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Rapid Internet Growth In Iran

securitas writes "The BBC's Abbas Azimi reports on the rapid growth of the Internet and Internet cafes in Iran, apparently with the tacit approval of the government. Seven million Iranians have Internet access, or 10% of the population - double the rate two years ago. Access costs 60 cents/hour. The article describes how the Internet is used for everything from VoIP phone calls to chat and Web logs. Even Iran's vice-president has a daily blog on a popular site with 'musings about politics and life.' All of this despite the ban on many sites, which is easily circumvented by Iran's webmasters and geeks. An interesting point is that most of the PCs used in Iran are assembled from smuggled parts and run pirated versions of all the latest software (due to foreign embargo?). It sounds like a great opportunity for open source software."

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  1. Doesn't Really sound like a great place for OSS by FisterBelvedere · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The old saying, "if it aint' broke don't fix it," seems to apply here. With no laws against pirating retail software, what would the advantage be to OSS? I know it wouldn't cost them any more, or less, so why change?

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    1. Re:Doesn't Really sound like a great place for OSS by adam231 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think you're missing the point of OSS/Free Software, it's not how much money it costs (yeah, yeah free as in beer) it's how they could change it to suit their needs, lifestyle, culture (free as in freedom). In fact this is the perfect place for OSS/Free Software, it gives them the power to change something!

    2. Re:Doesn't Really sound like a great place for OSS by qtp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      With no laws against pirating retail software, what would the advantage be to OSS?

      Establishing a respect for copyright. Avoiding (further) censure by western nations. Having a wider variety of software available to use on a wider variety of hardware, including older machines that might not be great desktops, but do make great routers. Having complete documentation available for your software. The opportunity to establish a CS education program due to the greater number of programming languages and tools in Open Source that are internet available. Having a full compliment of encryption and security software available so one can ensure privacy of communication and access to "banned" materials via tunneling, and other measures that are included in most Open Source distributions. Basic security and reliability concerns.

      I know it wouldn't cost them any more, or less, so why change?

      I can afford propietary software and operating systems, even though I live in the US. There are far more advantages to using Open Source than simply the cost factor.

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    3. Re:Doesn't Really sound like a great place for OSS by Azure+Khan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Perhaps we are placing just a little TOO much faith in the POWER of OSS. I realize that it can heal the sick, feed the hungry, and make politicians honest, but maybe just this once, it's completely irrelevant.

      We should be focusing more on the content then the delivery method. IN countries like Iran, overcoming and undermining the harsh edicts of the mullah is probably slightly more important than what version of SCO-Derivative Unlicensed(TM) *Nix verion they are running. I realize that talking about free software is important and innocuous, but whenever I see things like this pop up arbitrarily, I want to make sure you're not missing the point.

      If the president were found banging a dead 14-year-old hooker in the Vatican, I get the feeling some people here would either blame it on SCO, Microsoft, Bill Gates, the RIAA, or wonder what version of Apache the Vatican is running. (It's 1.3.27, to save you some trouble).

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    4. Re:Doesn't Really sound like a great place for OSS by adam231 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree that there's much TOO much SCO sucks this and Linux rules that and I'm not trying to get into that debate but when someone says OSS can't/won't work because of price they're missing the point.

      OSS won't liberate the down-trodden, it's only SOFTWARE, but the idea behind it, free, free, freedom, well that idea made America and I kind of dig that place.

    5. Re:Doesn't Really sound like a great place for OSS by joshuaobrien · · Score: 2, Insightful
      IN countries like Iran, overcoming and undermining the harsh edicts of the mullah is probably slightly more important than what version of SCO-Derivative Unlicensed(TM) *Nix verion they are running. I realize that talking about free software is important and innocuous, but whenever I see things like this pop up arbitrarily, I want to make sure you're not missing the point.

      But most of us here are far more knowledgeable about OSS than iranian politics (let's not kid ourselves), so we should concentrate on what we know and leave the political power struggle to the experts.

    6. Re:Doesn't Really sound like a great place for OSS by jdifool · · Score: 3, Insightful
      At last, a reasonable post.

      Thanks.

      The mere fact that /. is a geek site, with, as a consequence, a huge majority of people that don't understand a thing about politics (something else than conspiracy theories, and republican-bashing ?), and even less to arab politics, and how this part of the world is internally structured, does not imply that the average /.er must boast about the fact that OSS will bring peace and social revolution in every fucking country in the world.

