interesting to see who wins, Dept. of Homeland Security and their paranoia over infrastructure or the free-market wheelers and dealers at the FCC who think regulation is for the birds.

  17. Implications of this Decision by Crypto+Gnome · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Ok so let me hypothesize and extrapolate here for a moment.

    FCC rules that "Pure VoIP that NEVER connects to the PSTN is not subject to 'the telecommunications regulations'. "

    One interesting implication of this ruling is that suddenly there's a significant benefit to VoIP providers to directly and transparently interconnect/interoperate their services.

    Instead of
    • Is it on My Network?
    • Else dump it to the PSTN
    style services, we could now see VoIP evolving to operate more like :
    • Is it on My Network?
    • Is it on the network of any of the VoIP services I 'peer' directly with?
    • Else dump it to the PSTN
    The industry already has (mostly?) functional standardised interfaces and interoperation between VoIP and PSTN, this ruling will strongly encourage true interoperability amongst VoIP providers, and transparent interoperability generally leads to competition on the basis of quality and services rather than purely on technology and customer-lock-ins.

    Now they just need to require that where the VoIP service interfaces with the PSTN they must fully support E911 and phone-number-mobility (ie like cell providers have recently been required) then you'd have a very fair and competitive environment encouraging strong growth in the both the Internet Service and Telecommunications industries.

    I mean seriously! In what way is a VoIP call that connects to a PSTN/legacy telecoms phone different to one from a Mobile Phone to a PSTN number? The only real diference is the medium of transmission (irrespective of the direction-of-calling, even).

    The "telecommunications regulations" really apply to the infrastructure. Many of the regulations specifically relate to "how can we ensure the infrastructure reaches ALL parts of the community in a fair and reasonable manner". If you *never* use that infrastructure, then many those regulations just plain make no sense, would imply double-billing (or even triple-billing) of fees or would be unreasonably burdensome.

    For example - VoIP over an ADSL customer.
    • telecoms fees apply to the physical line for the local phone company
    • internet service fees aply to the ADSL/Internet connection via the ISP
    • VoIP - so should the telecoms fees apply again?
    Now if that VoIP call connected across to the PSTN, then fees apply (ie at the point of connecting to the PSTN, telecoms fees apply to the connecting line - like always; any per-call telecoms fees would also apply, naturally).
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  18. The FCC Once Again Doesn't Get It by Goody · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Just like with the mass media ownership rule changes in which the FCC ignored the facts and the public, clueless Powell did the same with BPL.

    The FCC cited adaptive technolgies as being able to mitigate interference. The truth is, adaptive technologies can't protect receive only stations because they don't transmit and can't assert their need for a clear frequency. It's likely that adaptive technologies will also be unable to recognize lower powered transmit stations.

    It's rather ironic the FCC met with a BPL equipment vendor in late January to discuss adaptive technology.

    One of the Commisioners stated that interference concerns were unproven. There has been models proving the interference potential and field measurements showing interference filed with the FCC. There's been no proof that adaptive technologies in BPL will mitigate interference.

    So the FCC doesn't stop BPL due to proven interference issues, and justifies continued deployment on a technology that hasn't been proven to work in the field or using common sense engineering. They essentially ignored 5000 comments filed against BPL and showcased unproven "interference mitigation" technology hyped by an equipment vendor.

    It's time that the boobs at the FCC are exposed, not at the Superbowl.

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