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Linux the Tortoise to Microsoft's Hare?

LukePieStalker writes "TheStreet.com is running a story by Ronna Abramson that makes a case for Linux cutting into Microsoft's server business and forcing Redmond to trim margins. A particular vulnerability is seen in overseas markets, but the heat should be turned up everywhere once Unix replacements are pretty far along by then end of next year. A quote from one CTO: [Linux is] "going to force Microsoft to spend more time on security and stability, and less time on adding new features.""

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  1. I don't think so by Pingular · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Linux is worked on LOADS more than Windows, so how can it be a 'Tortoise to Microsoft's Hare'?

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    1. Re:I don't think so by RazzleFrog · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What does "worked on LOADS more" mean? Do you mean that more people work on the development of Linux or do you mean that more people use Linux? Either way, they are making the point that Linux is going the underdog but by going the slow but steady route while Microsoft is rushing out tons of useless bells and whistles while ignoring security and stability.

    2. Re:I don't think so by smittyoneeach · · Score: 3, Interesting
      The allusion to the story is made from an external, no internal, viewpoint.
      Best quote in the article:
      Linux is "going to force Microsoft to spend more time on security and stability, and less time on adding new features. That probably has the effect of slowing revenue growth."

      Am I the only one who finds MS's newer crayonware interfaces a colossal PITA? You've got everything pretty much set with an unprivileged account. You need to change something, so you log out and log in as administrator, and you've got asinine little bubbles popping up telling you obvious stuff "New Applications Installed" or something, right over the logout button. You have to wait for the OS to get done wasting your time, so you can get back to slashd^H^H^H^H^Hwork.
      The good news is that, for a small further waste of your time, you can usually dig around and restore the OS to the classic mode you already understand.
      One can see, through the salesman's eye, the importance of pseudofeaturitis, as a means of convincing the customer that there's some 'there' there when we advertise the new version.
      The technical eye still wants to know why a commentable, versionable, plain text configuration file isn't a better solution.
      Maybe someone in Redmond will read this.
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    3. Re:I don't think so by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Linux progresses (arguably) slowly, but steadily (not to mention stably).

      Stably? Not always. Remember the ripping out of the VM in 2.4?

    4. Re:I don't think so by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, yeah, so the first thing you do is make the working account an un-privileged one.
      Which is always a blast, as half of the user applications have no concept of security, and so, for uncommon tasks like scanning documents to .pdf, I wind up having to log in as administrator, anyway.
      I wouldn't blame _that_ directly on MS. In the past, MS consistently targeted the "we don't need no stinkin' security" market. Well, ya kinda _do_ need the security, but there will be a long, painful period while applications and users figure out this brave, new, secure world.

    5. Re:I don't think so by CheeseTroll · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is purely anecdotal, but my brother-in-law just bought a Dell w/XP Home, and informed me that my sister was relieved to "finally" have a computer that was easy to use. (They've mostly had Windows in the past, and one short flirtation with an old iMac.) This surprised me, since my sister is certainly no dummy. But it also reminded me that one should never underestimate the power of a flashy new GUI running on a fast machine.

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    6. Re:I don't think so by westlake · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have yet to hear anyone outside Slashdot complain about "Links" or the default XP GUI.
      If the help system works and adds a touch of color and animation to the desktop that's just fine with them. They don't think geek and, more importantly, they don't buy geek, as an ideology or a product.

  2. What case is there to be made? by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    We've known since 1998 that Linux has server headway. Microsoft knows this too. They know they have to work on security (hence what's coming in SP2 and later on, Longhorn).

    Summary of article--Linux is a good server, Microsoft has to make Windows more secure to compete (this despite the fact Linux was shown to be the most vulnerable OS on the net according to an article Slashdot posted a few months ago).

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  3. Microsoft may be a lot of things... by Penguinisto · · Score: 5, Interesting
    ...but on bread-and-butter issues, they're certainly not stupid:

    "They're not at all important in the next quarter," Lundstrom said. But "20 years from now, the global center of the software industry will be Asia."

    I bet MSFT pays damned close attention to that line right there. Problem is, Asia is already more in love with Linux than nearly anywhere else on the planet, and that may be Linux' ultimate success... and MSFT's ultimate source of destruction.

