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Rewriting Rules on Delivery of the Internet

mathin writes "A recent NYTimes (free reg required) article states that, 'The Federal Communications Commission began writing new rules today that officials and industry experts said would profoundly alter both the way the Internet is delivered and used in homes and businesses.' Things under consideration: broad band over electrical wires and VoIP. A little thin on details, but interesting none the less."

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  1. thank you google by tedtimmons · · Score: 5, Informative
    Here's the no-registration version, thanks to Google.

    And don't forget Marc Majcher's nytview page. It works well if you RTFM.

    -ted, waiting for the inevitable replies about "who cares if they require you to register!" and "big companies are evil!" and "who cares if it isn't goatse!"

  2. For those who RTFA and still don't get it... by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Interesting

    let's translate this article into geek-speak:

    The FCC's talking about powerline broadband. Yeah, we're nowhere close to a commercial rollout yet, but at least the regulators are certifying that the plans won't cause massive harm to any other communications tech, so they're about to sign off on it.

    In totally unrelated hearings, Free World Dialup / Pulver.com (who we discussed yesterday seems likely to get the preemptive ruling they were asking for that they not be subject to the regulations that the Ma Bells wish the FCC would slap them with. That battle seems over for good.

    FCC Commissioner Michael J. Copps has made his usual objections to deregulation and sided with the Ma Bells on the FWD issue, but as has been the trend recently, he was outvoted.

    Political types also gave typical quotes about the future of technology. None of which are very newsworthy, but the columnist still had a little space to fill even though he already combined two stories into one report.

    Please do not freak out. For those of you who were mislead by the headline to think that the FCC was debating the merits of IPv6 or something of the like, you can use the back button on your browser to go looking for a more interesting story on the home page now.

    1. Re:For those who RTFA and still don't get it... by OverlordQ · · Score: 5, Informative

      The FCC's talking about powerline broadband. Yeah, we're nowhere close to a commercial rollout yet, but at least the regulators are certifying that the plans won't cause massive harm to any other communications tech, so they're about to sign off on it.

      Have we just completely forgotten the problem of BPL totally killing HAM radio?

      Just some background information for you to read.

      --
      Your hair look like poop, Bob! - Wanker.
    2. Re:For those who RTFA and still don't get it... by Zondar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Remember to tell that to the guy holding the radio the next time a disaster comes through your town. He's probably a ham, donating his time, energy and knowledge to helping others by providing communications when every other system is down.

      Be sure to tell him you don't need his help. Get cozy on the roof during that flood, cause you might just be there a while.

    3. Re:For those who RTFA and still don't get it... by pla · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Remember to tell that to the guy holding the radio the next time a disaster comes through your town.

      Yeah, sounds nice in theory.

      And what disaster, of a scale requiring us to go back to antiquated ham radio for communication, would also fail to knock out power, thus removing the source of potential interference?

      Some people in previous /. stories on this topic pointed out that the receiving end might still have power. Sorry, but no, that doesn't cut it... Unless we have a disaster on a scale of hundreds of miles in diameter, no one will go running off to find a ham to get help, they'd just use their cell phone, or failing that, drive to the next town. And, assuming help exists, a disaster of that scale would send FEMA scurrying anyway, so no need to bother making contact.

      "Gee, Steve, LA just dissapeared from the power grid, all major broadcasting from the area has stopped, and NOAA visible shows no sources of light... Do you think we should check it out?"
      "Nah... No hams, those true gods among men, have radioed for help. The entire city probably just decided to go to bed early, all at once."

    4. Re:For those who RTFA and still don't get it... by jim_deane · · Score: 5, Informative

      Who do you think responds to FEMA when they need communications assistance?

      RACES and ARES groups.

      Who supports the Salvation Army with communications for shelters and medical assistance?

      SATERN and ARES.

      Amateur radio is not some antiquated spark-gap device. Providing live, on-scene video feeds of disaster areas; establishing ad-hoc RF computer networks over tens to hundreds (to thousands, if need be) miles to transfer data and images; communicating damage reports to take load off of the public service frequencies; providing primary site-to-site links between emergency operations centers and site command posts (often with agencies that do not use compatible communications equipment)...

      The list goes on indefinitely. If you think amateur radio is something antiquated...you are way, way behind the times.

      Jim kc0lpv

  3. Fuck off! by Doomrat · · Score: 5, Funny

    FCC: Let's see... we haven't quite ruined everybody's fun yet. Let's fuck with the Internet.

  4. Broadband does NOT mean high speed!!! by acoustix · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When will people learn? The ONLY meaning of broadband is analog transmission (frequency division). The term "broadband" has nothing to do with speed.

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    "A plan fiendishly clever in its intricacies"- Homer Simpson
  5. Broadband over Sewer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny


    I saw Scottland was considering running broadband using sewers. Now that crap is fast. We're not talking peanuts either, but fiber rich high throughput with full traffic shaping and end to end tapering.

  6. How? by sheapshearer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Could someone please explain how a long (several kms) unshielded wire is different than an antenna?

    It would seem to me that transmitting "broadband" data, which will span a wide range of frequencies if it is going to be high-speed (and immune to noise), isn't going to just cause broadband interference?

    Cable modems get away because the cable itself is coaxial and thus shielded.

    Even most telephone wire is buried in the ground...

    But powerlines? I just don't see how it is going to work

  7. Re:Broadband over Electrical Wires by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    er... what about hacking?

    Can I just walk into an office somewhere, plug in my laptop (with BB over power adaptor) and wahey, I'm on the network?

    Imagine that - having to put firewalls on all your power sockets. I mean, it's essentially like having RJ45s all over your house/office isn't it.

    BB over power - hacking has never been so easy...

  8. Re:A question for all the law-people on /. by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you do VoIP around your own house, you're using a PBX which the FCC doesn't care about.

    If you're doing person-to-person and computer-to-computer VoIP with people you've already met some other way to avoid phone calls, you're okay.

    If you're doing VoIP that's connecting to the PTSN somehow in place of the "last mile", the FCC wants to have a talk with you.

  9. Re:so is this good or bad? by zygote · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can't tell, but when I read just the headline at NYT.com

    "F.C.C. Begins Rewriting Rules on Delivery of the Internet"

    my gut reaction was "Oh, crap, this is going to be bad."
    How many others had a similar thought?
    It is a bit depressing that Mike Powell's FCC engenders that kind of response.

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    the future is here, it is just not evenly distributed - w. gibson
  10. FEMA isn't a fan, and neither are HAM operators by Back+in+Brown · · Score: 5, Informative

    As previously covered at Slashdot here... The Federal Emergency Management Agency submitted comments to the FCC stating their desire to not see BPL go into widespread implementation. Apparently it interferes with high frequency radio transmissions which are used by FEMA and others (think HAM radio operators). You can see FEMA's comments and a FAQ on the objections (slanted towards the HAM radio operators) here Forgot to add that in these post-9/11 times, it will be interesting to see who wins, Dept. of Homeland Security and their paranoia over infrastructure or the free-market wheelers and dealers at the FCC who think regulation is for the birds.