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Burnt Coffee and Burnt CDs
senzafine writes "Cnet reports that HP and Starbucks are jointly working on Storefront Coffeeshops which will allow people to browse and listen to music from a digital library...and have selected songs burned to cd. Sounds really cool...wonder how long before Starbucks and HP get John Doe lawsuits in the mail. --- But does this seem like an idea that would work?"
This actually would work out quite nicely for Starbucks, because all music [i]currently[/i] in store is put out by their own label.
Kids these days. They don't know the difference between classic, and just plain old.
And you want to know why? Because you have no clue as to how to read the law.
Sec. 1002. - Incorporation of copying controls
No person shall import, manufacture, or distribute any digital audio recording device or digital audio interface device that does not conform to -
(1)
the Serial Copy Management System;
Computers do not conform to SCMS. So either computers are illegal or computers cannot be considered a digital audio recording device. It's your choice. I'd rather pick choice #2.
Starbucks has always had a connection to Hear Music. Thats who makes their cds for resale currently, and does their in store music.
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the prices are:
You get 5 tracks for $6.99 and $1 per each track after 5. With your CD you get a custom designed cardboard package with user designed 4 color insert) plus a four color image (and your CD title) printed on the CD itself (no sharpies used here).
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Actually Starbucks has been in the music business since before 1999. In 1999 they aquired a small company called Hear Music. Hear Music prides itself on being a small group of people who really know and love music. Hear Music are the same people who program the music you hear in the Starbucks stores and the same people who create the starbucks compilations.
Hear Music also has a few record stores in California. The store in Santa Monica re-opening on tuesday has been on the third street promenade for over 6 years.
So where is the synergy? How about picking up a latte and then listening to any CD in the store -- full length CD, not 30 second samples.
I'm not sure where you went to law-school (probably not Cornell) but section 1008 mentions nothing of the importation or distrobution of the actual copyrighted material. Section 1008 simply protects CDRs Inc. from being brought to court because their customers were selling copyrighted music on their CDs.
In short: It states that the manufactures are not responsible for what the customers choose to do with their products. I don't know where you drew from this that the customers therefore have the right to "the "sharing" of digital music files".
It says right on their site that they're using an HP branded version of iTunes. I'm not sure if this will extend to the Starbucks deal but it seems extremely likely. Why would they choose Apple, iTunes and the iPod and then offer a service that competes with that?
Because coffee stores don't sell stamped music CD's. Music stores do sell stamped music CD's.
I don't know about your local starbucks, but my local starbucks sells stamped CDs, assuming you mean non-burn offical release CDs. I don't know of a Starbucks that doesn't have music during business hours, sometimes after, and offer the CD. Some even have listening stations as well.
Besides, I thought music stores were loosing out to walmart rather then burn on demand systems.
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So your interpretation of the law differs from his..? Why is yours correct and his incorrect?
Because the original poster's is wrong, maybe?
Look at the piece that the original poster even pasted:
No action may be brought under this title alleging infringement of copyright based on the manufacture, importation, or distribution of a digital audio recording device, a digital audio recording medium...
It's clear as day that they are talking about manufacturing/importing/distribution devices or mediums... Ie, Computers/tape recorders/Ipods or CDRs...
This section says nothing whatsoever about the actual infringement of copyrighted materials.
This is maybe why people need to get the advice of lawyers. I have always felt that reading contracts/laws was relatively straightforward... But so did the original poster, and he is completely wrong.
What's next? I'm going to get a free song with a Happy Meal?
Actually, there is a rumor floating around that McDonald's may give away 1 billion songs at some undetermined point in the future.
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I think when they're talking about the $5 cups, they're probably referring to everything but the plain coffee. The plain coffee is ~$2 for a venti, but everything else is ~$5 for a venti (like white chocolate mocha), although I wouldn't call their regular coffee premium, even in quotes!
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I often hear things in record stores, etc. and would love to have an easy way to buy it.
Walk to record store guy that's selecting the music. Call out that you wanna have the CD with the song he/she is playing. Buy CD. Which part is confusing you?
Starbuck's prices in Canada are lower than its prices in the United States. They are even lower numerically, before taking into account the $1 CAN = $0.75 US exchange rate.
This is an example of market segmentation, or of the dominance of Starbucks in the US - thay can afford to charge more than $3 for a large coffee here, because people will pay it. In Canada, they will just go across the street to a Second Cup or a Tim Hortons.
Share. Until it becomes uncomfortable. Or at least a little.