    /P

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  4. What Features? by Dark+Coder · · Score: 1, Interesting

    You mean Microsoft needs to stop adding features like:

    1. BSOD
    2. Microsoft Bob
    3. Clippy
    4. DMCA
    5. Palladium
    6. Outlook Express
    7. Sharepoint

    Their marketing focus has too much stranglehold of their development force (or lack thereof).

  5. Re:Why do people still use Microsoft? by anonymous+cowfart · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When I started to use linux, people who worked with windows pretty much accepted that you'd have to reboot several times a day. This wasn't just because of the need to preserve backward compatitibility with DOS. Even NT 4 was pretty buggy before sp4 or so.

    I remember telling people that sun servers often stayed up for years without reboots -- no one believed it. Computers crashed, that's what computers do. Microsoft, and to a lesser extent apple, convinced most casual users that's the way computers worked.

    But obviously, this wasn't something that was caused by an immature level of technological development, because other companies, like sun, were shipping machines that didn't crash all the time.

    I believe that linux is responsible for a huge percentage of the core improvements that MS made to windows. They never felt it was a problem to ship OSs that crashed until they saw an alternative that didn't crash, on the edge of their radar screen. An alternative that people could install on their existing PCs, an alternative that people running ISPs could use to do server work.

    Linux's quality, for the most part, doesn't come out of competition. There are efforts to make linux better at doing certain specific things, efforts that are driven by benchmarks. Most of the time, these little competitions seem to be waged with FreeBSD. But it's a historical fact that people wanted to make linux more reliable way before windows had any stability at all.

    Microsoft *needs* linux to push it. If linux wasn't out there, does anyone think they'd be trying to tighten up security? Does anyone think that they would have delivered stable versions of windows without the pressure of competition.

    My point is that even if you don't use linux, you benefit from it in a big way. In fact, I would say that most of the real benefit that linux brings to the world comes in the form of competitive pressure on microsoft, and those benefits are seen by windows users, not by linux users. Who knows how much they'd be charging, what the net would look like, how often windows would crash, etc., if it weren't for linux.

    It's hard to get this across, but every discussion of open source vs. commercial development ignores the effect that open source exerts on commercial developers. The discussions are simplistic for that reason.

    If you were going to compare open source development vs. monopolistic commercial development in a realistic way, you'd have to talk about what a horrible job commercial developers did before open source developers started to hold their feet to the fire.

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  6. Microsoft more of a race horse by trigggl · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Microsoft could be compared to a race horse. It's moving very fast in the only direction it can see, while those who are open source are moving fast, but in any direction necessary.

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  7. Fast development by shadewind · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Especially in development, Linux has seen way more speed than Windows. I don't think very much has happened for Windows lately that really matters much in it's usefulness... it only uses up more memory.

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  8. no more adding features = brilliant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    ...great idea!

    If they never added features like: 'XP Look', 'Windows Media Player', 'Windows Messenger', 'easy-to-use wizards' to windows, it would be a much nicer OS.

  9. Re:Could someone... by RazzleFrog · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I'd hate to sound Anti-Linux (because I am not) but I don't think anybody could call it inventive or innovative. It is pretty much following the lead of Microsoft and Apple when it comes to GUI and UNIX everywhere else.

    The analogy is that instead of adding useless features that don't belong on a server in the first place Linux is focusing on providing a stable and secure environment.

  10. Re:Why do people still use Microsoft? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    show me how linux won't be able to fall to a virus like W32/Bagle.j@MM
    http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_1 01071.htm

    what security has been breeched when a home user on a stand-alone system has run a program they recieved over email (and even had to enter a password to unzip)

    if grandma can follow a 5 steps to infect her windows machine, what is stopping grandma from following 5 steps to infect her linux machine?

    even after windows is all secure, we will still have worms.

    what i'm waiting to see sometime is a worm that has 2 parts, one for the windows users and one for the linux users. a mass mailing worm on linux shouldn't be too hard. the linux version could be in perl. after all, (nearly) every distro needs it just to install. cpan to fetch the missing modules for the 'virus' and away you go!

