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Superflu Being Brewed in the Lab

Genial Generalist writes "Superflu is being brewed in the lab, an article by Michael Le Page, describes some of the ongoing efforts to genetically modify the different strains of flu, specifically CDC modification of bird flu for the purpose of developing new vaccines."

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  1. Bosh by shystershep · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This make anyone else think of Stephen King's The Stand ?

    That said, I think the dangers of this are exaggerated. No doubt it would be a catastrophe if it were to escape the lab, but life is a lot more resilient than it is usually given credit for. Creating "a virus that could kill tens of millions if it got out of the lab" is a catchy line in an article (or a cheesy plot for a movie), but there is absolutely no basis for it. I think any benefit that comes from this sort of research far outweighs the hypothetical dangers.

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    The bigotry of the nonbeliever is for me nearly as funny as the bigotry of the believer. - Albert Einstein
    1. Re:Bosh by JASegler · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Guess you don't read much history do you.

      The Pandemic flu of 1918-1919 - 10-25% exposed died, 25-37 million victims. They think it was a mutated swine flu.

      Bubonic plague (bacteria actually but just to point out a very deadly NATURAL biological agent) - ~90% exposed died, ~137 million victims.

      When europeans came to the US the diseases they brought wiped out about 90% of the Native American population simply because they didn't have the resistances the Europeans had.

      So you think a genetically engineered flu like what was in The Stand isn't possible?
      That it couldn't have a kill rate as high as 90+%?

      Genetic engineering of this kind is far worse than radiation. At least radiation will decay and disappear in 50,000 years or so.

      Biological agents mutate and get stronger through the standard darwinian evolutionary processes.

      They only reason we got rid of smallpox was there was a global effort to vaccinate everyone on the planet for decades. Colds and flu strains are so numerous that we haven't been able to devise a way to get rid of the ones we know of..

      And they want to build super versions of something we can't irradicate now?

      To paraphase from memory The Stand:
      This is how the world ends, not with a bang but a wimper.

      -Jerry

  2. Fear psychosis? by aacool · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Stories of this nature tend to bring out alarmists, Cassandras, and 'the sky is falling' types as well as rationalists and 'it-couldnt-happen-here' types.

    The tendency of the human race to both improve it's awareness of the world while at the same time endangering itself has been the cause of grief and happiness.

    This though, seems to be of little benefit to anyone, unless it guarantees a cure for the common cold!

  3. old news ... by tazanator · · Score: 5, Interesting

    sorry but the USSR plan was nukes and a "virus cocktail". They would hit major cites with nukes and lay waste there, however the fields that made crops had to be saved (we ship most of the grain they live on to them). They planned to release biological weapons on the great plains, not just a little problem stuff but things like anthraz and small pox or malaria and eboloa. By mixing the virus it becomes harder to trace what antibody the hospital needs, and the next year they can vacinate some people against what was spread in the area to allow farming to resume, 2 winters later the dieases would have died.

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    I'm told you are what you eat, does that mean I can be you by tomorrow with some A1?
  4. Human Evolution by Lord_Frederick · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've read that human evolution has stopped, because modern medicine has eliminated most of the diseases that cause death prior to being mature enough to reproduce.

    If one of these superviruses was released, could it be viewed as a way of pushing along evolution, since only those strong enough and with the genetics to survive the virus would live to reproduce?

  5. This reminds me of some of the Animaniacs sketches by Darken_Everseek · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Good Idea: Studying naturally occuring flu viruses to learn how to prevent future pandemic outbreaks.

    Bad Idea: Deliberately creating new versions of the flu, to learn how to prevent future outbreaks.

    The frightening thought is that they aren't using the highest grade of quarantine level. I suppose though, when it does get out, they'll know how they made it, and theoretically, also how to fight it. At least until it mutates naturally.

  6. Virii and toxins by miketo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    IANAS, but if I recall correctly, the problem with biological agents like virii are that it's very difficult to create a highly contagious, high-mortality virus. Virii need a living host to reproduce, mutate, and pass on their modified genes to the descendants. Airborne virii need to be extremely hardy to survive outside their ideal breeding conditions (read: human host). And a virus that is so virulent it kills its host almost immediately won't live for very many more generations -- it's an unsuccessful mutation.

    That being said, it's still possible to balance all the factors so you have a fairly lethal virus, relatively contagious, that mutates quickly and successfully. It's just not as likely to end up as a Captain Tripps, or even an Ebola.

    Toxins, on the other hand, are better for short-term, near-instantaneous death, and are more likely to be "controllable" through judicious application. Again, there are contraindications such as method of application, weather, &tc. that would warrant not using them.

    The various death merchants will keep experimenting anyway, but it's nice to know that we're far more likely to be wiped out as a species by a giant asteroid than from a little critter built in a lab.