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MIT Professor Michael Hawley

cyranoVR writes "Today's CBS This Morning ran an interesting profile on MIT Professor Michael Hawley. Aside from recently publishing a super-jumbo-sized book about the Kingdom of Bhutan, he has invented (among other things) an interactive kitchen counter, designed a heart monitor embedded in jewelry, contributed to the MIT Toys of Tomorrow project and has written several classical compositions for piano. What really struck me was Hawley's observation that 'today's computers aren't musical enough.' For him, there is 'no difference between an ivory keyboard and a QWERTY keyboard.' I think it's a good thing that the mainstream media is starting to show how 'computer nerds' (as the correspondent identified Hawley) can be rich individuals with much more to their lives than hardware upgrades, programming languages and pocket protectors."

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  1. nerds? by chrisopherpace · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "I think it's a good thing that the mainstream media is starting to show how 'computer nerds' (as the correspondent identified Hawley) can be rich individuals with much more to their lives than hardware upgrades, programming languages and pocket protectors." There is? Since when?

  2. Lies!!! by Piethon · · Score: 5, Funny

    "with much more to their lives than hardware upgrades, programming languages and pocket protectors" Lies! There cannot be anything more to life!

  3. Why care? by Bryan+Ischo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For what it's worth, I'm a computer nerd and I could not care less how the mass media portrays me. Why should I? Why do you?

    1. Re:Why care? by eraser.cpp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It isn't so much the rediculous ways that computer nerds are portrayed as it is the public reaction. Although I firmly believe in the notion that anybody who would think like that I am better off not associating with it is an unnecessary handicap to my already socially introverted self.

    2. Re:Why care? by peeping_Thomist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why should I? Why do you?

      Pretty girls get their ideas about computer nerds from the mass media.

      --
      Anything worth doing is worth doing badly -- G.K. Chesterton
    3. Re:Why care? by bkaster · · Score: 5, Insightful

      For what it's worth, I'm a computer nerd and I could not care less how the mass media portrays me. Why should I? Why do you?


      Well, media portrayal has a direct influence on your standing in society. Your standing in society has a direct influence on your life (ever notice the difference in the way people treat you depending on the way you dress?). More important than the way people treat you, look at mathematics in Europe. There the funding of departments is often very linked to the number of students they have (in one way or another). Mathematics being uncool certainly means fewer students, which in turn gives problems with the funding. I think for computer science there are currently no such issues (there is enough coolness, and there are other factors at work), but on the long run influence of the picture society has of a group of people is certainly important.

      What I am saying is that it is reasonable to care about the image in society, certainly not that one should take a current picture personally.

      Best,
      Bart
    4. Re:Why care? by 22mcdaniel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Media portrayal is extremely important for the development of new talent. I think a lot of young people, especially young women, are turned off from the sciences and other technical fields because of misconstrued ideas of what the respective work enviornment is like.

      Personally, if I didn't fall into the sciences by chance, and had to choose a discipline by wading through the different offerings, I might have been discouraged from physics. Who wants to spend their days around reclusive wierdos who are so engaged in their work that they have little interest or time for social activities?

      You latter learn that this is (mostly) false, but sometimes that knowledge requires actually getting involved in the discipline. Maybe SesameStreet should introduce Bob, the CS swinger. :)

    5. Re:Why care? by wolf- · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Bryan,

      I tend to agree with you on that. I am definitely NOT wrapped up in what the media thinks I am, or what society is told by the media I OUGHT to be.

      I'm a 31 year old 'computer nerd'. When not at a PC working or gaming, I'm playing the banjo (yeah, a real hip instrument) or knee-boarding (yeah, that old 80s summer time sport) on the lake with my wife (pretty, smart wonderful girls CAN love a geek) and my kids, or in the off lake season, playing soccer.

      I'm not making hundreds of dot.com dollars a year, but nor am I putting in the 80-90 hours a week either. But I get a heck of a lot of free time to spend with the family and friends.

      If I were the fat slob that the media likes to think that ALL geeks are, I'd be into my first heart bypass and wondering how much longer that ticker was going to hold.

      --
      ----- LoboSoft specializes in Digital Language Lab
    6. Re:Why care? by JGski · · Score: 4, Insightful
      :-) I'm always amused by techie's comments like this, in part because I used to say exactly the same thing when I was in my early 20s.

      The reality is that value of your smarts to society as a whole is entirely fungible (your word-of-the-day) and largely determined by that image, for better or for worse. You may have your own internal compass of self-worth; bravo! it's a wonderful thing and I don't begrudge you it. But it won't buy you a cup of coffee.

      The mass media is simply a reflection of a greater collective value assertion on your community and indirectly on you personally. You (like every other human being) have limits to your brilliance, power and control. One of those limits is on how you are valued in terms of economic and social resource allocation. Your allocation of those resources (aka Jobs, Mates, Favors, Respect, etc.) are solely dependent on your value to others as that value is perceived by others. Your only means of control is to be aware of and exert influence on that perception (sometimes called "marketing yourself" - yes, I know, despicable).