  11. I think they'll just obfuscate more. by MarcQuadra · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I disagree, I think Microsoft is just going to push their proprietary stuf harder, in the false name of security. Sure, they'll have to drop the prices, but Linux will have a tough time 'fitting in' when it can't authenticate against the existing Active Directory servers out there.

    I'm already having trouble getting Macs and Linux boxes to play nice with Active Directory, who KNOWS what sort of proprietary encryption techniques they'll use to keep Linux and Apple boxes out of the core network.

    I can easily see MS dropping support for pre-NTLMv2 logons, which would force Mac users to use MS-controlled authentication modules, that would be rough if they didn't maintain them properly.

    Is there a way now to run an Apache/Linux box and have it authenticate web users against an Active Directory?

    Is there an open-standard directory service that can replace AD, but windows machines can still connect to? Has anyone written an 'OpenDirectory -> pseudo-AD / NT Domains' gateway?

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    1. Re:I think they'll just obfuscate more. by tentimestwenty · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I agree that this is what they'll do but it will only have returns for a few years and then it will turn into a giant liability. On the server side, most people don't care about the extra "features" that bring security when there's a free secure alternative. Windows is already fighting a tough battle there. The difference will come on the desktop side when there's a free secure alternative WITH MAJOR APPS. We're already starting to see some important apps coming to the Linux desktop (perhaps Macromedia soon) and when that happens no one is going to pay more for the "features" that bring security while locking you into an expensive product. Even if Linux gets a few moderate sized apps from semi-important vendors, Microsoft is going to have to open things up or really start innovating to justify the premium price. They basically will have to do what Apple is doing now which I think is wishful thinking. Apple already is the premium brand with all the vertical integration of hardware and is also much more nimble as a company. The market can only support 2 camps - nearly free and very good, and premium priced and very, very good. Proprietary security features will only stave off the hoards for so long.

  12. Unintended Competition by Mordack · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It is worth noting that somehow an operating system created just for the fun of it and never intended to take on Microsoft's product line is doing just that.

    When was the last time one of your educational endevours resulted in taking on a major corporation?

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  13. Microsoft *is* working on security & stability by Daltorak · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "going to force Microsoft to spend more time on security and stability, and less time on adding new features."

    That's exactly what Microsoft has been doing for some time now. We're 2.5 years out from the release of Windows XP; in this time there's been a fairly significant update to Windows Media Player, Movie Maker, and Messenger, and umm... that's it for features, folks! Pretty much everything else MS has released as updates to XP in that timeframe directly addresses security and stability. XP SP2 will be more of the same: all the binaries have been recompiled with stack corruption checking mechanisms in place, the firewall will be turned on by default, automatic updates will be pushed harder than ever, IE will get additional ActiveX security controls, there will be better integration with third-party AV solutions, RPC has been thoroughly worked over to improve security, etc. etc. Even Athlon 64 owners will get additional security in the form of the NX protection.

    There's very little in the way of new features that aren't security-related. The closest one I can think of is the pop-up blocker, and that could even be considered a "job security" feature.

    It's o this CTO's discredit that he has had his head in the sand for so long that he hasn't actually noticed this going on!

  14. Feature churn is a top Windows problem by swb · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One thing that's always driven me batty is the manic-depressive nature of Microsoft's feature development. On day, they announce some new technology with a commitment that seems more impressive than wedding vows, six months later they quietly kill it off in favor of another announcement of some other, newer, technology.

    I'm not against new innovations, but this cycle should be more like 3-5 years, not 6-18 months, they shouldn't be unsupported and obsolete until 5-7 years, minimum. Between a new technology announcement and a real deployment can be 9-18 months depending on a business' needs and budgeting and planning cycles. Replacing it right when you want to deploy it is pretty insane (although I know they want you on the upgrade treadmill).

    And their "new" innovations should in some way be improvements (with perhaps some backwards compatibility) so that they seem to have a coherent, long-term *strategy* and not just a short term marketing idea.

    We'll see if they're capable of being that kind of company.

