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New EU IP Law Deemed Harmful
JPMH writes "The Register is reporting on this alert from FFII about a new EU Directive on IP enforcement due to go to the Parliament legal affairs sub-committee on Monday, and full Plenary in two weeks time. The detailed text of the measure was only published on Tuesday. FFII says that without better defined safeguards the Directive will lead to a far more agressive, lawyer-driven legal environment for creative businesses. Having seen how similar legislation is used in the United States, FFII fears that it will provide the perfect means for agressive litigators holding dubious intellectual property rights to "pull a SCO" and use the powers of the Directive to seriously harass and damage small open-source projects and innovative businesses. FFII has a list of MEPs to contact here." The law has been described as a DMCA on steroids. We've reported on this before, but it bears repeating...
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The draft Directive is a result of pressure brought by Hollywood and the music industry to crack down on music copying, and by luxury brand owners such as Yves Saint Laurent to crack down on counterfeiting. However, it is now apparent that the main result will not be a reduction in music copying, so much as a reduction in competition and in traditional usage rights. They seem to answer their own questions regarding stemming counterfeiting, yet they still intend on bringing out the laws. Amazing.
There will be significant adverse effects on economic growth and innovation; the European Single Market will be undermined; and liberty will suffer in many ways. What I don't understand is, if they're seeing all of this in their own words (source for the italics ), then why on earth would they bring down the house of cards.
Third, the winners are a small number of large organisations (AOLTimeWarner, Bertelsmann, Microsoft, Sony, Honda, Yves Saint Laurent...) who have been able to coordinate their activities and lobby internationally Personally I think someone/somegroup should ban together and create an international ban on those corporations who are threatening the liberties, and rights of others for their own gain. It would be nice to see the geekcommunity come together via some form of petition, but sadly I could see trollers messing things up/
Anyone care to draft up a legal go to hell for the overseers, I'll glady append the signature to it.
MoFscker
If this gets harmful, I don't even want to know what gets damaging.
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These new 'laws' which are being brought forth are further restricting our privacy and fundamental rights as citizens. As soon as any form of government censorship is instituted on the web bad things happen. Look at China for example and all of the problems which are resulting due to the increasing control of the government. Officals there have realized how the Internet brings forth free speech and are attempting to control it. This goes against the fundamental principles which the web was built upon.
I fear that the western world is headed down this path of censorship and corporate/government control.
/remove tinfoil hat
Innovation [noun] - the different ways that one may file a patent and/or sue for profit.
to start filing patents like mad. They're the new gold.
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Are they planning to make a code-freeze sometime soon, or are we gonna have perpetual upgrades?
Drives the final nail in the coffin of a progressive EU willing to stand up to big business. Fine, they're gonna rip MS to shreds, but there will only be other fatass monopolies ready to take their place and this law will reinforce the fuckers.
I'm writing my MEP as soon as possible. (Yes, I am in Europe. Yes, I am in Britain. Yes, I do like Europe.)
I'm amazing. You aren't. SUCK IT
I read "lawer-driven" as "company X has no viable business plan, and will sue the ass off anyone who crosses their line of sight."
What pisses me off the most is how it is business that has become it's own worst enemy. Do you really think the companies pushing this type of legislation care about an economy free of arbitrary government control. Fuck no! They want the government throwing it's weight around, only as long as the government is on "their side." Dammit!
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"Ours was a free culture. It is becoming much less so."-Lawrence Lessig
society collapses under the weight of its' own beuracracy and slides into the next dark ages?
Just checking, you know, to make sure I properly understand the situation here...
If European Software patents are introduced, Europe will be a technology victim, and will be restricted from innovating (dare I say) like other countries.
When will the European governments realise that software patents are/were a bad idea to implement? Will it be after their IT economy crashes? Or, several years after?
As time goes by it will be useful to observe how people will cling to an increasingly abusive state, and to see how many of them will turn on their own friends and relatives to ensure the safety of their own skin.
Meanwhile, for those of us who brave the -1 threshold I'm not even remotely surprised that this topic is being trolled to death. The corporatists have an agenda, and people trying to discuss their options threaten to interfere with their desire for unquestioned authority.