      Is it unfair that people may judge your value as a person based on a stereotype of "the nerd"? Yes and no. They have a right to decide how to allocate the resources they possess; with that includes the right to decide the means for testing and assessing the value of what will be exchanged (you, your personality and your skills) for those resources. A lot of people might think justifications for case-modding and overclocking are unfair and foolish ways of valuing resources. But it's your money, your case and your CPU, and thus your right to decide how you chose to make your value decisions.

      People use stereotypes and perceptions to avoid thinking too much. This is anathema to nerds since we do a lot thinking, enjoy thinking and respect thinking. Nonetheless, thinking takes time and energy. An entirely rational strategy followed by most humans is to "play the numbers" and use heuristic substitutes for detailed analytic thinking. If the heuristic is right 80% of the time but you spent only 20% of the effort that thinking would require, aren't you ahead of the game? Absolutely. But we nerds do it also.

      Ask yourself this: do I rationally analyze every purchase I make or do I mostly just buy a brand I know? I mean, absolutely every purchase; like every time I buy toothpaste do I send it out for analysis to assure quality control? Of course not. You buy <insert your familiar brand> rather than intensely investigate what you're buying each time you make a purchase. This is what "branding" is: sidestepping the cost of rational economic analysis by relying on a symbolic representation and promise of a product that meets a need. You choose (explicitly or implicitly) to hold a belief that the product does what you expect, for example, due to the presumption that manufacturing is performed according to familiar, rational practices and processes so that the next time you buy a Coca Cola or an Athlon, it will probably be just as good as the last one. This is reasonable, but not a strictly rational belief or axiom. You are playing the odds on it, using your own stereotype (aka a brand perception) to convince yourself that you don't need to think about it. Go to some developing nation some time and you'll see product quality variance that may force you to question that assumption.

      So why do I (you) need to worry about what the mass media thinks about me? Well, I won't say "worry" is the right word. Specifically, your value to society is on the line with how you and your profession is perceived. Economic, social and romantic decisions are being made right this minute based on it! You should be aware of the implications of what a negative image means in terms of your career and personal satisfaction. How important those are to you is your privilege to decide how important you decide they are

    7. Re:Why care? by Thomas+Shaddack · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Smart girls are aware about the distortions of mass media. This at least filters out the ones that are pretty but dumb.

      The prettiest part of a girl should be her brain.

  4. Coding as an artform by Space+cowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've always considered coding to be an artistic pursuit - the perfect form, in coding's case, is the elegant form IMHO - the creation of the simplest tool to do the job well (and fulfill the requirements spec, of course :-). In music, the art is the whole expression: the rise and fall in volume, the tempo changes, the different instruments, the silences, the mood-creation. Music is the pursuit of immersion. Coding is the pursuit of elegance. At least for me.

    On the other hand, I can't really see "Spreadsheet in D minor" becoming too popular... entering incrementing data by performing a crescendo on the keyboard will take a while to catch on :-)

    So whereas there are similarities, I think there are differences too, and I think the two input mechanisms reflect that. There is the other point that not all of us are maestro's with a musical instrument... the user-interface of the ivories might be slightly less user-friendly than the traditional QWERTY (or AZERTY, or whatever is your poison :-)

    Simon

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    Physicists get Hadrons!
    1. Re:Coding as an artform by nodwick · · Score: 3, Interesting
      So whereas there are similarities, I think there are differences too, and I think the two input mechanisms reflect that. There is the other point that not all of us are maestro's with a musical instrument... the user-interface of the ivories might be slightly less user-friendly than the traditional QWERTY
      The primary difference is that keys on a keyboard are binary input while piano keys are analog. How hard you strike them, your angle of approach, and other factors all combine to let you vary the sound you get. People have tried to model pianos (most notably via "digital pianos", which have been around for a long time now), but among musicians they're still considered to be tonally inferior.

      I disagreed with the article quote that "For [Hawley], there is 'no difference between an ivory keyboard and a QWERTY keyboard'."I think the key will be to recognize that electronic music and the more classical type both have their own qualities and complement, rather than replace, each other. Sort of like how electric, acoustic, and classical guitars are all similar instruments but each have their own sound -- none is meant to replicate any other one.

    2. Re:Coding as an artform by cybin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have to disagree with you on this -- as both a composer and programmer in several languages - coding is not the same as creating artworks. In order for computer code to be useful, it has to make sense and operate logically. Art is in direct opposition to this -- it exists on the border (and sometimes across the border) of interpretation and the abstract. Computer code is not open to interpretation - it runs the way it was written to run. It doesn't match the same way a performer can offer a different interpretation of a work.

      What you are talking about is "Craft" -- and yes, art involves craft too, that's why we study the technical aspects of piano, how the overtone series works, etc. And coding can be done "artfully" -- but the final product is not "Art".

      A side note, I really don't want to get into a flame war over this, I'm just respectfully disagreeing, because I know we can argue about this for the next century :)

    3. Re:Coding as an artform by kid-noodle · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And I was right, sorry to reply to my own comment, but here is a link to the new scientist article on debugging by ear.