      Don't get me wrong : there are geeks everywhere, with every kind of habits. And this is a good thing if Iran sees a bit of its computer field using OSS. After all, why not ? The enligthenment of one is worth the indiference of a thousand.

      But having posts claiming that OSS wil bring the "free as in freedom" concept, please let me laugh. When you got half of the OSS community raging at the FSF for denouncing the new XFree license, which is a blatant and dangerous derivative from the free software spirit, do you really think that being involved in the OSS/FS movement really tells a thing about how you consider freedom ? I personnally don't think so.

      It's just like the Iraqi LUG (a good thing IMHO), triggering +5 questions like "Do you think Linux will radically change the Iraqi's way of considering freedom ?".
      Let all us laugh at this nombrilistic perspective.

      Despite the moderation that some posts suffered, it is good to remind two useful things.

      • The Arab world is really hating the Western world. Mod me down if you want, this is true in 90% of situations. And countries building MacDonals's don't mean a thing. What we have to really understand is that the Arab people are feeling like naked people, with their culture rejected, forgotten. If I were Arab, attending an history course in France (from what I know) telling that the Renaissance comes from Italy, I would be fucking angry, because the Renaissance has its very roots in the Arab culture. Having to suffer people telling the invention of medicine without (or very quickly) mentionning Avicenna would make my blood turn blue. Having to suffer people explaining that democracy is good for Arab countries, without even taking the time to assess individual countries situations would obviously irritate me. The fact that Western countries are, on a daily, institutionna, historical, cultural basis, denying the Arab heir is just a part of what make them hate us *so much*.
      • In this particular context, adopting OSS would not change a thing. What is really important in free software ? It is the freedom credo. And nothing else. Performance is nothing, stability is nothing, freedom is everything. If you ask for people to adopt OSS, then the logical consequence (despite the fact that it should be a prerequisite) would be to ask them to free their Peace Nobel Prize. And it won't happen, at least not now (for your information, the latest elections were the most repressive that Iran witnessed since the beginning of Khomeyni's reign).

      The arab world is on a phase of transition, the one that suffered every major religion before losing momentum. Catholic church had to go through the Inquisition, for example, as a last try to retain a losing grasp on people's faith. Waving the fanatic/terrorist flag is not helping, because it just reinforce their feeling of marginalization, and also because this is not representative of the vast majority of arab people.

      And Arab people won't choose something that is not a natural evolution in their way of thinking. Enforcing democracy there is the best way of making them hate democracy : and, not surprisingly, this is what's happening right now.

      The end of my post was quite offtopic, but it is just a reminder : don't think of the Arab world in western terms. Read academic works about the Arab world instead of the NYT, or every other newspaper that don't know a thing about these countries (especially after the blinding powder of the post 9/11 assaults). Do it ; it's worth a check. Georges Corm provides excellent insights.

      Regards, jdif

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    7. Re:Doesn't Really sound like a great place for OSS by jdifool · · Score: 1, Insightful
      Hi,

      it's kind of annoying that people draw conclusion like that. I didn't say that Iran was an arab country. I drew a general parallel. See my previous responses to previous posts criticizing this point.

      Now, for your other commentaries.

      Rubbish ! Well, it basically depends where and when you travelled, and who you met. I got a very good friend of mine, from Morocco, who's been living there for 18 years, and has been coming to France to study. Despite the fact that he is from a quite consensual arab country, and is from a well-educated country, and depiste the fact that he loves France and the Western world as much as I do, he is the first to tell that the Arab and Western worlds are, right now, on fundamentally different tracks, and that they hate each other, the more they diverge. I'm not speaking here about a daily hatred, like a guy slapping at your face because you are white and speaking american. One-on-one relationships are the most insightful things you can have with an individual, but the most deceptive insight you can have on collective mentalities and thinking schemes. This is debatable, of course. But we are here for that, I guess. What I wanted to underline is that Arabs hate the Western world in their boasting, contemptuous and overly ridiculous stance. And that's all ; I never said that each arab man hates each western man. Nor did I say that there is an unsolvable incompatibility between those two words. We have some examples where the two cultures have been living together. But this is a de facto fact we ca't ignore. And I didn't say that the arab people didn't want to incorporate what the west could possibly give to them.

      But Arabs and Iranians have a lot to be proud of, and what they don't want is westerners coming in and tell them what to do. They appreciate help when they ask for it, but they mostly want to do things their own way, based on what they think are the best from their own culture and western culture.

      It was basically my point. Seeing the Western World trying to enforce their history, with their way of thinking, with their political forms that are based on an historical process, this is what makes the Arabs so angry about us.

