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Build Your Own iPod Battery

OmniVector writes "With various complaints about the iPod battery's life, and its mere 10-8 hours of charge many of us are left looking for a way to keep the tunes kicking a little longer. Drew Perry has come up with a novel solution which can only run you a few bucks for an extra 10 hours of battery life out of a box of playing cards and a everyday batteries. Not bad for that long car trip where you just don't have a firewire charger handy."

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  1. Nice by iswm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That's pretty slick. Now just stick the batteries in something nice and shinny that will go beter with iPod's sexy design, and we're cooking with fire.

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    1. Re:Nice by JustKidding · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Not only that, but the two 9V batteries are going to discharge through one another, because of the internal resistance in the batteries. Current can flow through a battery (which is why you can connect them in series), and therefore at least one of them is going to go flat, even when it's not in use.

      The two AA's are pretty pointless, as the iPod was rated 8 - 30V, suggesting they just used a 78l05 or similar power stabiliser (min. input voltage = output + 3V). 3.5" HDD usually only need 5V, any extra voltage is just going to get you some extra dissipated heat, and no extra playing time, because the power stabiliser has to dissipate anything above 8V.

      For fsck sake, find yourself an EE 101 book or something.

  2. 10-8 hours of charge? by caitsith01 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    More like 4-7 hours on the third generation iPod if you skip tracks frequently and don't listen in a continuous block.

    Which is why I returned mine. Apple were forced to acknowledge that their claims about battery life may have been misleading when I showed them the Australian Trade Practices Act sections about misleading and deceptive conduct.

    My 2 cents: buy a minidisc player. Better battery life, physically tougher, smaller. What's the point of having 10,000 songs if you can only listen to 7 hours worth in a sitting?

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    1. Re:10-8 hours of charge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      The point's not toasting a cd every time you want to hear a song that's not toasted

    2. Re:10-8 hours of charge? by timmy0tool · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I still get 12 hours of play out of an old CD player(11 years old), from too AA batteries. I havent seen anything recently which managed this.

      All the recent CD players I have seen last 4 hours but have 1 Meg buffers, 2x read speed, feature, feature etc.

      I'm sticking with my old CD player, It works as I want and has the only features I need (long battery life).

    3. Re:10-8 hours of charge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I have been using an old Sony MD player for quite a while. On one (count 'em, ONE) AA battery I routinely get about 30-35 hours playback at moderate volume. I have never used any music player that even comes close to this.

    4. Re:10-8 hours of charge? by hugzz · · Score: 5, Interesting
      buy a rio karma. better sound quality (remotely), better battery life ("15 hours"), plays more formats (ogg, flac). much cheaper (can get em for $230 pretty easily)

      on the downside, they currently have no remote and cant work as a USB harddrive without the use of additional software. fortunately, rio are constantly updating the player with new features, and are in the process of making it work as a usb harddrive.

      Minidiscs are alright (i own a sony N10 [top model]). It depends what you like though. They do have great battery life, but this is at the expensive of the amp.. so thanks to their weak amps, the sound quality isn't great. they're really good for the average joe, who (shock horror) uses the stock earbuds, and is happy with things like 128kbps mp3.. but as a music fan the weak amp annoys me (which is why i'm buying a karma, and have just built a portable amp)

    5. Re:10-8 hours of charge? by Milkyman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      more recent sony discmen (discmans?) have insane battery life as do the md players, at least in the higher end units. my old discman could get 50+ hours on a pair of AA and my minidisc player gets 30+hours on one AA easy.

    6. Re:10-8 hours of charge? by cap'n+foolsy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      12 hours? i get roughly 30 hours of play (at least one hour of non-stop playing everyday for a month) out of my panasonic cd player from the same. this is with 40 seconds of skip protection and bass boosting.

      for me, the thing that's most important is that it can play my music uninterrupted, and with decent sound quality. that's why i _still_ use this 3-year old cd player more often than my brand new iRiver mp3/cd player.

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    7. Re:10-8 hours of charge? by NevermindPhreak · · Score: 2, Interesting

      the specs say it does have the external hard drive function already, though. this was the main thing holding me back from getting a karma, and now it says they have it. do you know the specifics on this situation?

    8. Re:10-8 hours of charge? by caitsith01 · · Score: 0, Interesting

      Adelaide. No, they fed me some absolute BS about a restocking fee or whatever, just so that they didn't have to look like they were giving in to me (i.e., make it look like I'm just an annoying person who changed his mind, not a customer with a legitimate complaint). So they knocked about $80 off the refund. I have since cost Apple several thousand dollars personally by advising technologically non-savvy people who ask my advice against buying Apple products. I know of at least 2 instances where this has been a determining factor in buying decisions. Ah, revenge. It's a shame, I kinda like Apple, too.