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      fortune -o
    4. Re:Coding as an artform by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I made a post while back on the subject of 'musical' passwords. As a pianist and drummer I have developed an interesting technique to use very long complicated passwords and enter them very quickly. They have the property that they are deformable shapes, in space and sequence/time, very like melodic phrases. I enter these on a normal ascii keyboard, thus:

      ijihijhijihijhi
      popipoipopipoip
      uyutuytuyutuyt u

      All these are the same passwd transposed,
      thats 3 in less than a second (not checked them for accuracy) You can get VERY quick at it and use secure passwords with great accuracy. The security comes from the sequence length not the diversity, I use 3 fingers, a better pianist/typist would use more.

      They have another interesting property.
      I can 'not know' the password and be able to enter it, if you ask me what it is I cant tell you. I have to sit at the keyboard and retreive the motor sequence to type it, then I can read it back and tell you.

    5. Re:Coding as an artform by fcw · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As someone who has been typing for about thirty years, and playing the piano (for some loose definition of 'playing') for about two years, I have to say that I think my typing habits interfere with my playing.

      Specifically, I don't type in tempo, but I have to play in tempo, and I find this extremely hard -- I always want to play ahead on the easy passages, and slow down on the harder ones. Plus, I'd kill for a backspace on the piano.

      Ultimately, my playing's only ever much use in short bursts, and I basically use the computer to play things back properly.

      I prefer singing and playing violin anyway -- I think the completely different mode of physical interaction with the violin from a keyboard makes the violin much easier for me to handle, since there's no danger of habits from using one showing up in the use of the other. (And I think the violin and the voice are much more interesting musical instruments than the piano.)

    6. Re:Coding as an artform by SlowMovingTarget · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well said. I've often found well-written code (my own or that written by others) to be beautiful, but it cannot be called art. I've appreciated a spare user interface that leads the user to natural patterns of work, aiding the user through thoughtful metaphor and tasteful selection of color. But this was not art. As you say, it was the craft of someone artistic.

      I've often thought that craftsmanship was an expression of loving care toward those who will use the thing being built; whether conscious or not. Art, from my perspective, is an expression of meaning, an act of exposing (or hiding) one's self to an audience. The intent is different.

      I too have created art as well as crafted code. But not at the same time. I think game designers come the closest to doing that (Sid Meier comes to mind).

    7. Re:Coding as an artform by jallen02 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ahh, yes but one programmers representation of an orderly set of bytes to accomplish a task can be quite different from another programmers set of bytes that accomplish the same task. What if the end result is not the art? What if the art is in the creation and representation of what creates the end result?

      So, even though in the end you ARE bound by a structure of some sort I think that creative thought processes lead to better representations of said orderly structure (code). It most definitely is NOT a traditional form of art, but when I sit down and look a particularly well written function that is simple and "elegant" it inspires me in a great way. Almost the same way as when I see a great photograph that has several complex "artistic" elements involved (IE: Not just a snapshot, a serious well done picture meant to cause you to think).

      Since I also enjoy photography and auto mechanics quite a bit I see parallels in ways most people would just discard. Photography is closer to "traditional" art. And I feel inspired the same way when I see a great photograph. Or when I see someone who is doing serious non factory work on their 800hp car and they come up with an "out of the box" solution. Or when I see someone lay some code out so well and so ingeniously that I think, "how would you do it any other way?". It is all inspiring at some level.

      So what this boils down to is that art is in the eye of the beholder, truly. Just because it is not traditional art does not mean it isn't art to others. I look at some paintings considered masterpieces, even with the prerequisite knowledge on why this picture is great and have a hard time accepting the creative genius in certain aspects of a painting. The creative genius in a well done piece of code seems much more obvious to me, thus much more artful.

      Its all a matter of perspective, as so much is in life.

      Jeremy

    8. Re:Coding as an artform by cybin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You definetly make a lot of excellent points here -- and it is a matter of personal perspective.

      I guess a big part of this for me is that people who have the innovative instincts required to write the elegant code we're talking about sometimes confuse that with creativity in its most narrow definition -- fostering the creation of something new. Solving problems on the computer can lead to creative ends through innovation.

      The code that I write on my signal processing software is ultimately used as a tool for the creation of electroacoustic music. Lots of this kind of music is all about the process used to create it, similar to what you talk about above. I take issue with that a lot of times, I don't think art should be about the process, especially when "normal" people (i.e. non EA-musicians, non-programmers, etc) find your music completely foreign... this is a huge problem for us.

      I think the folks at the Media Lab, while they are smart, are primarily innovators -- they do work on things which will get them media attention. The things they come up with barely touch upon the issues that affect me as a computer geek and composer. I'm sure Dr. Hawley is an interesting person, but a lot of the stuff mentioned above is completely unrelated to what I do every day -- and his compositions probably have little to do with what's going on on the contemporary music scene. It just has a nice "wow" factor.