Good Luck Europe.
that's how you maxamize profit. Anything else takes too much time and resources.
Welcome to capitalism, grab your ankles.
Many companies cross-licence their patent portfolio, so they can "innoviate" without treading on others IP. Would it be possible for the public to "develop" patents, transfer them to an FSF-like organization, and use them whenever a SCO type org starts threating the OSS public?
./ readers could challenge ourselves to develop simularly obvious work.. The only problem I could see is enforcement costs time and money.
I relize that Patents are different from Copyright in that patents must be defended to remain valid.. But does it prevent any $0 licence?
People have claimed most patents are obvious.
I'm interested in what the ratio is between politicians who are fully corrupt and know what they're doing with this, and those who are simply along for the ride (and due for a swing or three from the old cluebat). Usually the two groups get lumped together. Harassing the former won't help; the latter may actually lend you an ear. How do we tell who's who? Look at voting records and campaign contributions? Who's the ugliest (which side would that make them on...)?
You fools!
The new EU version of the DMCA harmfull????
Surely you are jesting, Sir!
Here in the states, at least, the clueless ones have shown a marked tendency to listen to the "expert advice" of corporate lobbyists instead of the layman. So the end result has wound up being the same.
Intellectual Property template petition... I know someone can throw something together a hell of a lot better. Instead of critisizing it though, just do it. Sure it may sound lame, maybe banners should be posted, or something to signify that everyone can come together and have a voice against this type of bs. Yes I know sounds trollish to an extent, but hell an international group making noise is a lot more than a few people locally. Demographically this could affect everyone. Besides if thousands can come together under a free kevin like cause, certainly we all could come together for something more important.
MoFscker
a hypothetical scenario: What if enough developers & scientists threaten to leave the EU? it has been said before that there are several countries denying this IP nonsense. now, if enough developers/scientists threaten to go, CEOs and politicians should start to think about it. without these people, no innovation would happen in the union. not that there's any chance that this might happen, of course.
This sig does not contain any SCO code.
I've begun a political party here in Australia called Net Effect, which is based on the internet. Right now we only have 10 people who have decided to become members. We need 500 to become a registered federal political party, so we can get on the ballots and fight our recently agreed to Aus-DMCA thanks to the new FTA our government signed with the US.
If you're Australian (anywhere, not just living here), please visit and make your views known in our forums, and if interested become a member.
If you are another nationality, you can still be a forum participant and advise us on how we should go forward to fight this sort of thing. We want to harness good ideas from everywhere, not just our own country, and in return give those same ideas to everyone else who wants to use them. Open source politics, as it should be.
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I think those of us who are still alive half a century from now will look back on this period of time as the end of a Golden Age, before The Few Who Must Own Every God Damn Thing took the world back, and the rest of us resumed our roles as peasants. Or I guess it's "consumers" now.
Above all, FFII would like to see:
Disputes about patents and trade secrets/confidential information taken out of the scope of the directive altogether. The draconian measures being discussed are completely inappropriate for such complex disputes.
So does the FFII believe that these kind of disputes should be left to the legal systems of individual member nations then or would the FFII prefer to have the EU draft some other directives to handle them uniformly? Or would any directive on this kind of dispute be too draconian according to the FFII?
It's fine to oppose something on principle but the FFII's alert doesn't seem to be proposing any alternative solution, other than "not what you've got", which weakens their stance IMHO. If they want to make a stand on IP, then they should do so instead of just being naysayers.
Where can us non-UK Europeans find out who are MEPs are and where to write them?
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It's been said before, but there are many third world countries that can ill afford the western conception of intellectual property. Seaworld embraces conterversy openly.
I'm glad you brought this up. SeaWorld is a breeding ground of discontent and anarchy. One of its leading citizens, Shamu, is particularly notorious for his open disdain of intellectual property.
The FFII is putting out a lot of FUD about this directive. It merely harmonises law across states: it does not increase it (except for those states that have poor IP law).
The alert is couched in the kind of rhetoric that does nothing to establish civilized debate (they used terms like "pull an SCO", "nuclear weapons" of IP law enforcement, etc) but you usually find with FUD.