      I've never been making some cultural differentialism. I love Arab people. I've been there a lot of times, enough to now that Arabs are kind, generous, friendly. But you can't embody a whole nation in a man, and the reverse is true too. You put my friend back in an Arab country, he would be ready to engage himself against the West, not in a terrorist fashion, but in an intellectual form that is everything but stupid...

      Regards,
      jdif

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      Let's overcome our weakness.
  2. Taking a note from China? by foidulus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's interesting to see yet another government try to circumvent web sites that don't agree with their particular world view. And even better when the web-sites re-appear under different names. Sounds exactly like the situation in China. I wonder if the Iranian geeks are learning from what happened to the Falun Gong et al. They are obviously realizing that the filters are almost worthless to people who really want to get at the material.
    However, I still think the filters are effective because they have a very powerful psychological effect. If the government says you shouldn't be viewing said material, and if caught(even though it's almost impossible to catch you, but how many people realize the true power of the government) there will be big trouble. Thus I think most banned sites just wind up preaching to the choir, very sad indeed.

  3. For how long? by DAldredge · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For how long? The 'rulers' overthere just banned several THOUSAND canidates from the elections because they where too 'progressive'.

    Once the hardliners regain control there is a good chance this trend will reverse itself.

    1. Re:For how long? by BigFire · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What makes you think the hardliners in Iran ever lost control? The mulla class allow the so-call reformers a voice in the Parliment, but more or less as an amusement and PR stunt. Pretty much ALL of the major issues that the reformers want to change got vetoed by the Supreme Islamic Council, which remains firmly in the hardliner's hand.

      All they've done is to end the charade of the democratic process.

  4. I wonder what their highest usage sites are? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    My guess is pornography, but Allah may prove me wrong.

  5. Re:Iran is still fucked up... by MSBob · · Score: 1, Insightful

    offtopic my ass! What do you think the fact that hardliners have taken over will do to those sprouting "internet cafes"?

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  6. I love the Internet. by BrookHarty · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In a big crackdown at the end of last year, hundreds of internet cafes were shut down and new rules introduced for new proprietors, requiring them to restrict customer's access to a long list of "immoral and anti-Islamic sites".

    It's interesting how every country is trying to control the Internet and the flow of Information. Just isn't working, is it. (grin)

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    It shouldn't be too much of a surprise that the Internet has evolved into a force strong enough to reflect the greatest hopes and fears of those who use it. After all, it was designed to withstand nuclear war, not just the puny huffs and puffs of politicians and religious fanatics. - Denise Caruso, (digital commerce columnist, New York Times)

  7. After The Recent Elections... by Naked+Chef · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It will be interesting to see if this continues. The reformist government is getting clobbered, and the hard-line clerics are prepping to take over in the next presidential election. Sad to see, but Iran may be getting ready to take a step backward. What will be interesting is to see what affect the internet does in fact have on this threat to their recent "freedoms".

  8. Pirated Software + Embargo != OSS will grow by yurik · · Score: 5, Insightful



    It sounds like a great opportunity for open source software.

    Speaking from personal experience from the good ol' Russia, I would disagree that open source software will proliferate. Strike it as flamebate, but given the choice of ANY software available for FREE (beer), the software that has the highest number of the most "common" applications will become ubiquitous. This means - everyone will have windows, photoshop, office plus whatever else that has high value, without any regards to price/advertising. Average Joe might not want to invest his time into less polished Linux for desktop, thus M$ is what everyone will have. Apparently, to the average consumer, the value of OSS is not stability or openness, but the word FREE.

    <begin flame here>

  9. Beneficial for Iran by Dukeofshadows · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think that Iran would benefit from imitating India. Given the proximity to Dubai (*major* international trade center), educated population, loyal diasporia, etc. they could easily become a regional economic powerhouse. Several of my friends here in the US are Iranian, and most of them identify heavily with Persia/Iran even if they were born here. That population is among the hardest working and most educated per capita I've ever seen, if they are any indication of what their countrymen are capable of then Iran immediately after the revolution would be the Korea of 1970, the India of 1980, or the Japan of 1955.

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  10. Re:pirated software by cujo_1111 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Does it even matter if they do use pirated software?

    They are not taking money away from the software publishers as most of the software is not allowed to be sold in Iran due to US export restrictions.