      The futurists also upset a lot of traditional academic musicians, but that's a whole other story :)

    9. Re:Coding as an artform by Ed+Avis · · Score: 2, Interesting
      The primary difference is that keys on a keyboard are binary input while piano keys are analog.

      So a computer keyboard is more like an organ or a harpsichord. ISTR that one of the BBC Micro's Welcome programs was called 'organ', and straightforwardly turned the top two rows of keys into white and black notes. And I wrote similar things myself at various points, recording input music and playing it back or trying to generate a similar-sounding tune using simple probabilities of which notes follow each other.

      This kind of thing as a basic programming exercise (pun not intended) seems to have died out these days, mostly because sound programming is no longer as simple as it was, which is a pity. Almost all computers have some kind of beeper. Perhaps some day we'll get back to the level of twenty years ago and be able to say
      % perl -MSound 'beep 256, 1'
      to play middle C for one second.

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      -- Ed Avis ed@membled.com
    10. Re:Coding as an artform by Ed+Avis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Writing a program that a computer can interpret is the easy part. The skill is in making it understandable to a human too, and that is where programming becomes an art. If writing a factual article in a newspaper is art then so is writing a program which clearly shows the programmer's intention and guides the reader to understanding how it works.

      I think craft is probably a better term though, because of the functional aspect and the fact that the end product has to 'work'. Art doesn't have to work or _do_ anything.

      --
      -- Ed Avis ed@membled.com
  5. The book... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "For him, there is 'no difference between an ivory keyboard and a QWERTY keyboard.'"

    I don't know if I want to read his book.
    I imagine something like...

    akldsfjasjgl;aghjaklgfajgsafjklaa;fsadh

  6. Media attention by kuhneng · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I knew and interacted with Michael Hawley lightly for a year (temporary advisor at MIT).

    From my experience, he was constantly chasing whatever research line was most likely to get him in the media while neglecting projects that seemed to have more research merit but less potential for media attention.

    1. Re:Media attention by snarkh · · Score: 4, Funny


      After all, why bother with research merit when you can have your interactive kitchen counter
      featured on Slashdot.

    2. Re:Media attention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Isn't that the way the MIT media lab works? Get press or die.

    3. Re:Media attention by kindofblue · · Score: 4, Interesting
      The entire Media Lab seems to follow that same pattern of pursuing fluffy PR-friendly pseudo-science. Wired had this to say about it: The Lab that Fell to Earth. (It's an ironic criticique given that Wired is very fluffy tech news.)

      Contrast that to the MIT AI and CS Lab, which does and has done outstanding work, in hard AI, theory, robotics, vision, and so on.

      Still, the Media Lab just seems like the most fun place to work.

    4. Re:Media attention by cvdwl · · Score: 3, Insightful
      As a postdoc on a trail of post-docs, I think it's safe to say that almost any professor or scientist seen in the national media will be faced with such accusations from his academic peers.

      Not to say the detractors are right or wrong, but the problem, IMHO, really comes from a basic process:

      1. the media is rarely willing or able to portray scientific problems in their true complexity, leading to:
      2. any scientist who does speak to the media is often misquoted or portrayed as a hero, in order to "simplify" or "clarify", thus:
      3. the popular scientist quickly earns equal marks of disdain ("the damned fool said WHAT?!") and envy ("yeah, I coulda done that.").
      Unfortunately, "research merit" is decided when Joe Sixpack watches CBS and tells his congressman that he thinks that there scientist is cool. Your "research merit" is driven at least as much by Congress as by your personal belief in the quality of the work.

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    5. Re:Media attention by kuhneng · · Score: 4, Informative

      Except that in the case of what I observed, Prof. Hawley would literally drop an in-progress project the moment the media buzz died down.

      This is different from popular researchers such as Carl Sagan and Steven Hawking, who routinely give/gave simplified glimpses of their research to the public, but certainly haven't driven their research based on how much media exposure it's likely to generate.

    6. Re:Media attention by raisin · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I work at the Media Lab and have often felt that there's a sort of inverse relationship between the amount of (popular) press that some of the projects receive, and the actual value of the project itself. Things like an interactive kitchen counter are a good example of this, so the really interesting work can easily get lost in that.

      For what it's worth, the Wired article, however, is way off, including some parts that are just completely made up and has all sorts of wild speculation from the article's author, much to the amusement of many of the people here. The author came in and was looking for dirt so that Wired could sell magazines (this was extremely successful, as that issue did really well on the newstand). This is not to say there's plenty of critique you could make about the lab, there was a Technology Review article, google cached here, written by a talented writer that made many more valid points by simply hanging a few professors with their own words. It's no longer particularly relevant anymore, but the author could teach the Wired guy a thing or two or seven.

    7. Re:Media attention by Gorobei · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Non-flashy is easier to define: stuff that could actually produce useful results in a reasonable time-frame. Flashy is anything not in that set.