The "anton piller" orders (i.e. search and seizure) they get so upset about are already available in many jurisdictions (e.g. the UK), all the directive is doing is making sure that the same procedures can be used across all EU member states, otherwise copyright infringers are able to locate their activities in a low-enforcement-quality state and make copyright law ineffective elsewhere in the EU.
It's total FUD by the FFII that "In Europe these kinds of investigatory procedures are more usually associated with criminal proceedings with a much higher standard of proof": anyone with legal training (i.e. someone like me) will tell you that these orders are routinely used in civil actions, they are not "more usually" associated with criminal proceedings. There is already a very high standard of proof required by judges for anyone trying to use these orders: in fact, the proof and consequences are such that most lawyers will tell you that wherever possible try to avoid them, only use them when they are really needed: the whole purpose of these orders is to prevent an infringer from dumping evidence (e.g. flushing it down the toilet).
So when FFII blocks this directive, and then we find a commercial company operating out of a new EU member state where enforcement is not harmonised that's abusing the GPL, and no one can take action to prevent that GPL abuse, then we'll find out how happy FFII about the state of IP enforcement. I would think that it's in the interest of the open source community to look for more effective IP enforcement measures, but to prevent any IP protection measures that stifle open source. These kind of enforcement harmonisation has no negative effect on open source: in fact, it goes some what to helping the situation.
Can intellectual property exist in a hive mind?
Would it be a good idea to add a Europe section to slashdot?
Recent developments in politics have had significant impact on the rights and liberties of citizens. Where hackers have traditionally chosen to stay away from politics, these developments force hackers to be aware and stand up for their rights.
Slashdot has done a good job of reporting and fostering discussion on political issues in the USA. However, much of the badness that happens in the States, because of flawed laws and a flawed legal system is threatening to happen in Europe as well, as a result of introducing similar laws, without people being adequately aware that this is happening. Many slashdot readers know about the DMCA and its pitfalls, but awareness of the EUCD is much lower, even among European readers. Any discussions concerning the Rest of the World tend to be overshadowed by discussions about the USA.
The source of the problem appears to be the US-centric nature of slashdot. To salvage this, europeans could turn to their own sources for news and discussions concerning them, but I do not believe this is the Right Thing. It separates the communities, which favors alienation over mutual understanding, and makes both sides miss out on insightful and interesting comments made on the other side. Instead, I advocate that slashdot add sections for different parts of the world, so that readers from each part can get news concerning them, while still participating in global discussions and having the option to join discussions concerning those in other parts of the world.
Note that, although I have written this post from a very Europe-oriented perspective, the arguments apply equally well to other parts of the world, e.g. China.
Please correct me if I got my facts wrong.
... between the EU countries. What they want to avoid is the fact that a country with 'lax' IP laws could proof to be more successful than the ones with some kind of EU-DMCA.
The EU isn't 'united', it's a bunch of countries trying to equalize everything while milking the ones with some money left, Germany and France come to mind here (why these countries have to pay more than they get while being punished for not meeting the deficit criteria is beyond me). Europe is dictated by the individual interests of the members, e.g. you cannot afford to buy a decent banana from South-America in the EU because France made sure the imports from around the world except their old colonies are heavy taxed.
My point here is, since everybody is eying all others who might have an advantage, all members are easy prey for the lobbyists. The EU Commission is constantly under fire for not getting the needs of the people but ruling in favor of the big companies exporting the jobs to some Third-World country. Voting this year won't make a difference because regarding IP laws, the lobbyists where faster and have deeper pockets. Remember last year when EU-Citizens annoyed the politicians by demanding things while not paying for a free lunch at the same time?
my 2 cents
i used to think that our asian community were mad for keeping their money in gold jewelry and burning down my city whenever the police pissed them off. now i'm seriously considering where i can buy bullion standard gold chains and the best way to create a fuel bomb from readily available materials. so maybe you think now i'm mad too but it's only right and fair that our institutionally racist state cures itself by extending this persecution to all those who don't conform regardless of the colour of their skin.
we have no constitution. our judges are going to be directly appointed by the state. trials for serious crimes will be in secret with all lawyers appointed by the state before three jugdes appointed by the state with the standard of proof required being balance of probabilities. our government lies to our legislature and acts in directly contradiction of the written promises they made to the electorate whenever that's convenient. that's not a crime but possessing an iPod containing one MP3 ripped from a CD you own is a serious criminal offence.
see you in hell!