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    9. Re:10-8 hours of charge? by caitsith01 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ok... to work, 1 hour. At work, 7.5 hours. From work, 1 hour. Bam, already over the limit.

      I mean, at work I generally can't listen to 7.5 hours straight (those annoying co-workers won't leave me be for that long), but if I stop and start the thing accordingly I reduce the life to around 5-6 hours.

      Plus, I don't WANT to recharge the goddamn thing, ok? I want to charge it like my phone, maybe once every 4-5 days, not every single night.

      Plus, what about:
      - long bus/train trips
      - flying places (I do this a lot, often more than 7 hours in a flight)
      - going away from civilisation
      etc. etc. etc.

      I guess I would challenge the 'portable' aspect of the iPod as a 'portable music solution.' As an external HD music player it rocks.

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    10. Re:10-8 hours of charge? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I usually listen to my iPod on my walk into and back from work each day, and then drop it in it's cradle between times. The battery is also fine for use on train journeys, and short flights. The one time I have wished for a longer battery was when I went to Japan (24 hours of travelling, although a lot of those were spent asleep).

      If the cost of a longer battery life is a larger unit, then I'd rather not have one. If I need more battery life, there's always the Belkin Battery Pack ($59.99 from the Apple store) which delivers an extra 12-15 hours of charge.

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    11. Re:10-8 hours of charge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      You should all take a look at Creative's Zen Xtra player at "http://www.nomadworld.com/products/Jukebox_ZenXtr a/" while you may or may not think the design is as sexy as an iPod (personally I think the Zen players look a lot better, since they don't send those "look at me, I'm a MetroSexual" vibes, but I guess that's quite subjective). The Zen players last almost twice as long as the iPods on their battery (14 hours compared to about 8), come with either 30 or 60 GBs of HDD space and guess what? They're a lot cheaper than iPods too! In addition they just use normal cell phone batteries which you can buy almost everywhere, it's also easy to change them yourself so you can bring a couple of extra ones with you if you want to. Besides every review I have seen (you can google for this if you don't believe an AC...) rates the Zen players as having quite a bit better sound quality than the iPods. Please at least compare the two players before you decide to buy either one, I can't stand the fact that a lot of people are paying premium $ for a pretty mediocre device supported by a DRM'ed music store. At least I would expect the /. crowd to be able to evaluate the technical details and see that iPod comes up short on everything but design (which is subjective anyway) and at a much higher price.

    12. Re:10-8 hours of charge? by nicky_d · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My 2 cents: buy a minidisc player. Better battery life, physically tougher, smaller. What's the point of having 10,000 songs if you can only listen to 7 hours worth in a sitting?

      So a MD player will give you 10-12 hrs, or whatever, But in that time, you'd have to change disks ten or so times, unless you were a) listening to the same tracks over and over, or b) using MD compression, which gets pretty poor results IMO.

      I switched from MD to iPod, and it works great for me. A lot of the time, my laptop is with me too, so that's extra power for the 'pod. I don't make long trips away from power adapters, so that's a hassle I don't face. If I did, I'd probably buy an iPod battery pack. My MD player uses a rechargable battery, so for long trips I'd face the same choice with that; take the charger, or take backup power.

      Advantages to the MD player: it records, and it has optical in. Disadvantages: no way to digitally transfer the contents (mine is a pre-Net MD), and I'm limited to using discs. I enjoy the serendipity and convenience of 8,000 tracks of music on shuffle far too much to go back to having to choose a specific disc to play.

      A case of getting the right tool for the job, I guess. Seven iPod hours works fine for me, but might be a dog for someone else, I guess. I'd never pick a MD over an iPod, however; notes, caledar, alarm, firewire hard drive... too many bonuses. My iPod is to MD as my MD was to my Walkman...

    13. Re:10-8 hours of charge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      My problem with the zen vs the ipod, is that the zen requires drivers.

      The ipod just shows up as a mass storage device so when you drop by a friend, you plug your ipod to his computer, install a third party music manager (stored in the ipod) and swap mp3's. With the zen you need to have the cd with you.

  3. putting two batteries in parallel is not good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    placing two cells in parallel can mean that one will discharge through the other - a stack of 6 or 8 AA cells in series would be better

    1. Re:putting two batteries in parallel is not good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Sorry, but your statement that "the current would cease to flow" is not correct. There will be a current around the loop; the potential drop of this current through the (small) internal resistance of the batteries is what causes the voltage to even out. But that current can be very large causing a lot of heating of the batteries.