  15. One thing has changed by trigggl · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm listening, now. Had I known how easy it was to install Linux and use it, I would have done it a long time ago and had better hardware. I haven't paid for an operating system in quite a while, now. Windows has it's uses, but they are getting fewer and far between for me these days. If it weren't for my companies dependency on Outlook, I probably wouldn't even use it there.

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  16. Question... by Roger+Keith+Barrett · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why do idiots^m^m I mean "industry analysts" like the writer of this article always quote insiders at Microsoft but never talk to ANYONE within the open source movement... not even someone like Linus Torvalds or the CEO or red hat? Why do they get ALL their information from the corprate world and NEVER even THINK about getting information from inside the open source world?

    I am not going to take any of these types of reports seriously unless they can get outside of their little corporate biosphere at least once in a while and understand that there is a world outside. I am tired of seeing reports on TV and on bignamed media sites act like anything that is outside of corporate-think is odd, alien, and totally not worthy of mention.

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  17. Re:Is that why by Thanatopsis · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A study that had no real statistical methodology and DISCOUNTED all viruses on the Windows platfom. Yeah that's a great study. Let's throw out all the MS breaches. Wow Linux is breached more than MS. Get a clue!

  18. Re:Isn't this a good thing by benjiboo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    But it's true that the new features are what sell software. I wouldn't like to pay money to upgrade to a more secure product - I'd prefer to have the already paid for, broken one, fixed.

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  19. Re:Linux will beat Windows in the security battle. by Thanatopsis · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sorry but "integrated security environments" are anything but secure. The variety of platform initiatives give Linux it's security. Any integrated platform will have the Microsoft Monoculture problem. Linus isn't interested in drone marketing speak, "integrated security environment" but actual engineering advances! That's why Linux is slow and steady...

  20. Re:Is that why by TheWanderingHermit · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Oh, you're referring to the article that basically excluded data that referred to Windows breaches?

    There was a great comment posted in reference to that story, that it basically said, "After discarding all evidence to the contrary,....."

    Or did you actually read the article instead of popping up with blind fanboyism about your favorite overpriced OS?

  21. Re:Microsoft *is* working on security & stabil by ps_inkling · · Score: 3, Interesting
    IE will get additional ActiveX security controls
    Can I get a control that says if the only signature on the ActiveX control is the VeriSign Time Stamp signature, to not run it?

    Setting the security to not run "signed" ActiveX controls resulted in every spammer and spyware product getting "signed" with a timestamp signature, and allowed to run as if signed by a real certificate.

    For now, I've just turned off ActiveX controls entirely. As a nice side effect, Flash ads no longer work. On the downside, neither does Windows Update via the browser.

  22. Re:Don't you mean... by kisielk · · Score: 5, Interesting

    On the contrary, I think the pengiun is an easily recognizable and very memorable symbol for Linux. It's much easier to remember a cute character like that than some abstract symbol. Judging by the few trade shows I've attended the corporate types just love picking up the stuffed or rubber pengiun toys exhibitors give out. Personally I think they beat out Microsoft's stupid "spider balls" that I got. Not to mention the XP T-shirts that say "Yes you can." (Thanks for the permission by the way ;)

  23. Re:Linux will beat Windows in the security battle. by vivek7006 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The problem for Microsoft is Longhorn isn't expected to be released until 2006. By then, Gus Zinn, an analyst with Waddell & Reed, expects Linux will have killed off most of the Unix market, setting the stage for the real showdown against Microsoft

    I think this prediction is rather interesting. Where will UNIX vendors go from there? Everyone knows where SCO is going, but what about SUN and others?

  24. Re:Linux will beat Windows in the security battle. by hey! · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Emphasis added:

    No matter how many security researchers Microsoft get to look at their source there will always be more looking at linux.

    There's a bit of wishful thinking here. One highly capable expert is probably worth a thousand pairs of moderately capable eyeballs.

    MS is hampered in the "security battle" by two things. First, it is a larger and more attractive target. Second, it's near term business interests and practices don't make security as high a priority as we would like it to be.