      In the early 80s, Yale seemed to have a few good avenues of non-flashy research and engineering going:

      1) T - a solid, interesting Scheme-like language.
      2) Hardware - essentially the prototype ELI machines.
      3) OSes - Lisp environments vs DecSystem20 vs Unix.
      4) Graphics/Realtime stuff - mostly due to Apollos.
      5) Networked computers - the proto-internet was exciting.
      6) User modelling - i.e. what does a user think he's doing?

      Everything else was basically flashy or pointless junk. The worst offender was Schank - a producer of brittle demos that got research dollars and did zero to advance CS. Actually, Yale probably set back CS by its contribution to the AI winter of the mid to late 80s.

  7. There are many books you can't put down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    This has to be one of the few that has the opposite problem.

  8. It's just a matter of time... by heironymouscoward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Most nerds are men, and men change their priorities and attitudes over time. My rule of thumb is that the jocks mature early, the nerds mature late.

    A nerd invests hugely in a technical subject and should, with time, be able to leverage that into a high value career. So it's quite normal that many men who were totally nerdy in their teens and twenties become relaxed, charming, social, and wealthy as they get older and more succesful.

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  9. Keyboards can be musical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    See Prodikeys.

  10. keyboards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I always thought it would be interesting for someone to devise an "instrument" out of the QWERTY keyboard. So many people are proficient with the standard keyboard they'd be instant musicians.

    It would be a cool addition to MMORPG games where you can have real bards that actually play music via keyboard.

    1. Re:keyboards by sevensharpnine · · Score: 3, Informative

      Throwing a box in the microwave isn't cooking. Similarily, hitting keys on your keyboard isn't making music.

      I really have nothing against the idea, but if your only exposure to an instrument is a keyboard and various samples, the end result might not be terribly interesting. But neither is microwaved food.

      --
      "God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh." -Voltaire
  11. Bhutan by ModernGeek · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I used to host IRC Chat for Bhutan before we got DDoSed to death. Really nice people, some egg heads too. Aside from the "Wanna chat?" guys asking for 16 year old girls, it's a nice place with alot of smart people.

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  12. WRONG by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 4, Interesting

    More rich individuals?, being a rich individual is measured in terms of how well you addapt to the social roles that are impossed nowdays?.
    Slashdot is a social activity.
    Please think about this: Name 1 comunity of non-geek persons that are more than 10 and that get together every day to discuss their ideas. There are NONE.
    Now, look at Slashdot, are we unsocial terminal geeks?.
    I Think the hole think is upside down. We are social people, actually more sociable than other social groups because we still belevie in some things like netiquete, we can maintain social contract. Actual society CAN'T. Slashdot is not a website, it's a social contract. EVERYONE can post here, and he will be listened, we have our methods to protect ourselves from those that don't know how to live in society, but we won't censor them or ask them to go away.

    We are unsocial with many people because they comunicate in a different language, which is by definition aggresive and antisocial.

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    1. Re:WRONG by rtv · · Score: 2, Funny
      Name 1 comunity of non-geek persons that are more than 10 and that get together every day to discuss their ideas. There are NONE.
      • The House of Commons
      • US Congress, Senate
      • etc.
  13. I can't be a nerd! by Digital+Dharma · · Score: 5, Funny

    I have a platinum-plated pocket protector of +5 charisma!

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    End of Line.
  14. This story is similar to the talbet PC robot. by bob_calder · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Both people have some extra money to do something to impress their friends. Hawley has more money.

    BTW, why did the guy who mentioned big book/small country get modded troll?

    OK, OK, so the giant book is an exercise in making some kind of maximum display technology like a middle ages style plasma TV. The big story here is enlarging the images to an appropriate resolution.

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  15. Huh? Nerds are more than what?? by serutan · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sorry, I was upgrading the embedded Forth interpreter in my pocket protector. What was it you wanted?

  16. Using a QWERTY kbd as a music kbd by Simonetta · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've written an embedded firmware program for the Atmel AVR microcontroller to use the PS2 keyboard as a MIDI music keyboard. It's on Avrfreaks.com in the projects directory (search under MIDI).

    Interfacing the PC keyboard is really tricky. It was necessary to use all the Warnier-Orr diagramming techniques learned in school to map out what was happening in order to get totally lost in the coding. But it does work. Press several keys down and get a chord on the synthesizer; release the keys and the notes go silent.

    The real problem with using the PS2 QWERTY keyboard as a music keyboard is that certian key combinations don't work. I suspect that this is due to the scanning algorythm of the processor inside the PS2 keyboard itself. In business keyboard office applications, people don't press four or five letter keys at the same time.

    Still it is a really cheap and small way to get sounds out of a MIDI tone module. This is great for using small, but beautiful sounding synthesizers (like the Roland Sound Canvas, the Yamaha TG100, or the Boss DS-330) in impromptu music sessions that usually have only acoustic guitars and/or drums and flutes or harmonicas. Use a small synth, a PS2 keyboard, a boom box, and a microcontroller PS2-to-MIDI interface to add hundreds of instrument sounds to pick-up jam sessions (ever played music in a deserted McDonald's at 9 pm?). The whole set up is light and tranportable (and cheap if it gets confiscated by the police or stolen).

