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Delays Hurt Video Game Business

George Bailey writes "Wired.com has an article (No Room for Slacking in Game Biz) dicussing the damage game developers cause themselves via delays in releasing games to market. To quote from the article: 'As the games become more complex and sophisticated, less of them seem to meet release dates that companies initially tout. A few years ago, the fallout was usually just disappointment among fans. But as the video-game industry matures and surpasses Hollywood in size, more is at stake -- like marketing campaigns delayed and intricate positioning against competitors disrupted. What's more, missing a promised release date can bleed buzz, precious in an industry where many young buyers have to take the time to squirrel away $50 for a typical purchase.'"

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  1. hmm... by fjordboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I take it a step further - ignore the game release dates altogether and buy them after they've been out for a month - the previously priced 50$ video game is now $10.

    1. Re:hmm... by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Exactly. This is such a 'woe is me' article. Damn companies are now begging. Sickening. Fucking marketing people are out of control.

      Message to marketroids: Complex software takes time. It's fucking ready when it's fucking ready - deal with it.

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    2. Re:hmm... by edwdig · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's only true for PC games. Console games tend to take 6-12 months to be reduced in price. Games that totally bomb might get reduced in price sooner, whereas games that did really well will take forever to come down in price (notice how it took about 2 years for Halo to drop in price).

      Unless you're planning on waiting a long time to get the game, you're better off buying it right away, as there's a decent number of stores that will give you a discount for preordering, or will sell it at a cheaper price for the first few days.

    3. Re:hmm... by deacon · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Hey, have you ever shipped a product?

      There is an old cliche, "It is time to shoot the engineers and move into production:

      And yes, I AM AN Engineer, and like all engineers, I have the same tendency:---->

      Fact of life: Many engineers, given the chance, will keep polishing the helmet because there is another speck of dust on it.

      Real world fact: No product is ever perfect to every customer, and there comes a time when you have to stop farking around, finish up, and ship the product!

      The alternative is to bankrupt the company, throw everyone out one the street, screw the shareholders and people who have given you credit to buy all your equipment, and start over!

      And while we are at it, let us look at this timeline:

      1400s: Astromony is too hard and takes time, plus the earth is the center of the universe.

      1800s: The sun is the center of our solar system. Germs are a figment of your imagination, plus medicine is so hard.

      2000s: Of course germs exsist, and with the proper percautions and drugs, are not a problem. Software is so hard. It will be done when it's ready.

      2300s: We have the methodology to write bug free software on time and under budget. But those matter-antimatter transporters are so hard...

    4. Re:hmm... by Photon+Ghoul · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You don't play games do you? The real world fact is that I'm tired of shelling out $50 for an unreturnable product that isn't finished. Yes, some bugs are to be expected but have you ever played a $50 game that is completely broken? The game industry has a lot of problems and unrealistic release dates from publishers is one of the worst.

  2. The real problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The real problem is companies that delay games... and the finished product is still buggy or just plain sucks. Some game companies have earned the right to delay a game to ensure quality, and game buyers/players expect that. If Blizzard says they need more time, then we're willing to give it to them.

    1. Re:The real problem by Behrooz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Blizzard doesn't owe you or me anything

      A more complete statement would be that Blizzard doesn't owe you or me, or their publisher, any money, and hence can take as long as they need to to ensure that their game is actually finished when they release it.

      Financial pressure is the real reason for most optimistic release dates, and the insane pressure of creating an up-to-date working awesome game on the schedules alloted to the dev teams is the reason that many games do not meet those optimistic release dates.

      Consider the statement "If we don't go gold by November our publisher is going to stop paying our operating costs and we're all going to be out of a job." and you have some idea why some games are released when they are.

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  3. Price? by shepd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    >What's more, missing a promised release date can bleed buzz, precious in an industry where many young buyers have to take the time to squirrel away $50 for a typical purchase.

    Sounds to me like it wouldn't be a problem if the price weren't something they'd have to "take the time to squirrel away".

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  4. What about old gamers? by KingOfBLASH · · Score: 5, Insightful
    What's more, missing a promised release date can bleed buzz, precious in an industry where many young buyers have to take the time to squirrel away $50 for a typical purchase.'"

    I really wonder if this will be true 20 years from now when gamers like me who grew up playing games and have pay checks to buy what we want become a larger portion of the people who buy video games then teens. Of course, teens have much more time to play video games then people with jobs do, so perhaps this will never be true. I do hate playing MMORPGs -- not because I don't enjoy them, but because I can't compete with a 15 year old who can play the game 8 hours a day!

    1. Re:What about old gamers? by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I really wonder if this will be true 20 years from now when gamers like me who grew up playing games and have pay checks to buy what we want become a larger portion of the people who buy video games then teens.

      You won't. Take my word for it. You'll spend the money on rent, toys (like bikes, telescopes, computers), tickets, golf, golf, big screen TV, sports car and dozens of other things. And despite the fact that you're reading this, you might even hook up with a woman and that'll be the end of your disposable income.