    I think most people think Microsoft could do a better job. Eventually, I believe MS will do a better job, when it becomes the highest and best use of MS's resources. Right now, MS has a lot of irons in the fire; it takes a lot of bandwidth to maintain and extend global dominance in several different areas of software. It's a matter of competing interests. Sure, it would be in MS's interest to really secure their products. However it's probably a higher priority to keep potential competition off balance by keeping the goalposts moving. Whose interests do MS's various initiatives like dot-net really serve? Who asked for them? Certainly not the consumers.

    Mainly, the effect of these initiatives is to keep the ground shifting underneath the compettion. MS is very agile; with its enormous resources it can operate in this environment much better than its commercial competition, especially when it controls the ground shifts.

    In short, when Microsoft says it maintains its monopoly by innovation, believe them. The catch is that the innovation is not really targetted to the benefit of the consumers, but mainly to the detriment of their competition. Which explains MS's lackluster performance in creating meaningful innovations.

    The costs of this strategy are three fold: development, complexity, and insecurity. Microsoft bears the development costs, its competitors the complexity costs, and the consumer the insecurity costs. If MS ever allowed their products to mature so that they were updated at a modest rate, the rate at which vulnerabilities were closed would be significantly higher than the rate at which they are created. Net progress in security would be made much faster.

    However, progress towards creating interoperable competition would also come much faster. Since MS's dominance is such that despite its security record the vast majority of consumers see no practical alternative, there is no real incentive for them to fundamentally alter their corporate values. They may sincerely try harder, but it's not going to be the most imporant thing on their plate in the immediate future.

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  25. Re:get serious by Trurl's+Machine · · Score: 4, Interesting

    No, I was stating that it is more recognizable. Anyone that has seen and realized what Tux is forever links it with Linux. It is a unique logo that can spread the brand name around all over the place.

    Hardly. Unfortunately, the idea "let's promote our brand by adopting a cute penguin as our logo" was too obvious NOT to be already taken. In Great Britain, penguin is associated rather with a popular paperback publisher. In Poland, it is associated with a popular pre-paid cell phone operator. People can see Tux on screen and think it's just some cross-promotion of a computer manufacturer, paperpack publisher and phone operator.

  26. Re:Linux obviously needs more time on security, to by Krojack · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What you're missing is there will be a fix for this within 24-48 hours. If this was in windows the fix would be kept quiet for who knows how long and if the hole goes public then it would take 1+ months for MS to put out a fix.

    How long did it take them to put out a fix for the IE URL Spoofing Vulnerability? Read up bud: IE URL Spoofing Vulnerability

    Changelog:
    2003-12-11: Linked to test. Added information regarding variant, which makes it possible to spoof URL in the status bar as well.
    2003-12-14: Microsoft has issued a knowledge base article concerning the issue. This also reports that version 5.x is affected.
    2003-12-19: Scams mails exploiting the vulnerability are now circulating the Internet.
    2004-02-02: Microsoft issues patches. Added CVE reference.

    Almost 2 whole months for people to get exploites in the SPAM e-mail.

  27. All They Have Is Features by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Because of design decisions, MS can never compete fully on security and stability. All the have are features and marketing.

    Linux is becoming a commodity OS, leaving vendors to compete on service and support. MS will always be behind. They just have a tremendous market share to wither away over a long time.

  28. Re:Windows' TCO *IS* less than Linux... by Limburgher · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is becoming less true as time moves forward. Linux is slowly creeping into the enterprise I work at, and the two people there with Linuz skillz (myself and one other guy) are also highly Windoze-skilled. The Linux machines are typically configure-and-forget about, they're so stable, so TCO is negligible.

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  29. Re:Why do people still use Microsoft? by Araneas · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Troll Feeding Time!

    Because a Microsoft product will install on my hardware without kernel recompilation.

    Mandrake detected everything. No recomplilation, now driver downloads.

    Because a Microsoft product will work with a wider range of hardware.

    Mandrake saw everything I had. I had to get additional windows drivers for my scanner, printer and a whole software suite just to run my digital camera.

    Because there is documentation, training, certification of support personnel.

    man, apropos, various certs are all available. Most importantly, config files are easily user editable unlike the registry.

    Because almost all written for Microsoft applications look and feel the same and I have no installation, navigation, etc user issues.

    Gnome - no problem with this.

    Becasue I can be sure I can exchange a file and not create problems at the other end.

