I feel your pain. The wife and I have been happily blowing each other away for a couple of months, ever since we picked up a copy of the original UT in a discount bin.
The original runs great on my laptop (16MB Radeon Mobility video), but UT2004 is barely playable under Direct3D, even at the lowest resolution and texture settings. Performance using the SW renderer was even worse.
As luck would have it, I recently upgraded HER machine with a 128MB Radeon 9200, and UT2004 runs like a champ there.
Guess she gets to win for a while:-)
Re:Linux games
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Dracolytch
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From what the site says, there's a software renderer that's supposed to be pretty good (They specifically mention laptops). Can't hurt to download it and try it out.
~D
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Re:Linux games
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Listen+Up
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· Score: 4, Informative
It has as much to do with your processor as it has to do with the video card. I have a laptop with an AMD Athlon XP 2400+ and a Mobility Radeon 7000 IGP. I can play UT2004 in Direct 3D mode (DirectX 9.0) at 800x600 with full graphics turned on and every option I can find without a single frame rate drop or slowdown. About 5 seconds into the game and my CPU fan kicks into high speed mode, so it is definitely using a ton of processor power. It would be nice to play it at 1400x1050 resolution though (my everyday laptop resolution setting).
Ported to the big three
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Kethinov
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· Score: 5, Interesting
I must say I'm enjoying this growing trend. As someone who owns a computer with Windows on it, another computer with Linux on it, and is soon buying an iBook, it's nice seeing that every day they get better and better at playing together.
-- You're right, I wouldn't steal a car. But if it were possible, I sure as hell would download one!
Re:Ported to the big three
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theMerovingian
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· Score: 4, Funny
LAN party at Kethinov's house!
-- "If you think you have things under control, you're not going fast enough."
--Mario Andretti
Contrary to popular belief, Linux has always been able to run games. Ever heard of nethack or xbill? Oh wait, not those kind of games?
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Re:Wait, wait...
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JudgeFurious
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· Score: 4, Funny
No problem, a lot of people are confused by this so it's not like you're the first person to get this wrong. Let me clear it up for you.
You see, in the case of the Mac they can run games but won't run them before they've been properly beta tested by Windows users. Once enough of them have called for technical support and a majority of their problems have been worked out then, and only then will the Mac conceed to running a game.
Linux is like that too.
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Bittorrent here!
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Anonymous Coward
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· Score: 5, Informative
If this keeps up, pretty soon the old Slashdot saying " I run Windows for my games" will be obsolete and you guys won't have an excuse to support Microsoft anymore.
Re:This is not right
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wax66
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· Score: 5, Interesting
Sadly, there are still very few games for Linux and Mac, and even worse, some of the games that get ported to Mac, that are important to me, aren't compatible with the Windows versions (read: Everquest). Even when they are compatible in the network code, they're often gimped or less feature-filled for Linux and Mac (read: tools for NWN, bad server code for Q3 and UT for the Mac, which I personally beta tested and filed many bugs on that exact topic). In the real game world right now, for most games, the best solution is to run Win98Lite for playing games, and Linux or FreeBSD for serving them.
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Re:This is not right
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Anonymous Coward
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· Score: 5, Funny
Remember, there's no games for Linux or Macs.
I have to keep reminding my boss of that.
"What's that you're playing there?"
"It's, um, it's a system administration system tool system! Yes, that's it! Look, [Ctrl-Alt-F1] it's on Linux! No games, remember!"
I don't like games enough to spend $300 dollars on Windows XP or Windows at all for that matter. I've bought Unreal Tournament 2003 for Mac and Linux, Halo for the Mac, and I'll buy Unreal Tournament 2004 for the Mac as well. Maybe most games are compatible w/ Win98Lite but I don't like games enough to install it.
Give it up for Assault!
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thesolo
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· Score: 5, Insightful
I can't wait to play this demo on my Linux box tonight. I'm thrilled to see that Assault mode is back in UT2004. I adored it in the original UT, and noticed that I didn't touch UT2003 nearly as much because of the fact that it wasn't there. Bombing run is fun, but Assault is much, much better.
Here's to hoping there is some level in UT2004 that provides as much fun as "Overlord" did in the original UT!
Re:Give it up for Assault!