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  5. Big business. No problem. Move along. by Space+cowboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The games companies aren't ickle teenagers in their bedrooms any more... I've just had 'Baldurs Gate Dark Alliance 2' (fantastic game, btw) which has a splash screen saying that over 100,000 man-hours were spent on the game...

    You have a release plan, you have a risk assessment, you have risk management. It's not a one-day's-brainstorming which ends up with 'ok, next Christmas then...'.

    The larger games companies are starting to seriously challenge the film industry for revenue, sometimes you get the film of the game (Tombraider) but most of the time you get the game of the film (everything else) - that should indicate where the power distribution lies; but it is dynamic, and a lot of effort will be put into maximising return on the large investment. Just like films. Big expenditure brings big risks and big rewards. Just like films...

    Simon.

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  6. Good point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The poster alluded to this, but not enough. Announcing the product before it ships is very important for the people who are deciding between buying a product now and waiting for a better product in the near future. The announcement of the game is saying "Hey, look how cool this is going to be. It beats all other games on the market now, so save up your money and use it for this instead of the instant gratification that won't last as long"

    The speculation and occasional leaks of information are vital towards feeding the anticipation of the game, and in many cases even surpass the actual quality of the game once it is released.

    If a company decided to not advertise a game until its release, I guarantee it will not meet with the same success that an eagerly anticipated game will see.

  7. I don't know... by Comatose51 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Delaying game releases seem to work well for Blizzard. Of course their games are always backwards in terms of technology but their story and gameplay are excellent. Maybe we should worry less about sophistication and technology and more about the non-visual aspects of the story? Then again, their FMVs are excellent, same with SquareSoft's. An interesting story with nice FMVs as reward for completing each stage seem to be the common theme here.

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    1. Re:I don't know... by Bendebecker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem with squaresoft is that lately it looks like you'll end up with a 10 minute cutscreen every two minutes. Theirs a point where you have to distinguish between a game with movies in between and a movie with a game in between. Getting back to the orginal idea, Blizzard does alright becuase they worry about the story and gameplay over the graphics, just a little too much though. Squaresoft is on the opposite side, they lean towards the movies just a little too much. But both are close to the sweet spot called 'balance'.

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  8. HL2 by Bozyo25 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Had Half-Life 2 been released about 6 months ago when it was planned for, I know lots of people who had intended to buy it... and these are even people who never buy anything, since downloading games is so easy.
    HL2's graphics would have been so very advanced had it not been delayed repeatedly, but by now it won't really have much advantage over other games' graphics by the time it comes out this summer. I expect it'll still be a great game, with pretty exceptional graphics, but a lot more people were excited by it before.

  9. Re:What they should do... by katre · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They should just skip using the calendar all together and set a release date of "when it is done". It would save so much pain and agony.

    Never heard of a little thing called marketing, have we? It takes time to build an ad campaign. It takes time to get ads in magazines, on billboards, in front of people. It takes time to get distributors to carry the game. Companies can't afford to develop a game, finish it, and then spend a few months convincing people they want to buy it. They need to have fans hungering for it as soon as its released: that's how you get huge sales numbers.

  10. Marketing is the real problem. by deanj · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You know, if marketing would just STFU until there was a good solid date for a game, and not one that they pulled out of thin air, there wouldn't be nearly the number of problems there are.

    Sure, there are engineering slips, but the majority of those are because marketing (or worse, engineering management) gave the CEO a date he WANTED to hear, not the date he NEEDED to hear.

    Engineering slips because the date was unrealistic, marketing points the finger, and never gets the blame.

    1. Re:Marketing is the real problem. by pudding7 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Marketing doesn't make up the date. The date is provided to them by the developer. In most cases, the marketing team is far removed from the development team and in many cases they don't work for the same company.

      Trust me on this one.

  11. Slashgaming, on the frontlines by Mulletproof · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Delays Hurt Video Game Business"

    NEWS FLASH!!!
    EXCESSIVE DELAYS HURT ANY INDUSTRY!!!
    Please move along, nothing to news here.

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  12. Again with the stereotyping by faust2097 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    an industry where many young buyers have to take the time to squirrel away $50 for a typical purchase.

    Haven't we already seen tons of consumer data that shows that almost all money spent on games is by people over the age of 25? And aren't both Half-Life 2 and Duke Nukem Forever going to be rated M?

  13. Re:Not just games by Bamafan77 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Look, delays hurt *all* kinds of businesses. This is why most companies who know what they are doing do not comment on future products, and some (like Apple) go to great lengths to keep folks from knowing about projects in the works. Other companies who are less capable try and build enthusiasm by pre-announcing products to say, "Hey, look how cool we are".

    While what you say is true, it doesn't take into account other realistic scenarios. This isn't so much about fan disappointment from overzealous announcements, as about dealing with sensitive timing when it comes to outside collaborations with non-gaming companies(movie, toys, mags, etc). Tons of money is tied up into these collaborative schedules and unfortunately, game development (or software dev in general) isn't as condusive to predictive scheduling as other areas.