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  17. Computers AREN'T music friendly .... TRUE!!!!! by almound · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People who want to do music ... and I'm IT staff, who is getting a statistics degree, yet writes classical music as a hobby for fun ... find that they are stymied by antiquated and just plain dumb music software.

    The Musical Instrument Digital Interface (MIDI) is twenty+plus years old. Imagine if you were trying to do your networking using Banyan ... oh, never heard of Banyan? Think on it.

    Yet MIDI is what someone who WRITES music must use to export notes over into a program that will PLAY the music they write (i.e. a sequencer) with any degree of real sound. By itself, MIDI just does not support the nuances and articulations of music desk-top publishing, the environments known as notation programs. And also, notation programs can't adequately play back the notes (the sound is cheesey at best).

    So people, myself included, resort to composing in one or the other, or perhaps in both a sequencer and a notation program simultaneously, each program running on a separate machine! Is that stone-age or what!!! Imagine if that was what was required to do word processing!

    With the current state of MIDI, the computer isn't even able to write what you play into it from a keyboard (without hours and hours of tweaking and guesstimation). We haven't even come that far, people!

    Oh, did I mention that the special cables and splitters required to network MIDI devices together are about 2000% more expensive than any other cable connections you are likely to buy! $600.00 all told to hook up three PCs with a MIDI keyboard!!! This is true of Macs as well as PCs.

    No, computers AREN'T music friendly and it is a needless shame. Something must be done about it.

    1. Re:Computers AREN'T music friendly .... TRUE!!!!! by Simonetta · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, computers AREN'T music friendly and it is a needless shame. Something must be done about it.

      I totally agree. MIDI is a totally obsolete technology. I have an MPU-401 card that I can no longer use because it is just won't work on any PC made in the past five years. I try nowdays only to buy tone modules with toHost cable interfaces (standard RS-232 serial ports).

      There needs to be a way to connect keyboards and sequencer programs using standard ethernet. Plus a new way to record all the subtleties that are made by a natural instrument into a standard and open format.

      An advantage of MIDI was the electic isolation between the instuments. There was no shared ground connection and the data passed from computer to keyboard through an inexpensive opto-isolator. This prevented a giant surge of electricity from traveling throughout the entire stack of instruments if someone were to spill a pitcher of beer on the main keyboard.

      It seems that the music industry is getting away from stand-apart synthesizers and tone modules and more towards totally software based synthesizers.

  18. OK, so he published a boot that's 7' tall. by Animats · · Score: 3, Funny
    The previous champion in Really Oversized Coffee-Table Books was Helmut Newton's SUMO, at 65 pounds. It costs $3000 and comes with its own metal stand. It's a collection of mildly erotic prints. Modernbook in Palo Alto had one on display for months.

    So this guy comes out with a book that is seven feet tall, weighs 133 pounds, and costs $10,000. This is an achievement of sorts, but as Molly Ivins once pointed out, once you've seen a one-ton cheese, a two-ton cheese isn't that impressive.

  19. Outlook versus "Inside" by aepervius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Again why should I care about a *ANY* girl (pretty or not) which get her idea from the media, and is completly close-minded to recognize that *I* am different than how the media portray me ? Why should I care about about any girl which judge on the outside apparence and media portraying and do not bother revisionning it when she meets me ? Is such girl even worth bothering, if she can't make her own opinion different than what the media sprout ?

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    1. Re:Outlook versus "Inside" by minusthink · · Score: 5, Funny

      Because if pretty girls like you, then pretty girls may touch you. And that's what it's all about.

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    2. Re:Outlook versus "Inside" by DaneelGiskard · · Score: 4, Funny

      Again why should I care about a *ANY* girl (pretty or not) which get her idea from the media, and is completly close-minded to recognize that *I* am different than how the media portray me ? Why should I care about about any girl which judge on the outside apparence and media portraying and do not bother revisionning it when she meets me ?

      Boobs.

    3. Re:Outlook versus "Inside" by KDan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nobody will recognise that you are different until you get to talk to them for quite a bit. Nobody will spend time talking to you unless you have some attractive attributes. If you're an ugly nerd (sorry to all ugly nerds out there), the girls won't talk to you and so will never discover your wonderful sensitive soul hidden inside!

      And media-driven stereotypes influence all of us. "Nerd" is generally considered an unattractive attribute. You'll have to balance it with a lot of positive stuff in order to even get to talk to a girl. Best of luck.

      Daniel

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    4. Re:Outlook versus "Inside" by NanoGator · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Again why should I care about a *ANY* girl (pretty or not) which get her idea from the media, and is completly close-minded to recognize that *I* am different than how the media portray me ?"

      Pretty girls are often objectified by men. The appearance of computer hardware as a status symbol is akin to jocks and their ridiculous attention to cars. As a result, they can be cautious.

      Why should you care? You really want to be misunderstood? This isn't willful ignorance on the part of women. They don't want to be put in the humiliating situation of being second place to an inanimate object. If you've ever passed up joining the high-school football team because you can't do a chin-up, then you can start to understand.

