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EV1 Servers CEO Responds To Customers

Retalin writes "EV1 CEO Robert Marsh gave his customer base a written explanation for the purchase of his decision to purchase a SCO License late last night. The most interesting quote was this: "It has been argued by a Linux Journal reporter that I have essentially called the various GPL Linux developers plaugerists. This is false as I would never make such a claim against them. They are some of the brightest minds for whom I hold a great deal of respect.""

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  1. Eh by FuzzzyLogik · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not a big deal, if it turns out he wasted his money, then so be it. it was more of a way to protect his business, if something happens and the tables turn, he's not going to be sued and have to pay that, in other words, the cost of being sued would be way more than having to buy these licenses. it was just simply more cost affective to buy the licenses and if they turn out to be trash, so what, the customers who had doubts had peace of mind at this point.

    1. Re:Eh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It IS a big deal - the money goes right to SCO to help them fight other Linux users.

    2. Re:Eh by Kevitt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It is a big deal. Why? Because EV1 buying into SCO's FUD lends said FUD credibility. Now in court SCO can point to EV1 specifically as an example of one of the largest DC's agreeing to their terms. It may not lend any credibility to those of us with a clue, but who knows how the demented minds of our courts will interpret this? I'm afraid the interpretation will be one of lending credence to SCO's claims. Dunno if I'm making my frustration/worry clear here, but I hope you get my drift. I view this as a fairly dark day in the Linux/SCO battle.

  2. Marsh is happy as a clam.. by Motherfucking+Shit · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because sometime later today, SCO is going to sue one of his competitors...

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    1. Re:Marsh is happy as a clam.. by AKnightCowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Because sometime later today, SCO is going to sue one of his competitors...

      SCO really reminds me of the mafia. Pay me an IP license fee and we won't sue you out of business. Are MBAs like Darl McBride the new organized crime figures? I'm suprised no one has tried using the RICO laws against SCO.

  3. From the article: by ImaNumber · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "DC2 Opens on Wednesday with limited server availability. Initial deployments are likely to be dual drive/1 GB configurations. Additional configurations will follow as time and space allow." Yep...its a publicity stunt...

  4. Whose side is he on? by Vexler · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Isn't the gist of what he said pretty much the same thing that Darl says about Linux and its suppporters? i.e. We have to do what is right for our business and circumstances.

    Now, it is interesting that he did voice support for open-source projects like Linux. But then he also affirms that his license is one of IP from SCO. Just sounds like he is trying to be a crowd pleaser and ended up with the wrong crowd.

  5. Re:We're being too hard on the guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He is just being conservative and figures that it's worth paying for liscenses (he peobobly got a better deal the $699 as well) instead of risk a lawsuit.

    He was already indemnified by Redhat. The only way this would make sense from a business perspective is if a) he thought Redhat were going to go out of business, or b) there's another side to this deal that we don't know about (e.g. kickbacks from SCO).

    Personally, I think neither are true, and he's just stupid. That's reason enough to switch hosting companies.

  6. Makes no sense. by eddy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I read this earlier today. Marsh is just doing spin. End-users were never liable anyhow, if there'd been a problem they'd refer SCOX to EV1 (since they're buying the service from them), which would refer to RedHat (the OS supplier) which is already in litigation with SCOX anyhow.

    He claims this was 'cheap' insurance. However, he refuse to tell us how much it actually was. If it was so cheap, why wouldn't he like to be able to tell his customers "Look, we only paid $X, it's cheap!". On the other hand, if it was cheap then SCOX wouldn't want the numbers to be out there ("We gave away 20K server license for PR-rights" wouldn't sound too great), which brings us to the fact that EV1 was in a position of power over SCOX, and chose to agree to not disclose the sum. In other words, they're helping SCOX out.

    I think that Marsh is pretty much alone in thinking this was a good idea. There was no pressure from linux-customers _at all_. He's He did this for the PR. New server-center around the corner, using SCO to make headlines sounded great!

    He just can't admit it in public. Reading his 'this was a sound business-decision'-bullshit is sickening.

    SCO says: "Copyrights and patents are protection against strangers," [...] "Contracts are what you use against parties you have relationships with. From a legal standpoint, contracts end up being far stronger than anything you could do with copyrights." -- http://e-businessadvisor.com/doc/12514

    Enjoy your new friends, EV1LServers.

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  7. I'm sorry, but he's an idiot by Arker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It does indeed sound like he did this with the best of intentions.

    But no, I'm sorry, no word less strong than 'idiot' could possibly begin to describe the path to hell he just set his company on, with the best of intentions of course.

    TSG hadn't the slightest grounds to sue them before. Of course, under the US legal system, you sue first and the court checks if you have any grounds later, so they could have cost him some lawyer time.

    But doesn't a company that size pay a retainer already, for just such reasons?

    TSG had no grounds to sue them before, no grounds to be involved with them in any way shape or form. Now they've signed a contract. 'Contracts are what you use against people you have a relationship with' as Mr. McBride so eloquently stated.