      You are correct, however, that effect is not too bad if the batteries are closely matched (i.e. bought from the same package at the same time and always used together so they discharge equally).

  4. Card box? by darketernal · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Seems to me that should the battery deal go wrong, the card box is very conducive to fire.. fire on batteries... box go boom?

    That's me being paranoid, but I recently heard of a colo facility destroyed - burned to the ground - by exploding batteries.

  5. NetMD by caitsith01 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Well, with a NetMD minidisc recorder it takes a few minutes to transfer whatever you want onto a minidisc. I can live with that. Furthermore, it will play for around 30 hours on an AA battery, so if you take half an hour to organise a few LP MDs you're set for days of music.

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  6. If you have a 1 or 2G ipod... by Xyde · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As I do, if you've ever taken it apart you'll notice there is quite a bit of space left in there. The battery is quite thin. I've often wondered if you could just buy another battery from say www.ipodbattery.com and install it internally, coupled in parallel with the original one. (same voltage, twice the capacity) Any EE's could verify if this would work?

  7. Don't believe the hype by caitsith01 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yes, have second thoughts! I'm not proposing that iPods stink or anything of the sort, but if you are like me, i.e. serious about listening to a lot of music rather than looking at a shiny white thing, then iPod may not be the ideal solution. I am on the move a lot, and for me an average of 6 hours playback was just never going to cut it.

    With NetMD, using Sony's (admittedly pretty shite) software you can easily transfer MP3s onto minidiscs in no time. The program takes your MP3, converts it into a (seperate) MD-formatted audio file, then copies it via USB to the MD player. By ripping and maintaining your own MP3s outside the Sony software managing your music is pretty straightforward.

    Minidisc uses ATRAC, see here: http://www.minidisc.org/aes_atrac.html

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  8. Re:Infinite battery by tracker1972 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Good point :-)

    Could leave it on the window sill next time you have a power cut though. Sorry, don't live in the states, didn't mean to be insesitive!

    Solar chargers always seem like top ideas though. Small panel, top of rucksack, just to keep topping up whatever, hell it would just work a radio, but just to streach the life of an iPod to an hour or so more? Might just make a day out then? If it's sunny enough.

    Tracker.

  9. Re:good luck... by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Contrary to popular belief, airport security personnel aren't exactly smart.

    Two recent examples for you:

    1. A passenger from Germany who was stopped and detained for having wires protruding from her jacket. It was nothing more than an ordinary electric jacket as used by bikers for the last twenty-odd years but that didn't stop the security guys from treating the passenger like a terrorist.

    An example of them getting it wrong by going overboard.

    2. A Sudanese man who was stopped at Heathrow with five live bullets in his coat. The man had just travelled from Washington DC, and the fact that someone was carrying live ammunition onto an aircraft was totally missed by the security in DC. So, security at Washington is so tight that you can get munitions onto a transatlantic aircraft without being spotted.

    An example of them getting it wrong by making basic mistakes.

    Remember, these are the people who insist on everything going through an x-ray machine, even materials that are highly sensitive to rays and easily damaged, because they know best and because the machines are "harmless".

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  10. Re:good luck... by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Interesting
    explaining your stack of batteries when it shows up on the x-ray at an airport. ;)
    They seem to be able to tell batteries and bombs apart on the X-ray (at least I hope so). I had no trouble with security when I took a dive-light through... basically a flashlight encased in a big, heavy, watertight aluminum casing... the thing looks exactly like a pipe bomb. They asked me to open it up and show the innards, which I couldn't, since it's all sealed tight. They asked me to turn it on, and again I couln't comply: you're supposed to remove the bulb from these things when moving them.

    Then they just waved me through.
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  11. Problems, problems, problems... by fmaxwell · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The first problem with the battery pack is that it is grossly unbalanced. He shows alkaline batteries in it, so let's cruise on over to www.energizer.com and get some specs. A 9V Energizer has 625mah while AA Energizers have 2850mah capacity. Parallel the two 9V and you are only up to 1250mah, which means that the two 9V batteries will be dead before the AA cells are even half of the way used up.

    Next, he is using expensive and environmentally harmful alkaline batteries rather than NiMH rechargeables. According to the EPA, Americans throw away 2 billion non-rechargeable batteries per year -- almost all of which end up in landfills. The single largest source of mercury in garbage is alkaline and button cell batteries. He took an iPod that had a battery pack that could be recharged for about a year and a half and made an alkaline pack that has to be thrown away every ten hours! It's projects like the one described here that make me think that the feds should ban all non-rechargeable batteries bigger than button cells.

