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Tracking Social Networking In Shakespeare Plays

An anonymous reader writes "By feeding PieSpy (an IRC bot used to visualise social networks) with the entire texts of Shakespeare plays, it became possible to produce drawings of the social networks present in his plays - it is now possible to visualize the relationships between the characters in his works, and see Shakespeare in an entirely new light."

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  1. What about... by lofoforabr · · Score: 5, Interesting

    feeding a program written in Shakespeare Programming Language to it? Should be real fun!

  2. As Spock would say... by DukeLinux · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Facinating. Unfortunately, the video on the web site raised an error. Slashdot effect? If this technique were applied to other great works I wonder if any patterns might emerge?

    1. Re:As Spock would say... by AndroidCat · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Never mind great works, how about soap operas?

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  3. Can ANYONE explain by Dark+Lord+Seth · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... the latest craze about social networks like Orkut or Friendster? I'm indifferent to the internet or the people on the internet so I highly doubt social networks on the net will ever be even slightly interesting for me, personally. But I really don't see what's worth the fuss about them, because they aren't exactly incorporating ground-breaking technologies, stunning visualizations nor original and efficient business plans. So while I don't doubt the fact these "social networks" are fun for those participating, I don't actually see anything about them that's worthy of a front page post on Slashdot...

    Maybe a nice new topic on Slashdot called "The Internet Society" with stuff like *logs, social networks and everything else regarding the social aspects of the internet?

    1. Re:Can ANYONE explain by D-Cypell · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't actually see anything about them that's worthy of a front page post on Slashdot...

      Well they do seem worthy of an actual feature of slashdot. Isnt the friend or foe feature just a limited depth social network map?

      I quite often see the 'friend of a friend' or 'foe of a friend' icons on posts as im reading through, so it seems that social networks are very much a part of this community.

    2. Re:Can ANYONE explain by yerM)M · · Score: 3, Interesting
      In this case there is some wonderful synergy between popular conceits (i.e. the wonder of social networks) and science (i.e. the wonder of protein networks). One interesting aspect of both such networks is the concept of hubs.

      Let's take the yeast protein interaction network as an example. This network describes the physical interaction of various proteins in that protein A binds to protein B and does something useful, like telling your mitochondria to make more energy. It turns out that some proteins interact with WAY more proteins than on average. In yeast some interact with >260 proteins while the average is around 3. For social networks, think of Kevin Bacon here.

      Now, well add some complexity. Suppose you want to initially model a human disease in yeast. Now you have to find the networks that the human has in common with the yeastie. If this happens to include the proteins associated with the disease you would like to model, bang, you're in luck. Chances are that this small network will include a hub, but in my experience they are just hangers-on and not really related to the disease model.

      Now back to social networks. Let's suppose you identify a collection of the population with some desireable relationship, let's say for example that you notice that a cluster of people tend to buy low-end luxury cars. You can annotate their small network with as much data as possible, where they went to school, what year, the cost of the houses they own, where they live, etc. This becomes a kernel from which you can find other social networks in other places. Now that you have this matching piece, who would you choose to give the wicked low discount on a BMW? You guessed it, the hub. More people would see her/him driving along beaming and glowing in a spanking new beamer. I can almost guarantee that this will happen at some point in the future. Currently the hub's are celeberities because they are 'seen' by more people, but it is kind of impersonal.

      In any case, the main problem is that social networks are HUGE so much more complicated to search in this way. If you are interested, you can check out my paper in PNAS

      Now if I could just find some investors for the social network side...

  4. Re:ENG 201 by templest · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You must of had a pretty crappy teacher then. TV pretty much made me hate shakespear back in the day, but my highschool english teacher actually made it good. Macbeth kicks ass, and to you sir, I bite my thumb.

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  5. Hamlet and Macbeth? Quite different. by ianscot · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Are we talking about the plays or the characters? Either way there's a huge difference between Hamlet and Macbeth. The plots and the characters are plenty distinct. You had trouble confusing Ophelia with Lady Macbeth? How'd you manage that?

    (If anything a diagram of social relationships would reduce them to something that looked more similar than they really are.)

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  6. Stephen King by skroz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Feed Stephen King's books through this thing. I know (sad) people that have dedicated huge portions of their lives to finding the interconnections between his books and characters. It'd be interesting to see just how deeply connected all of his books are.

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  7. feds can use it by oohp · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This can be used by the FBI do track down script kiddies. They put it on a couple of channels where the kiddie is on, see who's the kiddie's friends are, identify them, catch them, interrogate them, find out who the kiddie is and catch him.

  8. We used to do that back in school... by ferkelparade · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...only for Schiller plays because that's what's usually read in German classrooms. Basically, we created a chart for every play where all the characters were connected by four different types of arrows which were labeled "kills", "tries to kill", "fucks" and "tries to fuck". Ah, the memories...

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  9. Re:ENG 201 by kimota · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think he would've been fine with it, as long as he was getting his cut. You have to remember that most of his plays were adaptations of others' work (in other literary forms sometimes), he gave us sequels, and at least in one major case (King Lear), he took a popular legend and gave it a surprise ending. He strikes me as having been *perfectly* willing to let a story morph as necessary to make it more interesting for its medium.

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  10. Re:ENG 201 by Keebler71 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wonder what Shakespeare would think if he knew that his plays were learned by students the world over in TEXT format. These were -plays- after all. I think he would be happier with people viewing them as movies than just sitting and reading them.

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  11. /. Friends by wideBlueSkies · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wonder how this would look if applied to the /. friends/foes database.

    It'd be interesting to see how the community is aligned.

    wbs.

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  12. Rosencrantz is there, but not Guildenstern? by Metasquares · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Considering that Rosencrantz and Guildenstern can almost be seen as one character in Hamlet, I'm curious as to why Rosencrantz is in the network, but Guildenstern is not.

  13. Henry V... what the...? by mjh · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I'm not a Shakespearian scholar, but I did very much enjoy Henry V. I don't remember any scenes where the Hostess interacted with the King of France. I can think of three possibilities for the descrepancy:
    1. I am forgetting a scene
    2. I am misreading the graph
    3. This thing isn't very accurate
    Anyone else got any input? How should I be reading this?
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  14. Re:ENG 201 by C10H14N2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Oddly enough, there seems to be a direct correlation between the number of years spent studying Shakespeare and the intellectual distance from the mob that first appreciated it. Every once in awhile someone hauls out the perennial "let's take something blatantly trashy a deliver as high Shakespearean" or vice versa and the audience coos and gushes at the artistic genius of the director. Meanwhile, the rest of the population takes a knowing glance, shrugs, and wanders off.

  15. I wonder to what extent... by Denyer · · Score: 2, Interesting
    ...this will bring data-mining to the English curriculum? I know for a fact that part of one of my university grades was a result of nothing more complicated than searching the text of Heart of Darkness for gendered pronouns.

    A particularly welcome use of technology, although as a budding English teacher I may be somewhat biased... ;)

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  16. Re:ENG 201 by Rallion · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Unfortunately, his work would still be stolen from the pens of giants that came long before him.

    He probably would be doing things like, say, The Musketeer, or that Count of Monte Cristo movie, but doing them the way they should have been done.

  17. Re:Swimming to Cambodia by 1iar_parad0x · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Oddly, the graph for a Spaulding Gray movie looks an awful lot like a Steven Segal movie.

    Perhaps "Under Siege" would appear as a spiral (like a black hole) with him at the center!

    Actually, Spaulding Gray (I've only seen Gray's Anatomy) plays many parts in his plays/movies. So a good textual analysis would reveal that.

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