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Mandrakelinux 10.0 Community is Available
joestar writes "The new 'Mandrake Linux 10.0 Community' release has just been announced. It provides many new features including Linux 2.6.3, MagicDev, KDE 3.2, GNOME 2.4, a new Mandrakeonline service and others. Download ISOs are available through torrent for Club Members and 10.0 developers. A 10.0 DVD is also available at MandrakeStore. This a first step for this new exciting Mandrake, because in May, an Official version will appear, and both versions will officially be supported. Happy downloads!"
What happened about the namechange?
/. a while back saying that MDKsoft had to change their name due to some French wizard cartoon or similar (I didn't RTFA, of course ;)!
We had an article on
Is this now resolved?
David
Call me a troll, but I think it would really help the OSS community if we focused our efforts on one or two distros, not 10 or 20.
There aren't 10 or 20 distros, there are hundreds, perhaps thousands, and the reason there's so many is because different people want different things, for example Debian is better at running webservers on than Mandrake. If the two distros were spliced together, the package would be much bigger, and most people would only use half of it anyway.
When anger rises, think of the consequences.
Confucius (551 BC - 479 BC)
I will; Mandrake 10.0 is the only distro that I know of that has 2.6 support right out of the box.
Socialism: A feeling of discontent and resentment caused by a desire for the possessions or qualities of another.
Yes, I agree with you, but the problem is, theses 2 or 3 distros wont be the ones you (or I) want. So you will end up forking one of them to address your own needs.
Why? The various distros exist because different people have different needs and different ideas about the way things work. If all those people tried to focus on one or two distros, all they'd do is disagree, meaning no progress would be made, and they'd probably just end up forking.
Another way to look at it is from a project management standpoint: adding new bodies to a project does not mean the project will progress faster or improve. In fact, more bodies can actually *decrease* productivity. So, "focusing" all that effort into just one or two projects may not be an effective way to make use of resources.
Lastly, don't forget, competition is a key to innovation. Having various distros competing for market share means they'll compete, and cooperate, meaing a better result for everyone. How can this be bad?
Having many distros is a -strength- of linux, not a hinderance.
.rpm, .deb. .tgz... just one type)
We don't need less distros, we need some idea of continuity between them using standards, such as:
-Standard packaging system (no more
-Standard directory structure
There are some others, but these are the major two. More distros = good, but lets try to package them all similarly, please!
Jay | http://oldos.org
I think it does help having multiple distros (at least more than one or two). The reasons are that some distros are conservative (e.g. Redhat does not have ntfs enabled by default, has its own bluecurve, and does not have media player related stuff -- out of these, the ntfs is a biggie for dual boot systems). Likewise, some distros have more support for bleeding edge devices (e.g. SATA support on Mandrake 9.2 RC was available but not on Fedora beta). I will also state the obvious example of Redhat/Fedora stuff.
Where can we draw the line? In my opinion 100/1000 distros is unimaginable. 10 is not that bad a number.
S
Lastly, don't forget, competition is a key to innovation. Having various distros competing for market share means they'll compete, and cooperate, meaing a better result for everyone. How can this be bad?
One would think, but for the most part I haven't really noticed that in the Linux community. Each distro seems to focus all their effort into their own implementation of the basic "distro toolset" (Installer, disk partitioning, system management, control panel, etc.) I think it would benefit the community as a whole to be able to take these components and be able to add them to the distro of your choice. For example, one thing I really love about Mandrake is the graphical disk utility, DiskDrake. I think it beats the pants off everything else out there for Linux. Is it possible to get this running easily on another distribution? Doubtful.
I applaud the work that the Debian (or was it Progeny) team has done to try using Red Hat's Anaconda installer system to install Debian. I hope to see more projects like this in the future.
If you absolutely can't wait a week...pay them money. They deserve it.
Last time i checked, the NTFS write support was not mature enough to be used fulltime. Has anyone used this? Is the write support completely reliable?