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eidolons
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· Score: 5, Interesting
This is a boon for many reasons, but it'll prove to be an economical choice to have availability on multiplte platforms.
Assault mode is back. Onslaught mode, simliar to capture-the-way-point like in Battlefield 1942 and Day of Defeat (HL mod) is addictive as caramal-covered crack bon-bons.
The weapons are already ridiculously balanced in the demo. The mini-gun is like the original UT. The gameplay feels like the original UT, and even the theme music is similar.
The Mac platform now has the hardware (ok, we're waiting on 256MB GPUs) and the software to be a happy place. I first started using a Mac during the 10.1 (.2 if I remember correctly) days, and back then it was a 733Mhz PowerMac or a 500MHz Powerbook (again memory being stretched). A couple of years later it's Dual 2GHz G5 and 1.25GHz G4 Powerbook (for me anyway - there's a 1.33GHz available). OS X 10.3 is also light years ahead of 10.1 in stability and features (I'm not sure I could live happily without Expose anymore...F9 and F11 are that useful)
If that's not improvement, then I don't know what is...
Thanks Ryan @ Icculus!
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msimm
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· Score: 5, Interesting
Thanks to Epic for supporting the port and a HUGE thanks to Ryan @ Icculus for keeping Linux gaming a really, really good thing.
-- Quack, quack.
does it work with video != nVidia?
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beegle
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· Score: 4, Interesting
Does the linux version actually work on video cards that don't have the proprietary nVidia drivers?
UT2k3 relied on some X extensions that weren't available from XFree86. If you didn't have either one of the expensive versions of X or an nVidia card with the closed-source kernel module, you were out of luck.
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Re:does it work with video != nVidia?
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dinivin
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· Score: 4, Informative
Uhhhh... Both the closed-source ATI driver (for R200+R300 cards) and the open source R200 driver (maybe the R100 driver, but I haven't tried it) have worked with UT2k3 for a while now.
Dinivin
Addons not compatible, if history is any indicator
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IAmRenegadeX
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Being able to run UT2K4 on more than just Windows is nice, but I suspect the non-Windows ports will be vulnerable to the same issues faced with UT (1999) -- incompatibility with certain mutators and "add-on" server packages...
...arguably the most important of which was "UTPure", an anti-cheat mechanism.
Does anyone know if that were a big issue with UT2K3?
From a dual 1.8 G5 user
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DanSolo
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· Score: 5, Interesting
I must say, I was impressed last night as I hosted a listen server with 14 bots and a friend (who was on a PC). Nice smooth framerate, no noticable CPU lag, and the netcode seems to be pretty damn solid.
Looking forward to the retail version, and many hours of cross-platform goodness. My PC friends might actually like me again.
Re:From a dual 1.8 G5 user
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RatBastard
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· Score: 4, Funny
I'd have more fun on my Dual 1.8 if I didn't suck so bad. But that's neither Apple's nor Epic's fault.
-- Boobies never hurt anyone. - Sherry Glaser.
What's in the download
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Dracolytch
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· Score: 5, Informative
So, here's an idea of what's in the download that you may find interesting:
6 maps The new Onslought game type Assault is back!! Voice chat Turrets New levels Sniper rifle is back Voice recognition (bot commands)
I've heard reports of, but haven't seen yet for UT2K4: Vehicles New weapons (spider mines) Anti-Vehicle rockets Nade launcher Play from laptop!!!
~D
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Re:What's in the download
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Erwos
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· Score: 5, Informative
I agree - the Onslaught map that they included is absolutely kick-ass. Requires a bit of strategy, but not so much that bots are useless as team-mates. If only they'd jump on the back of the truck and man the damn gun!
It's funny - some of the initial reviews I read complained that the vehicles were done badly. I couldn't agree less - the ground vehicles need a little tweaking, but those air units bring me right back to the days of Tribes 2.
The vehicles also don't destroy balance, which is a good thing. A guy on the ground can take out air units and light vehicles pretty easily, and airborne units can destroy tanks extremely quickly. But, then again, five guys coming down on you with buggies is going to result in you dead, which makes sense.
The AI is good at blowing up air units if: 1. You stay still or move slowly. 2. You fly predictably. If you move like a fox and jink, they generally don't get you.