    Since the iPod would run on anything from 8-30V, he would have been a lot smarter to use 8 AA NiMH batteries in a case like this or this.

    1. Re:Problems, problems, problems... by fmaxwell · · Score: 2, Interesting

      do you know of anyone who will accept batteries for recyclying or safe disposal?

      A better question is whether the company is actually recycling the batteries. I saw that one person recommended dropping dead alkalines off at Radio Shack, but I've seen Radio Shack employees throw fistfuls of dead batteries in the trash. I'm sure that they'd love to lure you into the store on a regular basis with the promise of recycling batteries, but will they recycle them? I don't know.

      There is a firm called Toxco which recycles alkaline batteries (as well as lithium and other types). They have a rather short page of companies that use battery recycling services (Radio Shack is not on their list). You might contact them (see their contact page) and ask if they have customers that accept alkaline batteries for recycling.

      As to "safe disposal", there is no such thing for alkaline batteries. You can't dispose of 2 billion batteries per year without an environmental impact.

  12. Re:Never have batteries in parallel! by Bushcat · · Score: 4, Interesting
    My computer's battery pack, which happens to be laying disembowelled in front of me at this very moment, consists of 6 cells arranged in 3 sets of 2 cells in parallel, connected serially.

    Nothing wrong with parallel connections as long as you charge them either conservatively or intelligently. Note the final design shown in this article actually shows primary cells. Firstly they're nominally non-rechargable, secondly their internal resistance prevents any thought-provoking excursions in the temperature and noise domains.

  13. Re:good luck... by torpor · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Anecdotal evidence at best. Answer me this question smartie:

    How many thousands and millions of times did Airport Security Personnel accurately spot and identify a battery/electronic posession of a passenger and determine that it was in fact safe?

    Just because you've 'heard of this in the news' doesn't mean that your analytical powers are sufficient to accurately determine reality in a scenario you've had no direct experience with. You're not looking at the entire scene here: count the success as well as the failure and then compare.

    Personally, I've known quite a few very intelligent security people, and had no problems with them whatsoever.

    Your two anecdotes prove your argument, though. Sharp...

    Remember, these are the people who insist on everything going through an x-ray machine, even materials that are highly sensitive to rays and easily damaged, because they know best and because the machines are "harmless".

    "I'll ignore the fact that most 'x-ray machines' installed at major airports are in fact far more than 'x-ray devices' and do more than just 'x-ray' things, and imply that because those passengers (such as myself) are so smart, they're bringing super-sensitive materials with them through the airport security screeners, who are all sooooo stoooopid ..."

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  14. Re:good luck... by Wuffle · · Score: 5, Interesting

    On a flight from LA to San Francisco I recently took all i was taking was my rucksack as hand luggage, in it was my digital camera, a 12-pack of Duracell batteries with only eight still in the packet, four being in my camera, and my iPod and a few other bits and bobs.

    My bag got flagged by the security staff and so first I was ordered to sit down in some waiting area type place while they swabbed my bag (I presume for trace explosives or something) and put it through the scanner again.

    I was then given a pat-down body search, my shoes had to be taken off, put through the scanner and then swabbed, my bag was then taken away by one of the staff and I was told to wait while they tested that the batteries were actually batteries or something. I wasn't told, just ordered to sit and wait.

    So after 30mins of my time wasted they decided to let me go on my merry way. What really got on my nerves is that there were no 'please' or 'thankyous' uttered by any of them, I felt as if I had done something wrong or was being treated badly just for having batteries in my bag.

  15. Re:good luck... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Excellent! I'll wait for integrated cold fusion battery for iPod. Then I'll be arrested for some form of an atomic weapons violation.

    BTW, did you know that sending zalmiak candies from the EU to the US is quite difficult? Zalmiak is ammonium chloride so it's made of ammonia and chlorine which are hazardous chemicals. I know a Finnish girl who tried to send zalmiak to her friend in the US. The clerk at local post office said that sending zalmiak to the US is not possible without a specific licence. Nice! One more terrorist girl stopped again!

    Some (non-rechargeable) batteries also contain ammonium chloride so maybe it is equally difficult to send batteries to the US. Or maybe Apple iPod loaded with these batteries is a diabolic doom device! MWAHAHAHAHAA!