    I had a client using Word Perfect. Word butchered the doc completely.

    Because it crashes so seldom as to be ignorable.

    Yes if you reinstall every 6 months.

    Because there is one button to push for support.

    For support, I look in the mirror. And I don't pay exhorbitant per incident fees.

    Because I don't have to worry about patch sets, Microsoft maintains my platform.

    I maintain my platform. I know what's going on it. I don't have to worry about the ever changing EULA.

    Because Microsoft just enables me to get my work done.

    Linux does that for me. Microsoft eats my files.

    When Linux can say all that, I'll buy it and eben pay for support. Until then, it is a wonderful development environment and a wonderful server ... but I have work to do.

    Me too.

    Open office is never being asked to accept changes when you haven't made any.

  30. Re:get serious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    95% of the world doesn't even know Linux exists.

    I would disagree. My 71 year old mother asked me what I thought about Linux... and that was more than three years ago. She knows nothing about computers but linux is in the media everywhere. She reads the paper and watches TV.

  31. Re:It's Irrelevant Parable Time on Slashdot by Mulletproof · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It depends whose profit you're talking about, the user's or Microsoft's.

    Splitting hairs.
    MS is making profit because average joe is by and large satisified with what the product does. If they were as disenfranchised as the average Linux fan-boy would have you believe, there'd have been an massive uprising against them a long time ago. In other words you can say Windows "hurts" the consumer, but obviously not enough to make Linux an attractive alternative for 80% of the world's population.

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  32. Japan doesn't agree with you. Or the EU. by Wohali · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Funny, small but cute characters don't seem to be a problem in Japan.

    Quit taking such a US-centric view of the market. Given the realities of the declining economy, and the increasing trend towards humanization of technology interfaces, perhaps a penguin is the right move after all.

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  33. Re:Why do people still use Microsoft? by Jim_Maryland · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Obviously Microsoft is still in use and probably for many of the reasons you've stated. I believe the point of the article is more that Linux certainly has the potential to pass Microsoft if Microsoft doesn't stay alert.

    Why people shouldn't use Microsoft

    Monopolistic software tactics (probably not important to a home users, but to software developers, this is a big issue)

    Documentation is weak. Often I find a circular pattern when trying to resolve a problem (look at document A, points to document B, document B points to document C, document C points to document A, and none of these answered my question).

    Microsoft patching is not a simple process. They've got the Update site, but if I have to patch hundreds of systems, this is not acceptable. I certainly don't want to put this burden on the end user and writing login scripts to handle this (like I'd want to have the local user with administrative rights for installations) or using applications like SMS (additional cost).

    The Microsoft backup solution is to reinstall the operating system, create disk mirrors and break the mirror to create a point in time snapshot (XP does have the snapshot capabilities - guess they learned something from other companies), the internal backup software (and how can I access that without first reinstalling the OS to get to the utility?), or third party solutions (additional cost).

    Applications (I know, this isn't the OS, but I'm including one's written by Microsoft) often require the accounts to have administrative rights.

    The tight coupling of the browser and the OS is responsible for security holes.

    Single process can bring the system to a stand still. Multi-tasking has improved, but still has room to mature.

    Single user for the system (unless you are at a server with Terminal Services - additional cost).

    Microsoft has enjoyed market dominance for a while and probably will into the near future. Unless they duplicate the functionality of some of the competitiors, they may find that the tortoise is in front of them.

    Linux has a ways to go before it will take over the desktop market, but at the server, it's competing. Just like the Unix flavors started removing some of the "mystery" of system administration by duplicating functionality from it's competitors (GUIs, installers, etc...), Linux must learn from it's competition too.

  34. Re:Is that why by TheWanderingHermit · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yeah--the one that excluded user-run executables, as it should have.

    Of course it should, because as long as it does, it supports their view (and yours).

    Witness the Slashbot--if I dare criticize Linux, I am somehow a Microsoft fanboy.

    This makes me wish there were irony tags in HTML, since I was basically using sarcism to show how the original "fanboy" comment sounded. Glad you agree that kind of comment does sound juvenile. (Funny how some things sound worse from another mouth -- or keyboard!)