Interestingly, I also found the Assault map to be fantastic. You've got optional switches and "special events" (airstrike). There's also the cool cutscene at the beginning showing you exactly how to do the map.
Is the Ion Painter (oribital strike) weapon in the demo at all?
-Erwos
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You aren't missing too much.
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OwP_Fabricated
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· Score: 5, Insightful
I was never a fan of Unreal2k3 to begin with. The original UT was a masterpiece, and both Unreal2k3/4 feel like dumbed down Quake 3 clones IMO.
2k4's readdition of assault puts a smile in my heart, especially since they put in an actual sniper rifle instead of the awful, awful lightning gun, but most people are going to be playing the rather boring onslaught mode because of the vehicles (the new thing all FPS's MUST HAVE).
To me onslaught is just Unreal2k4 pretending it's Battlefield 1942 and Halo.
Epic: "Hey wait! Please don't go! We can put in vehicles too! See!? Please buy it....please?......PLEASE?"...god, I must sound really angry. Frownies.
Linux & Mac Users vs Windows Users?
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MMaestro
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Will I begin to see Linux & Mac clans forming solely to fight it out with Windows clans?
Re:Mirrors anyone?
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ender-
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· Score: 4, Informative
Valentine vs. UT2K4
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BarakMich
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from the who-needs-a-valentine? dept.
Uhh.. me. But aside from that, I would suggest that all those with the option of spending Valentine's with their SO or with UT2K4 choose their SO (mostly, for their own well-being)
On a tangent, I would much rather have an SO than another FPS. Why?
The FPS genre is becoming saturated. UT2K4? Ho-hum, really. Just a few new ways to gib your buddies. I have not seen a lot of innovation in the FPS market... look at the glut of WW2 FPSes alone!
With an SO, one must ALWAYS be innovative. If you look at it like a game, you must always be on your toes. Can't respawn, must play smart, must always devise new tactics -- I can think of no game that requires as much out of the player.
Uncompressing Unreal Tournament 2004 Demo for GNU/Linux 3120.................
And somewhere an unconventional fellow with long hair and a beard feels joy about this game for a different reason than other people...
-- Wenn ist das Nunstueck git und Slotermeyer? Ja! Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput.
Re:Valve take note
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Dav3K
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Your argument makes valid points, and by myself no, I do not pretend to hold enough sway for Valve to alter their product roadmap.
However, that is like saying that my vote does not elect a president. By itself, no it does not. But collectively, it does, assuming a properly run election. To come back to software purchases though, I believe that the desktop market is already starting to diversify enough for gaming companies to at least give consideration to platforms other than Wintel.
I would also agree that given Valve's current position, the timing probably isn't right for them to do this. In an open market, Epic, id and others are able to capitalize on this. As I stated earlier, I don't buy a lot of games. Tradeoffs have to be made. So I look at what I like about these games - engaging multiplayer gameplay, strong mod communities to increase replayability, drop dead graphics - from where I stand, these two titles are pretty evenly matched. Not having to install a Windows partition tips the scales for me, enough for me to reward Epic over Valve with my purchasing dollars.
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So, a good game comes out for Linux, just after I give up my desktop w/GF3 for a laptop w/no 3d acceleration. Just my luck.
<wik>/bin/finger that girl in the back row of machines.
I must say I'm enjoying this growing trend. As someone who owns a computer with Windows on it, another computer with Linux on it, and is soon buying an iBook, it's nice seeing that every day they get better and better at playing together.
You're right, I wouldn't steal a car. But if it were possible, I sure as hell would download one!
Props to Epic for continuing to support Linux! I'll be sure to support this with my money, and show the world linux ports are economically viable.
I'm confused. Mac and Linux can run games? What is this world coming to?!
Courtesy of GameTab.
So, when are they going to release the BeOS version?
It's already taken me half a day to download 150MB of the 200 total.
This isn't going to help any...
Thanks, thanks a lot.
There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure
Bit Torrent link: http://www.filerush.com/torrents/ut2004-mac-demo-3 120.dmg.bz2.torrent
This side up.
Remember, there's no games for Linux or Macs.
If this keeps up, pretty soon the old Slashdot saying " I run Windows for my games" will be obsolete and you guys won't have an excuse to support Microsoft anymore.