The strongest criticism of this legislation has been pointed out by Ross Anderson: Why do we need any special rules favoring plaintiffs in IP cases, as opposed to plaintiffs in all other cases?
Even if there were any good reason for such special treatment, it comes at the cost of duplicating Member States' civil procedure and damage calculation rules, making them much more complicated.
The correct way to do this would be to work within the framework of EU contract law harmonization.
I have a few more comments on my blog, but generally I agree with all proposals to limit the damage from this harmful legislation project.
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This year are parliamentary elections.
I urge all the readers from france and GB
to vote people like McCarthy (responsible for last years assault against the patent status quo regarding Software)
And Fortou (the wife of the Vivendi boss, she is responsible for this bill) out of the office!
Please first of all go to the EP elections this year.
And please vote for people and parties who are against Software Patents and against this Copyright bill!
There are some in the EP those need to be strenghened. People like McCarthy, Fortou, and Wuermeling (the german pusher for US like patent laws) heve to be kicket out of this institution by their real bosses.
Givcen the fact that there usually is a very low voting quote at the EP elections, a few hundred thousand people really can kick those corrupt bastards out!
Obviously there are a lot of Europeans here :
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Many smaller european companies refuse to even enter the US market because of the risk of getting sued. With lawyers entering the european equation, companies are going to learn how to deal with legal issues. Up to now, on the legal territory, europeans have played the role of the indians, not the cowboys.
My life is just an experiment.
91/EC/250 is the EU directive on copyright and the exemptions under which copyright law CANNOT BE ENFORCED.
specifically, interfaces between software-software, software-hardware and hardware-hardware are EXEMPT from copyright law.
whereas number 15.
it says that the new directive is "without prejudice" to 91/EC/250.
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...is to protect european technology markets from cheap, fake and low quality chinese products actually produced by american corporations offshored to Asia.
There you are, staring at me again.
Ok, see my earlier reply to this message:
Let's start the initiative then: sign this petition and add it to your sig.
I'll try to keep you posted on the progress.
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Please don't mod this "Troll", I am completely serious.
The current kerfuffle over IP, DRM, DMCA, et cetera strikes me as the accelerated approach of the logical end of the road we started going down when we first protected "private property". I honestly believe that the whole concept is wrong and b0rken.
I know, I know, modern society is *based* upon private ownership... but look where that has brought us! IP? Knowledge belongs to the species, folks. And any other species bright enough to grok it.
As for private property, the answer isn't to distribute it differently, no matter what the [Marxists, Conservatives, Republicans, Democrats, Liberals, blah, blah, blah] say. Let's just ditch the whole concept and see where that takes us! From here, it looks better to me.
Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges.
Troll?
FUCK YOU NAZIMODS
If anything, it was FLAMEBAIT, with the reference to 'CAPTAIN FUCKING OBVIOUS'. Please, next time, refrain from choosing an INCORRECT setting for moderation, such as TROLL (which this was not, true trolls try to disguise their trolling somewhat to lure you in).
I guess the wanker that modded me down is pro-DMCA, since my comment merely made the assumption that OF COURSE DMCA-STYLE LAWS ARE BAD. And thus, for it to be a troll, the reader would have to be pro-DMCA.
Fucking wankers.
I'm glad that I live in a country where such things are voted on by elected officials. To have some unelected bureaucrats issue directives seems a little backwards to me. Harp on America all you want. I'll take legislation passed by two houses of congress and signed by the president over some "directive" by unelected fat cats any day. Of course, we do have to deal with liberal judges who think their job is to write law instead of interpret it, but we have ways to deal with them.
SCO has intimidated exactly nobody into buying a license, and they are getting their ass bitchslapped all over the courts by both Novell and IBM in the preliminary stages of both cases. The potential is there for abuse, but SCO are illustrating exactly how not to do it.
If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
Would that be "European Rights Online"?
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Not sure it's all that "catchy" but...
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