    BTW It is much easier to download pirate software through P2P apps these days, than it is to find pirate software shops in asia. However, DVD copy shops are in plentiful supply and are very easy to come by :)

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  11. Re:Perfect excuse to let people call open source t by darnok · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > Call open source the software of choice among
    > terrorists. If it takes hold and any terrorists
    > there get caught with it on their machines look
    > for microsoft and the government to start pointing
    > fingers.

    You're not the first to say this, but it's one of the most idiotic arguments I've ever heard. I can't believe either Bush or Microsoft would push this line.

    Have any terrorists been caught with Windows on their PCs? Are the latest breed of "computer terrorists" (aka virus writers) running Windows on their PCs? If the answers are "Yes" and "Yes", don't you think you could construct a counter argument that Windows is actually the terrorists' choice?

    One of the first things the media would do with such an issue is to consult "respected FOSS spokesman (insert any of several names here)". Do you think Microsoft would risk that person pointing the finger of blame back at MS based on the above argument?

    Equating FOSS with terrorism is both absurd and unrealistic.

  12. Re:Perfect excuse to let people call open source t by Fnkmaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I am pretty certain that most terrorists, mobsters and other criminals that get caught with computers are probably running Windows on their computers. Nobody ever says "Windows - it's the OS of criminals!".

  13. Re:Smuggled is a strong word by qtp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The point is not that it is illegal to receive the software in Iran, but that it may be illegal to take part in trade with Iran if you are a company or citizen of the US or one of its allies.

    On the other hand, if the current administration would recognise the effect these policies have been having (increased support for the Anti-US religeous right in Iranian politics), then perhaps they'll reconsider so as to allow the liberal reformers there to regain the ground they have lost in recent years.

    I do understand that our administration would probably like to have a revolution occur there due to the hardships, but revolutions in that part of the world seldom result in anything other than religeous dictatorships.

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  14. not a very sizable group by Trepidity · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The hardliners are tremendously unpopular. If free elections were held, estimates are that the various reformist parties would've won a massive landslide of somewhere around 70-85% of the seats in parliament.

  15. Re:give me a break by saforrest · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They're supposed to be unbreakable, yet those in office are convinced that terrorists are using encryption. So the government has broken it, or are lying.

    Well, they could know these groups are using encryption without actually having broken any particular message. For instance, they might have seized a computer and found a PGP installation on it.

    My guess, though, is that the government angle is all spin. This makes it into the headlines for two reasons.

    First, the government and government contractors are genuinely worried about encryption, because its use really does reduce their ability to eavesdrop. The issue of U.S. encryption policy was a major political issue throughout the 1990s, which reached ridiculous extremes with T-shirts with the RSA algorithm on them which were legally classified as munitions. Legislation is so unenforceable now that it would be hard to make it stronger, but the "threat" of terrorist use provides enough political weight to check any forward movement.

    Secondly, the notion that terrorists are fully versed in all our Western skills, and thus may be able to exploit them to advantage against us, scares people and therefore resonates with them. Scaremonger broadcasters on local news stations live and breathe on this kind of stuff.

    Maybe terrorists are using steg and crypto; maybe they're not. In either case, it's politically desirable for the government to claim they are, and for the media to report it.

  16. misleading title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Iran has a per capita GDP of USD 1800 (not adjusted for "PPP", which in itself is not exactly an uncontentious measure), yet the BBC's correspondent claims that access costs of 60 cents per hour are "well within the reach of the average person".

    While access in (the comparatively affluent) Tehran province may indeed be growing rapidly, this is not where the bulk of Iranians live and therefore puts paid to any notions of rapid democratization of knowledge via the Internet - it seems more like a pastime for the urban elite ('twas ever thus).

    Also note that all his "postcards from Iran" are in fact about Tehran. I think the BBC is in need of a major quality check. They're getting as bad as CNN.

  17. Re:open source software by Potor · · Score: 3, Insightful
    First of all, parent is not off-topic.

    Second of all, if the market for open source were limited to those who already knew about it, then open source could not grow.

    Third, it seems clear to me that if officially registered software is, as a rule, not used, then open source would indeed have a great opportunity here.

  18. Re:open source software by 1u3hr · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Third, it seems clear to me that if officially registered software is, as a rule, not used, then open source would indeed have a great opportunity here.

    Really? There isn't a cost benefit to using OS software when the alternative is bootleg commercial software. Both sell for the same price -- a dollar or two per CD. I think in Iran the government will not be in any hurry to let the BSA audit anyone.

    No doubt for servers Linux and BSD have a major role, as everywhere.

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