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  20. Re:MIT Media Lab by MacBorg · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've worked there (3 summer internships) and yes, they're flashy (very much so in 2001, far less so today) but the science and theory is exceedingly interesting met this fellow once... seemed nice enough... if a little obssessed

  21. Mike Hawley is not a professor by HEbGb · · Score: 4, Informative

    Check his background, CBS and Slashdot. Hawley didn't get tenure because he didn't do much solid research (instead relying on hype and PR). He's no longer a professor at MIT of any sort.

  22. Musical Computing by rMortyH · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Musical computing is what I do now, at this place, and it's definitely true that computers are not musical enough.

    First, the computer is theoretically a completely general tool, but the ones we use come packaged as an office tool. Using them for other purposes generally requires alot of work against this, even in our favorite operating systems. (though FAR less so)

    The next problem is computer hardware. It's quite a daunting task in most cases to connect a keyboard or other controller to a computer. It has to be easy for non-geeks. (USB makes this much better than it has been.) In addition, the vast majority of low-end keyboards are awful. They usually have undersize keys, and almost never have velocity, which both become a problem once you move beyond 'mary had a little lamb'.

    Creative makes a keyboard that is integrated into the qwerty keyboard. I think this is a fantastic idea. However, the same problems apply, undersize keys (they can be shorter, but they must be wide enough) proprietary, or at least nonstandard drivers, and very cheap construction. It is basically unusable, if they're wondering why it's not selling. Great idea though.

    It is a travesty that all 'toy' musical instruments for children are really unplayable. What are we doing to our kids! Even the adult ones under $300 all lack velocity, and often have cheap keys that 'bounce.'

    Using the qwerty keyboard as an instrument is not a bad idea. It is fundamentally different from typing. As an adult student of piano I thought my keyboard use as a geek would help. Maybe a little, but one key difference is that key hits when typing are INTERLEAVED, hence we get letters in order. Musical key hits are SYNCRONIZED, you often hit several keys at once. Learning the difference can be tough at first.

    It does allow monoponic (one sound at a time) playing, and for that it's pretty neat. Many synth packages already do this, but the feature's not intended to be useful outside of testing. The PC keyboard sends key down and key up messages, so it may be possible to have polyphony (multiple sounds at once and chords) on keyboards whose internal multiplexing doesn't prevent it. Libraries intended for text keyboard use won't work for this.

    Learning the piano I also realize that all those hours mastering Bruce Lee on the c64 when I was 13 were exactly the time when my brain could have been mastering music. The idea that you can't learn later is a myth. You learn differently. But the willingness, and the ability, to sit there for 6 to 8 hours a day trying to master something happens when you're young. (Luckily I did this with electronics and computers, so I'm now employed!)

    Computers make GREAT musical instruments, and allow music to be made in most of the old ways and many completely new ways. Of course it's up to the musician to use them to make GOOD music.

    The computer and toy industries have to start making products that are really useful to normally skilled people in normal situations, which are neither too technical or so stripped down as to be useless. Also, there need to be more musical games, which teach fundamentals, and are also fun. The only reason why the techological revolution isn't also a musical one is that we just haven't bothered. There's an instrument in every home and classroom now, and if we aren't cheap and lazy about it, they would be useful.

  23. Why is this "new"? by ivern76 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    God himself is well known for playing the pipe organ. RMS has (unfortunately) been known to sing (I can't find a link to this gem, it used to be somewhere on Jamie Zawinski's website.) Eric Raymond advises hacker wannabes to master a musical instrument to enrich their personality.

    It's old news...hackers like music. Why? Music is a cleverly woven chain of simple notes and chords, and if you do it right it sounds amazing and gives much of the same gratification as programming.

    That said, this guy's pretty damn cool.

  24. Re:Hawley's head under a rock? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    He seems neither unpublished nor unaware. He won the Van Cliburn piano competition and has performed concerts around the world including symphony hall in Boston. His journal publications in computer music listed on his CV include "Windows for Unix at Lucasfilm," (USENIX 1985); "MIDI Music Software for Unix" (USENIX 1986); "Porting UNIX to the Bosendorfer" (Computer Graphics Workshop, 1986); "The Personal Orchestra" (Computing Systems Journal, 3(2), 1990; "Structure out of Sound" (1993). I see from his bio that he did work at IRCAM and at Lucasfilm, both helping to pioneer the digital audio field. That looks like early work, so he probably moved on intellectually but kept up the piano chops.

    Perhaps you should crawl out from under your own little rock and ask him yourself instead of whining about what you don't know. His web page and email address are public information.

  25. Greetings. by MJHawley · · Score: 2, Informative
    Greetings.

    I had never seen "slashdot" (and also haven't seen the CBS piece that spawned the rapidly devolving commentary.) Incidentally, I agreed somewhat sheepishly to allow the CBS piece as well as a profile in DISCOVER magazine because I was happy to share some of my views on teaching, and learning, and exploration to get out. These things are rather apart from many of the cracks made, which leads me to think that I'm not the only one who didn't see the CBS piece. Or maybe that's just the ordinary kind of "slashing" at play in slashdot.