    This contract gives EV1 nothing whatsoever they didn't already have, in the sense of assets, positive things. It does give them plenty of liablilities. It gives TSG a contract that may give them cause for a suit in the future. It may very well be violating their license under the GPL, rendering any new linux installations they undertake copyright infringement, punishable by a statutory fine of $125,000 US per incidence as well. It in no way makes their position any more stable, but rather opens them from attacks from every side that they were completely and utterly proof against before taking this license.

    I said it before, in the last article on this story, and I'll say it again, either EV1s attorneys are utterly incompetent, or their management is, or both. Go to Groklaw, read this license. It's a license for nothing, it gives the buyer nothing, it's only possible purpose is to set the buyer up for a lawsuit later. Anyone that would pay a dime for this thing after reading it is just plain stupid. If TSG was offering to pay you $699 per processor, flat rate no bulk discounts, it would still be a bad deal.

    I am (happily) not personally involved with them at the moment. If I were I would terminate that relationship immediately. I certainly will not even consider entering any business relationship with them in the future. A company that size that can't afford an hour of a lawyers time to look at such a thing before they sign it has no future in this world, that's just the cold hard facts. EV1 customers - find an alternative. Today. Not to punish these folks - this kind of incredible stupidity is its own punishment, and quite sufficient. But simply to protect yourself. If you make the change now, you can do it with minimal hassle. If you wait until someone summons these bozos into a court, it could be a lot more painful.

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  8. Death of a thousand pinpricks by dillon_rinker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    His response to charges that he is funding SCO's lawsuits:
    SCO already has like $60 million on hand and our small fee would not go very far defending an action such as this

    No single raindrop believes that it is to blame for the flood. Presumably this CEO also believes that donating $25 to Al Qaeda doesn't promote terrorism, or that dumping a gallon of used motor oil in a river doesn't promote pollution. Or that buying somethng from a spammer doesn't promote spam.

  9. Some Questions for Mr. Marsh... by ArtDent · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Mr. Marsh owes his customers much more information than this. Specifically:

    1. What price was paid for this "IP license"? A claim like "our small fee would not go very far defending an action such as this, much less prosecuting one" is totally unconvincing while the amount of the fee remains secret. Moreover, obviously customers will be indirectly footing the bill for this, so they need to be able to figure out just how much it's costing them.
    2. Exactly what IP was licesnsed? Did Mr. Marsh in fact "license certain IP from SCO," or did he in fact license uncertain IP -- agreeing to their standard whatever-IP-may-or-may-not-be-in-there wording?
    3. What are the terms of the licensing, and to what degree are customers protected? Since, he's claiming to have done this for the protection customers, he'd better tell them what their rights and obligations are. For example, are there any restrictions on their ability to access, modify, or compile Linux source code?

    I hope that all of EV1's customers demand answers to these questions, as forcefully as necessary. They need this information to assess whether they are, in fact, better or worse off as a result of Mr. Marsh's decision.

    1. Re:Some Questions for Mr. Marsh... by friendklay · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The price which EV1 paid to SCO should be of great interest to all EV1 Customers and potential customers. There are two possibilities:
      1. EV1 paid a paltry sum just to get a 'good name', that they are the only SCO-Risk-Free hosting provider.
      2. SCO paid them an undisclosed NDA bounded sum and and gave them the "License to use Linux".
      Both ways SCO profits by being able to point at the large number of Linux Web Site which have signed up fo SCO Linux License. EV1 profits by having paid very little. Because they paid very little they would profit in the long run. That is some of us might get angry and boycot them, but others would be delighted and switch to EV1 servers just to get that protection. Either way EV1 is beting that more will switch to them. Thats my $0.20
  10. Re:Full Text -- Translation by MinutiaeMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Translation: "We didn't want to get sued, so we gave SCO a big wad of cash to make sure that they don't send their lawyers after us."

    In the Mafia, this kind of practice is known as "protection." They'd force local shopkeepers to pay them money to not send their goons to trash their stores. It annoys the heck out of me that SCO can get away with extorting this kind of money from companies before they've even proven their case in the IBM-Novell lawsuit(s). But then, everyone here agrees on that point.

  11. Re:Grammar? by Westech · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have many sites hosted in EV1 and have been following the business for a long time (it used to be named RackShack.) Every time Robert Marsh posts something online, it is filled with poor grammar and misspellings. At first, this turned me off (If he can't learn to spell, can't he at least afford a secretary to proofread his announcements!) but now I've gotten past it. I think that he is a great businessman who runs a profitable company that successfully delivers a quality product to its customers. While I do not agree with his decision on the SCO issue, I can understand his reasoning. Likewise, while I still think he should have his announcements proofread before making them public, it doesn't seem to be hurting his business any.

    I think that in Mr. Marsh's mind it's all about business. Each decision is based on cost-benefit analysis.

    For example:
    To him, it is worth the "licensing" fees to remove the possible costs of defending a lawsuit.
    To him, the increase in sales gained by presenting a better image by posting gramatically correct announcements would not outweigh the cost of hiring a proofreader.

    Of course, this is all simply my opinion from observing the company from the outside.