I couldn't say for sure how Mandrake is doing it, but there is fully functional ntfs read/write support out there: Captive NTFS
well currently I am not the biggest fan of Macosx, yes its a break through of gui goodness, but its alittle to slow for my tastes. Plus I like Linux, I like linux because its ruff around the edges, and I like making it better. I run linux on mac because their hardware (laptops) are alot nicer than any pc based laptop I have seen.
Dont tell me what OS to run, I will run what I feel fits my needs.
keanmarine.com
How so? Any stats? Seriously, I would think that depends on hardware more than anything else (assuming you're running Apache).
If the eventual goal is to beat Microsoft on the desktop, the parent is right. 1 or 2 Distros that do everything well is better than 100 that each do one or two things *very* well.
Joe User wants his OS to do everything well and intuitively, not just one or two things.
I don't mean to be overly critical of you...and I like Mandrake. But...
C'mon. seriously. Nothing is every bug free. That's just insane. Nothing, especially something as complicated as an ENTIRE OPERATING SYSTEM, is every completely, 100% bug free. That's just rediculous.
Part of the problem MDK has been having, and that their new release system is trying to fix, is that they have a substantially large user/tester ratio. In other words, too many users for the people who are willing to test. A release can go through forty betas and 10 RC's, and fix ALL reported bugs. But without good testers, it will ship and millions of bugs will be found because there wasn't a good variance of testers.
People expect their software to "just work". But without a lot of testing in a million configurations (especially as current and fast advancing as Mandrake is) that's difficult. Probably impossible.
Who is this Anonymous Coward character, how does he post so much, and why is he always such a whore?
If we were to somehow shut down all the projects and only let the top three survive in the name of "concentrating efforts"...then we wouldn't be allowing users to do whatever they want with their software.
It doesn't need justification. It's the way it is, there's nothing to be done about it, and it's distro-makers' right. If they want to customize their Os for their needs, and publish it online in case other people happen to like the same things -- how does that harm anyone?
The one people want is going to be the "official" version in May, I think.
But that release will be no different if no one WANTS to test this one. It's one thing about whining about waiting for something you don't want to code on or patch, it's another when you don't even want to put in the time to report bugs.
I wonder if the Mod even understood this? As an old skool Ultima player from the Apple //e days (Ultima IV ruled!) I appreciate this comment.
CB
free ipod and free gmail!
Too bad they're releasing with Gnome 2.4 as 2.6 is scheduled for release about March 22.
- new (innovative) file selector
- new spatial nautilus + faster
- click on a device to mount its filesystem and open a window automatically
- other cool stuff
It's not as if Gnome's release schedule is a secret. Good thing I use that crappy distro called Gentoo that's only used by people who can't use their computer during compiling (because multi-tasking doesn't work in Linux of course, particularly with 2.6 kernels) because I've been trying Gnome in the 2.5.x developer series and it's cool.
Of course, if you like the pimped up NOS/wing/racing stripes on a Honda Civic look and "customizability" of KDE... enjoy.
As with 9.2, they include 3d accel ati radeon drivers on a *7* cd "poweuser" pack that you must *buy*: -Additional drivers for NVIDIA-based and ATI videocards are available in Mandrakelinux packs and Mandrakeclub ISO images Now, call me crazy, but I really think that something as important as a video driver should be included on the main cds, and shouldn't be sold separately. I guess it is a propietary kind of issue, so it isn't really mandrake's fault, but why should I pay for drivers for a card I obviously bought? I realize I can download them from ati's site, but a new linux user (the primary target of this distro) is going to have mayor problems with that. For one, since the kernel source isn't included(at least in 9.2), and it's required to compile the drivers, you need an additional 50mb download. I had to find it and download it by hand, since the particular version of the kernel that mdk 9.2 came with, wasn't to be found on the update ftp sites. Additional problems with agp support and shaky tv-out presented then. Nonetheless, I'm expecting this release, if only for improved stability and hardware support.