    Saying "No comment" or "It'll ship when it's done" is a lame-sounding option when partner companies have money tied up in your success too.

  14. Re:What they should do... by Rallion · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Blizzard is a fine counter-example to this. They suffer from far more delays than most companies, but none of it ever gets bad buzz--because the release date just changes from 'kinda sorta soon' to 'approaching soon-ness' and they never need to explicitly say so. This allows them to carry out their 'release it when it's done' strategy and never get anybody upset.

    And it's impossible to say they fail to generate hype. WoW beta got 400,000 signups. And, come on, the start date for the beta hasn't even been decided on yet!

  15. Re:Not just games by Dukael_Mikakis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes, file this under "duh".

    Of course it seems obvious to anybody ("delays hurt business? You mean if we don't have a product we won't have sales? You mean baseless hype irritates people? Well there goes our business model."). It's just especially noticeable in video games because they are notorious for delays (and have previously gotten away with them). For whatever reason it seems to me that movies and music generally come out on time, or are delayed well in advance.

    I was skeptical about video games being a bigger industry now, but it's true that video game sale did surpass box office sales in 2003 (interestingly, the CNN article also discusses video game delays). It feels like it's the result of the industry advancing too quickly and not knowing the general timeline for releases, or what they can expect to accomplish.

    Too often you hear about games trying to include/do too much or use technology that is too advanced. With music, for example, they know they're looking for 60 minutes (even 40 minutes these days?) of produced, committee-written whatever, a warm, silicone body to sing it and move it out the door. Gold album.

    For my money, wired is a fun interesting source for gadgets and stuff, but it's too sensationalist technology. It feels to me like it treats tech still as some miracle or black-box that is to be possessed but not truly known. It is just like wired to treat this like some groundbreaking news when video games and technology are, at heart, just like any other industry. Not a flame or a troll, just my thoughts.

  16. Hurts more than the gaming industry by Arch-out · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't know about the rest of you, but I had planed to buy HL2 and then upgrade my hardware to run it if I had to. So no HL2 no new hardware. I dont think I am the only one that does this, and it would hurt the hardware people as well.

  17. Bass-ackwards. by mbourgon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The delays don't kill a game. A bad game, released early, will still not sell. A good game, released late, will still sell. While a good game can become bad if forced to release early (*cough* Temple of Elemental Evil *cough*), I'd rather have the delay and have a completed game.

    The real problem is the hyping of games. They're hyping games that won't be out for over a year. I'm constantly surprised by games that just came out (I thought Chrome came out months ago, based on the hype back then). I suspect other people are, too.

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  18. Ship when done = Never ship by wowbagger · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "Sometimes you have to shoot the enginner and ship the product."

    Back off that flamebait, friend - I *AM* the engineer.

    If you adopt a "We will ship this when it is done" then it never will be done, for a variety of reasons:
    1. The engineer will always think up some cool new feature, and absent any motivation not to, put it into the product. It takes YEARS of experience to learn the self-control to not do this (hell, I have decades of experience and I still succumb to that temptation on occasion.)
    2. The marketing guys will always think up some cool new feature, and absent any motivation not to, pester the engineer to put it in.
    3. The Q/A guys will say "I won't waste my time looking at anything that is not at least a release candidate." If the engineer releases an RC, absent any firm schedule, the Q/A guys will blow it off and not test it.
    4. When the Q/A guys finally do get bored enough to look at the code, they WILL find bugs, so there will always be one more bug to fix, and absent any motivation not to, the engineer will fix the bug in the current codebase - thus generating a new version that must go through Q/A (see above).


    Sometimes having a firm deadline is a wonderfully focusing motivator - the engineer will say "This is a cool idea - I will save it for AFTER the release", the marketing guys will say "Well, the customers want this really cool feature, but the return on investment isn't enough to jepordize the ship date, so we'll put it in later", the Q/A guys say "We'd better check this NOW, so any problems can get fixed before release data", and you actually make progress.

    Of course, when the deadlines are not set with the buy-in of the engineers, the marketing people, and upper management, but rather are set for some highly arbitrary date....
  19. Re:The Thing by Dylan2000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You try before you buy but you had already played right through to the end and still hadn't decided whether you were ready to pay for it or not?

    Maybe I'm dumb but what on earth would have motivated you to go to the store and buy the game after you'd already completed it?

    I've heard this argument again and again that 'if it's really good I'll buy a copy just to put on the shelf to reward the developers.'. It's bullshit. Once in a blue moon I believe you might do that for a very special game but the prospect of paying $50 for something which you won't use makes a game's chances of getting onto that shelf, well... let's just say slim. The fact that you played the game through to the end, then found a bug and said

    Patch or no, failing to catch bugs like that is simply unacceptable. I pay for games that are worth my money.

    suggests to me that you were never serious about buying it. Even though you extracted its full purchase value from it. That's not try before buy that's just getting the game for free. I'm not judging you for that - I couldn't give a crap - but don't lie to yourself and especially don't lie to me.

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