  16. Re:Charging Problems UNSAFE by waterbear · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'll give you an opportunity to go into more detail about those "extreem inbalances".

    I'll bite: just to explain the problem with connecting batteries in parallel:

    The 9v batteries in parallel have the same nominal voltage, but almost inevitably will slightly differ in actual voltage. The difference voltage tends to drive current around the circuit composed of the two batteries in parallel. There is only very low impedance in that circuit if the batteries are reasonably new and full of charge.

    As a result, the idle circulating currents can build up to high values and cause heat dissipation problems, perhaps damaging the batteries and severely limiting the useful life of the arrangement.

    Since the whole point is to get longer life, that looks a bit self-defeating.

    A simple solution is to include a series diode with each battery. The loss of about 0.5v overall will not be appreciable because of the wide iPod voltage tolerance.

    -wb-

  17. Battery Mod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    One thing i have yet to see anyone use... if its rated for 8 - 30 volts use 2 7.2v RC racing packs in series those things were designed for Horrendous discharge rates ive used them on older notebooks with great success i figure an ipod would run for upwards of 40 hours on a pair of good sanyos

  18. Use an ipod battery? by JasonEngel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wonder if it would be possible to make something like this external pack using an actual ipod battery (available at several online stores). Put it in a small project box of some sort with a firewire port on it and maybe some sort of led/light/whatever to indicate if it is charged.

  19. Re:Infinite battery by Quasar1999 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Solar iPod? You'd need about $150 in solar cells just to make the damn thing spin it's HD up. And then there's the logistics problem of the device not having enough surface area, so you'd need to put a huge adapter on it (goodbye small and portable)...

    I tried this idea already... thought I could make millions... instead I wasted $150... ugh.

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  20. Which pins to use on the firewire socket? by scottme · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't see anywhere in the article which pins on the firewire socket one has to connect to pos & neg from the batteries. I'd want to be real sure I got that right before plugging a gizmo like this into my iPod.

    On second thoughts, I suppose all it takes to discover this is a multimeter and the Apple charger.

    Still, it would be a nice addition to the article if he would explain that.

  21. Re:good luck... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm an X-ray tech. Batteries and bombs look completely different.

    Bomb material is generally much less dense than battery contents, for example. Plastic explosives have signature densities, and are displayed using a red tone on the monitor. It's funny, because meat has a desnity very close to that of plastic explosive, so it's highlighted red as well.

    Batteries, made of lead are displayed black. They block x-rays very well--there's no mistaking batteries for any explosive material; unless they packed some of the batteries with PE, and lead-lined them. In which case you couldn't tell the difference, except that the PE batteries would have extra wires going to them.

    If you want to make a tech nervous, get a steak (no bone), a couple batteries, a PCB with random components on it, and run a couple leads over to the steak, and use 14-ga amphenol pins as probes into the steak. that'll get you a strip search, with the possibility of a free prostate exam.

  22. Belkin Battery Pack by anamexis · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm still waiting for plans for a homemade Belkin battery pack.
    The difference?
    The belkin packs, as you may have noticed, use only 4x1.5V. They don't charge the iPod battery, they power the iPod, getting 15-20 more hours of playtime, a better solution to me. This is probably done by jumping a pin in the proprietary dock connector of the iPod.
    If someone could figure out which pin to jump or otherwise how to make this, it would be a wonderful solution.

  23. Re:Belkin Backup Battery by madpierre · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hmmm. A poster further up said he thought the ipod used a 78L05
    linear regulator (or some equivalent) and from what i've been
    reading I tend to agree. It would certainly seem to explain the
    ipods rather crappy power management. These linear regulators
    have a quiescent current in the order of milliamps which is just
    dumb (in this day and age) for a battery powered device. It is
    however cheap, which is presumably why apple went this way (if they
    did) rather than opt for a more efficient micropower regulator with
    microamp quiescent current draw. Perhaps they should've farmed out
    the electronics to SONY and just stuck to designing the enclosure.

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  24. Re:good luck... by shamino0 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    You know, if you're really worried about your equipment going through the scanner, at a lot of airports, you can request a manual examination of the equipment.

    Have you actually tried to request this?

    Last year, I tried requesting a hand inspection of a box of floppy disks, because I was afraid of possible X-ray damage (they were about 20 year-old 5.25" disks with programs that it would be hard to replace these days.) The security person said "sorry, we can't do that. Put it through the machine or you can't take it on the plane."

    I decided to not start a fight over this, since I don't relish the idea of being arrested 3000 miles from home. I consider myself lucky that the disks didn't get damaged.