This guy is way out there
I can't wait to play this demo on my Linux box tonight. I'm thrilled to see that Assault mode is back in UT2004. I adored it in the original UT, and noticed that I didn't touch UT2003 nearly as much because of the fact that it wasn't there. Bombing run is fun, but Assault is much, much better.
Here's to hoping there is some level in UT2004 that provides as much fun as "Overlord" did in the original UT!
If that's not improvement, then I don't know what is...
The Mothership
Thanks to Epic for supporting the port and a HUGE thanks to Ryan @ Icculus for keeping Linux gaming a really, really good thing.
Quack, quack.
Does the linux version actually work on video cards that don't have the proprietary nVidia drivers?
UT2k3 relied on some X extensions that weren't available from XFree86. If you didn't have either one of the expensive versions of X or an nVidia card with the closed-source kernel module, you were out of luck.
--
Being able to run UT2K4 on more than just Windows is nice, but I suspect the non-Windows ports will be vulnerable to the same issues faced with UT (1999) -- incompatibility with certain mutators and "add-on" server packages...
...arguably the most important of which was "UTPure", an anti-cheat mechanism.
Does anyone know if that were a big issue with UT2K3?
Looking forward to the retail version, and many hours of cross-platform goodness. My PC friends might actually like me again.
So, here's an idea of what's in the download that you may find interesting:
6 maps
The new Onslought game type
Assault is back!!
Voice chat
Turrets
New levels
Sniper rifle is back
Voice recognition (bot commands)
I've heard reports of, but haven't seen yet for UT2K4:
Vehicles
New weapons (spider mines)
Anti-Vehicle rockets
Nade launcher
Play from laptop!!!
~D
This sig has been enciphered with a one-time pad. It could say almost anything.
I was never a fan of Unreal2k3 to begin with. The original UT was a masterpiece, and both Unreal2k3/4 feel like dumbed down Quake 3 clones IMO.
......PLEASE?" ...god, I must sound really angry. Frownies.
2k4's readdition of assault puts a smile in my heart, especially since they put in an actual sniper rifle instead of the awful, awful lightning gun, but most people are going to be playing the rather boring onslaught mode because of the vehicles (the new thing all FPS's MUST HAVE).
To me onslaught is just Unreal2k4 pretending it's Battlefield 1942 and Halo.
Epic: "Hey wait! Please don't go! We can put in vehicles too! See!? Please buy it....please?
Will I begin to see Linux & Mac clans forming solely to fight it out with Windows clans?
Copies of both windows and linux Demo Clients:
Click here for client goodness...
Ender -
Nothing to see here
from the who-needs-a-valentine? dept.
Uhh.. me. But aside from that, I would suggest that all those with the option of spending Valentine's with their SO or with UT2K4 choose their SO (mostly, for their own well-being)
On a tangent, I would much rather have an SO than another FPS. Why?
The FPS genre is becoming saturated. UT2K4? Ho-hum, really. Just a few new ways to gib your buddies. I have not seen a lot of innovation in the FPS market... look at the glut of WW2 FPSes alone!
With an SO, one must ALWAYS be innovative. If you look at it like a game, you must always be on your toes. Can't respawn, must play smart, must always devise new tactics -- I can think of no game that requires as much out of the player.
Ah, well
Uncompressing Unreal Tournament 2004 Demo for GNU/Linux 3120.................
And somewhere an unconventional fellow with long hair and a beard feels joy about this game for a different reason than other people...
Wenn ist das Nunstueck git und Slotermeyer? Ja! Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput.
Your argument makes valid points, and by myself no, I do not pretend to hold enough sway for Valve to alter their product roadmap.
However, that is like saying that my vote does not elect a president. By itself, no it does not. But collectively, it does, assuming a properly run election. To come back to software purchases though, I believe that the desktop market is already starting to diversify enough for gaming companies to at least give consideration to platforms other than Wintel.
I would also agree that given Valve's current position, the timing probably isn't right for them to do this. In an open market, Epic, id and others are able to capitalize on this. As I stated earlier, I don't buy a lot of games. Tradeoffs have to be made. So I look at what I like about these games - engaging multiplayer gameplay, strong mod communities to increase replayability, drop dead graphics - from where I stand, these two titles are pretty evenly matched. Not having to install a Windows partition tips the scales for me, enough for me to reward Epic over Valve with my purchasing dollars.