    Anyway, a few thoughts from afar.

    1. Big Bhutan Book.

    http://www.friendlyplanet.org/bhutan

    This is an unusual coming together of notions. Technically we sought to advance, a little bit, the tools for field photography. I think we helped do this. We did assemble in passing what appears to be the world's largest archive of imagery from Bhutan (both film scans at grain resolution and digital), the bulk of it stamped with GPS information, etc. But we also wanted to help the students and schools there. That's why we engaged young Bhutanese students to take photos with us on several expeditions. And it's why we needed a publishing model that would generate some revenue (traditional ones don't). If unbound and hung in a gallery, the big book would need 500 horizontal feet of wall space, and cost a good $2500 to frame every 5x7 foot spread. As it stands, the book works out to less than $100 per page, and when a donor makes a $10k gift to the nonprofit charity established for this purpose (Friendly Planet), nearly $8k can be realized in profits (ie, deduction for the donor, and proceeds to benefit the schools). This is partly due to the outstanding help we've had from Amazon, HP, FedEx, and many others, and the incredible book binding work done by Acme (the world's oldest bindery). And because the prints are so large, we had to get really good at scrubbing grain noise from the film imagery and CCD noise from the high-ISO digital pictures. These and a number of other little technical twists helped add up to a nice result. Later in the spring we will introduce a more reasonably sized book, fine art prints, and begin work on Cambodia (our next subject). One step at a time.

    2. Music and Audio Technology.

    I worked for a long time at Bell Labs, IRCAM and Lucasfilm, so have been pushing on music and advancing the field of digital audio systems for quite awhile. Most of my early published journal articles were in this vein and can be found, e.g., in Usenix proceedings and journals from the late 80's. My MIT graduate work was also on audio analysis (e.g., how can a computer be architected in order to listen to something as rich and complex as a film soundtrack and pull out interesting information from the auditory scene?) The dissertation (Structure out of Sound, 1993) is available from the MIT Library. Project work ranged from scanning of crumbling Duo-Art player piano rolls, interfacing to a solenoid-driven Bosendorfer concert grand, high quality synthesis of a lifetime of human speech, to suites of MIDI and other audio tools. Much of this is now late bronze-age work, but some of the ideas and methods live on. I remain interested in the field, but am not actively plowing it.

    3. Teaching, Learning, Research and Tenure.

    A number of writers seem confused (or naive) about this. (Needless to say, nobody troubled to ask me.)

    The main reason I have been somewhat distant from MIT of late (I turned down an endowed chair, became Director of Special Projects, and now maintain a more relaxed affiliation with the Media Laboratory) is that my interests were moving more towards nonprofit work with schools in developing countries. And I was also enjoying some nice personal success in music, which requires a tremendous amount of "solo" time. One just cannot spend that amount of time out of the lab, or practicing, and maintain a normal rank staff post in Cambridge. And

  26. Of former professors, CBS reporting, and tenure by cyranoVR · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So the headline should have read "Former MIT Professor." Or maybe "World's Largest Book." For the record, it's 99% likely that CBS reported him as a "former MIT professor," but I mis-heard (and mis-transcribed) it. Oh well - I'm not sure how this affects the story.

    Anyway, you comment that he's "no longer a professor of any sort." While it's true that he's no longer part of the faculty, this press release from December still refers to him as being "of the MIT Media lab" and his homepage is still on their server. So I think your clause "of any sort" is not entirely accurate.

    Incidentally, the CBS This Morning piece noted that MIT denied him tenure, but I decided to leave it out of my submission because a) I thought it wasn't really relevant to the point of the story; and b) I didn't want to color the story as an "injustice sympathy" piece.

    Another thing...being denied tenure doesn't necessarily indicate inferior merit.

    My father runs a state-level professional organization for college professors, so I growing up I got to hear all sorts of wacky stories about professors being denied tenure. True Fact: many professors that do solid research are denied tenure. Reasearch is only a part of the criteria.

    For starters, professors are expected to regularly (read: constantly) publish long, dry articles in acadmeic journals for peer review. "Publish or Perish." Given Hawley's diverse interests and apparent passion for working with undergraduate students (always a negative in academia), it wouldn't suprise me if he didn't get around to writing boring research articles as often as he should have.

    Furthermore, bullshit politics often plays a BIG factor tenure decisions. As noted, Hawley was popular with his students and had a reputation for "relying on hype and PR" in his work (read: jealous colleagues). From the sound of it, he had the tenure odds stacked against him before he even made it to the hearing.

    Of course, my impression from the interview was that it didn't seem like he cared too much about tenure anyway.

    BTW - Hawley's PR and hype skills obviously suck - compare with Brian Greene. His research on String Theory has - by his own admission - no practical application and is impossible to conclusively prove. Meanwhile, he has two best-selling books and a PBS mini-series. Take note: that's how it's done.