  35. Re:Don't you mean... by milkman_matt · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There's a reason corporations don't choose logos like Tux: they want to convey an impression of professionalism.

    But what about /.'s "Linux Business" Tux, I know it sounds funny, but I half agree with you, and half disagree as well. I think Tux is an excellent mascot due to it's recognizability, I don't think it's terribly UNprofessional, if by professional you mean IBM's big blue lined letters, SUN's neat logo. We've also got a few large companies with strange or less 'professional looking' logos, one with a stupid little window logo, people certainly won't be doodling that one on a napkin when they get bored, and one with a plain ol' apple, well, it's chrome now, so I guess it's more professional? In any case, I think if they were to use the Linux Business Tux maybe they could squeeze forward in the business world, while using the regular Tux to denote their 'home' versions. I think that may actually be an outstanding marketing approach.

    Linux Home Edition (tux)
    Linux Enterprise Edition (business tux)
    Linux Firewall Edition (tux in a firefighter outfit? or camo?)
    Linud Router Edition (tux in a traffic cop outfit)

    Several possibilities...

    -matt

  36. The 64bit changeover (we are talking servers) by RoundSparrow · · Score: 3, Interesting

    2GB RAM limits and /3GB hacks in Windows have reached their limit for a lot of server uses. When doing VM style systems or large databases...

    How does Windows complete? To get 'official support' from Microsoft for more than 2GB of RAM you have to purchase the very expensive Server Enterprise Edition. We aren't talking $500 (Windows 2000 Server) vs. free, we are talking $1,500 vs free.

    64-bit Windows is still 'beta'... I think Microsoft has already let the door open... They were ahead on Itanium but now behind on the AMD.

    Giving up the 64-bit Alpha might proove to be the mistake that Microsoft made that lead to this...

    Just some thoughts.

  37. Re:Is that why by Xabraxas · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Yeah--the one that excluded user-run executables, as it should have.

    You forgot that they also didn't give any statistical percentages. They only used raw numbers and if you looked a little deeper you would find that it was only webservers, which are dominated more by linux than windows. So you have hard numbers showing more linux servers breached, while there are more linux servers to be breached out there. On top of that the explanation of the collection of evidence was pretty weak. So I would say you are the fanboy here.

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  38. Graphical logos better than text by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The Shell logo is a lot more recognisable and is quicker to assimilate than the word "SHELL" spelt out in big letters. That's why they removed the word from their logo years ago.

    I think that the IT sector is overflowing with boring logos and stylised names. And if I see another logo with a meaningless eliptical sweep around the company name, I swear I'm gonna scream!

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  39. OS/2, Windows 16-bit vs 32-bit by RoundSparrow · · Score: 2, Interesting


    I think those in the Open Source community are ignoring this 64bit issue...

    In many ways Microsoft outdid IBM by playing the platform change. Why? Well, because backward binary compatibility. It is one thing to do the API's, but thunking kills you.

    In open source -- hello - the future of Linux is Gentoo. we are talking (on this Slashdot story) SERVERS HERE, people who are willing to compile... FreeBSD and OpenBSD have demonstrated that.

    With open source you can recompile all you binaries and not have any need to mix modes. If you have to run 32bit combined with 64bit, do it over the network... not on the same machine.

    Microsoft will have to support binary compatibility... and that will hurt...

    A 64-bit native Linux running Wine as a 'compatibility box' sounds a lot like OS/2 2.0 'windows mode' was during the bridge to 32-bit. Too bad IBM didn't know how to market their product...

    Linux users, are you listening?

  40. Re:Why do people still use Microsoft? by SnappleMaster · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There have been Windows viruses that replicate without user intervention. Obviously those are freaking disasters.

    But many of the viruses out there require a user to click on something and run a program. Running as admin or not really doesn't matter if all the virus wants to do is read your address book and mail copies of itself to your (also stupid) friends.

    I'm not Linux expert but I assume:
    - Linux mailers can present executable attachments to clueless users, and
    - Linux mailers have address books

    That's all that would be required to emulate the "clueless Windows user" type of virus. Most Linux users are not clueless, however, so there would be little point.

    The fact that there are so many clueless MS users does not reflect badly on MS. In fact quite the opposite.

    And yes, MS OSes in the past have been flakey as hell. But with Windows XP IMHO the problem is 100% solved. I have never rebooted an XP or Windows 2000 Server box to fix a problem(disclaimer: my server needs are not stressful). They reboot occasionally to apply patches and that's it. I believe I had my 2000 server up for over 8 months last year (got lazy, didn't check for updates for a while).

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  41. Re:Don't you mean... by antiMStroll · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The lack of structured branding is part of Linux's character and charm and in my eyes, paradoxically, almost an anti-branding form of branding. Going back to "MS" or "i" always makes me feel like I'm sitting in front of 'product', something Linux never does, save for the more corporately focused distros like RedHat's BlueCurve effort.

  42. Re:Don't you mean... by wukie · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The problem with the "Tux" is it's universal to Linux. You need to start somewhere. Sort of like saying BSD.

    There is only one Microsoft, but there are many players in the Linux game. Which do you follow?

    I think Linux (I have moved to FreeBSD) needs a group to really take the lead, something like the consortium Suse and others tried to form, but Redhat wasn't in it. Obviously this won't happen any time soon. Infact I see the problem getting worse (which is why I switched to FreeBSD).

    At the end of the day, it's all about available applications and how easy they are to use for the employees of the people who make the big decisions. I have seen rediculous amounts spent on IT with a good chunk going to Microsoft, and I don't see thinks changing overnight in companies that have been using MS products for the last 10 years. Certainly a Linux server or two might pop up, but it's been my experience the employees whine to the middle managers who whine to the big guns and it's back to MS on the desktop (even Apple was disliked). Sure I have no problems with any windows manager, and neither do most people who haunt slashdot, but the average joe/jane likes to the same desktop at work and at home.

    The worst/weirdest (some would find funny, but you had to be there) incident I ever had was a woman who went ballistic, I mean freaked out big time when I minimized Word to look at something. She literally started screaming "what did you do", and "bring it back, bring it back" with a waiting room full of people (I'm self conscious). Well MSWord was in her Start-up folder in Win3.1 and she just turned the computer of at the power when she was done which was causing the problems. I couldn't imagine a person like her changing to Open Office, besides she's probably still using Win3.1 if the hardware hasn't died.

  43. Windows interoperability is a crock. by rastin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My official title is 'SQL Server Guru' and I am responsible for 5 servers at a retail mega-corp. If I am not relearning how to create a better wheel in .Net (from having previously known VS6), I am preparing for countless migrations. SQL7 to SQL2K, WinNT to Win2K, IIS whatever to whatever, not to mention countless security patches that all seem to break more than they fix. Not to mention dll hell and what happens when MDAC gets replaced with an older version. All this crap masquerades under the banner of 'Windows Interoperability'. Take in contrast the AIX box I have that runs Apache (IBM's flavor) and uses perl and php to connect to Amazon.com. Our admins load whatever they want, if it breaks they back out their changes. I have a cd with all my code that I can deploy to any system I want, tweak 2 files and I'm back in production. We even had to rewrite parts of Curl to handle nonstandard headers. This machine has to be available 98% of the time. It has been up since November. My mission critical Windows machine has been up since middle of February. It is more important to me that with a text editor and an internet connection I can fix ANYTHING. Than to be sold on software components that have a 3 year lifecycle. Wow, that rant was better than therapy. Back to my damn migration plan. PS: It is easier to run an enterprise with no Microsoft components than it is to run one with nothing but Microsoft components.

  44. Re:Don't you mean... by stephanruby · · Score: 3, Interesting
    linux doesn't really have that. sure there's "gnu" as in "gnutar" - but everyone just says "tar" anyway. and "k" and "g" for the desktop manager... but there's not over-arching naming mechanism that says "this is linux".

    For corporations, Linux has IBM. For everything else, it has the penguin and the simple but memorable Linux name.

    Besides, Linux is no longer a brand name, it's its own category. For now, some people still want Linux to be like Windows, but eventually everyone will want Windows to be like Linux.

    Notice, I didn't say "MS Windows", only the marketing people, the retarded, and the overly constipated say "MS Windows".