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Stretchy Wires to Create Artificial Nerves

Roland Piquepaille writes "Researchers from the Johns Hopkins University have built electronic circuits which exhibit a rubbery behavior. The flexible circuits, built by using gold springs, can stretch like rubber. And Nature says that these stretchy wires can be used to create artificial nerves bending inside our bodies or wearable electronics. 'Wiring like this could be woven into stretchy sports clothing and used to connect up sensors that monitor athletic performance. Rubbery electrodes made from biocompatible materials might be attached to a beating heart and used to sense impending problems.' This overview contains more details and references about these flexible wires."

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  1. How long until... by PornMaster · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...they're putting them into condoms to build up a database for "virtual sex"?

    1. Re:How long until... by WormholeFiend · · Score: 3, Interesting

      it wouldnt surprise me if the pr0n industry serves as a test-bed for this new technology, as it did with previous others.

      the parent said 'condoms'... but I thought 'dildos'.

      not that I know anything about using those devices. they are, as some say, 'not my bag'.
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  2. Excellent idea by BigBadBri · · Score: 4, Funny
    Now I can make the electro-stimulation Condom!

    Thrills for you and for her - with the optional audio input, you too cam throb to the music of lurrrve gods such as Barry White or Motorhead!

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    1. Re:Excellent idea by The+I+Shing · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh, c'mon, we could have condoms that bestow immortality on the women we use them with, and we still ain't gettin' any.

      The best we can hope for is sell those condoms to guys with waistbands under 48 inches and use the money to buy porn.

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  3. Prior art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Perhaps the bendy straw people should sue.

  4. Re:Use in sports? by PhilippeT · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ummm how about we use this to monitor all the athleets to see if any are using "performance enhancing drugs". it's a monitoring not enhancing thing

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  5. Whoa... by Bluesman · · Score: 4, Funny

    "The wires can stretch to over half their original length."

    Is it me, or does this violate some law of grammar, physics, or both?

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    1. Re:Whoa... by avendesora · · Score: 4, Funny

      Doesn't violate those laws, just streches them out a bit :-)

  6. IC by Raptorman2k · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wonder if this could help patients with I.C. It's rather painful and if the "new nerves" can be made to ignore certain impulses...that'd be very beneficial. Very intriguing, anyway

  7. Excersize control? by toygeek · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Excersize control: imagine your DVD playing the workout tape, and a machine monitoring your muscles as you work out. The DVD says "You need to work harder on your abs, the muscles aren't working hard enough". THAT would be cool. I know I could use it.

  8. Reporters can use over half their minds! by Zarf · · Score: 4, Funny

    Caption from Graphic:The wires can stretch to over half their original length.

    Elsewhere, cars were noticed to speed up to over half their original speed! Proof readers were able to increase their accuracy to over half their original accuracy! I increased my IQ to over half it's original size!

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  9. Polymer confusion by manganese4 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As another example of the article being poorly put together: The article states "The usual way to make stretchable conductors is to embed metal particles in a rubbery polymer. But the particles tend to separate when the material is stretched, causing the electrical conductivity to plummet."

    But the research in the end use a polymer which I assume would have to be rubbery in order to strech with the spring.
    " Instead of fashioning the gold wires into helical springs, however, they gave them a flat, oscillating shape, like a meandering river, since this is easier to make. They manufactured them by electroplating gold onto a sheet of silver, surrounding the wires with polymer and then stripping the silver away."

    Admittedly metal particles and metal wires are slightly different but a wire is simply a structure made up of particles.

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  10. A step ahead by GillBates0 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I, for one, am waiting for the day when we will not require hardware to be made from metals and other hard substances.

    Most devices/machines today depend heavily on a motors/engines/circuits that are not usually flexible and need to maintain a rigid structure. Sure, we try to cover/encapsulate these devices in a pleasing exterior (car bodies, plastic casings etc) in order to protect the hardware and us from the dangerous interiors.

    Imagine cars made up of soft cushiony/rubbery material, which bounces back to absorb a collision...the metal body can dent in and absorb the force of the impact, but it works only against collisions against other cars/hard objects -- not against collisions with humans/animals and other "soft" substances.

    Ofcourse, we could have a soft covering for cars, made of a cushiony substance, but the problem has been embedding circuits/machinery in the soft exteriors, because they tend to bend and damage the interiors.

    Nature has found the perfect way to create organs/pumps/filters/wires which are made out of soft tissue, and is malleable enough to survive severe tension/distortion and bending.

    Here's to hoping that one day we will be able to create soft fuzzy machines which won't be so hard on our water-bag bodies.

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  11. Finally! by sbma44 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Wires that bend! Great job on the breakthrough, guys.

    Seriously though, this sounds fine for integrating electronics into fabrics, but the "artificial nerve" idea conjures images on Christopher Reeve leaping up and tap dancing. This invention doesn't sound like it has any therapeutic uses that a normal wire doesn't. Perhaps users of vagus nerve stimulators or other devices requiring in vivo wiring could be a little more physically vigorous without worrying about things pulling or breaking... but I have my doubts about even that.

  12. If my Slinky taught me anything . . . by 93,000 · · Score: 5, Funny

    One kink and it's trash can city.

  13. Oh, yay. Finally we can get rid of all that gold. by Punk+Walrus · · Score: 4, Funny
    The flexible circuits, built by using gold springs...

    Wow. Just what we needed. Yet another use for Gold. You know, it being so damn plentiful and all. I was just saying to myself, as I threw away another gold can of soda, "I sure how they find a use for this stuff, because if not, Gold doesn't oxidize or break down very easily, and it will burst our landfills if we don't start a recycling program!" Maybe all those out-of-work gold miners can finally feel useful again, and not be he butt of environmentalist hate.

    Why don't they ever find a great new way to use garbage?

  14. Wow... by Xepherys2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm feeling like I could be the 6 trillion dollar man any year now... between this, powered exoskeletal legs, BrainGate computer hacker upgrades, and health-enhancing contact lenses, I'll be a super sapper in no time. I wonder how much of this my beloved US Army has actually looked into.

  15. Re:Um... by ajlitt · · Score: 3, Informative

    We've had them for many years. It's called NiTiNOL. Nitinol is a metal alloy that, when used in wires, constricts when current is passed through it (heating phase) and stretches when it is idle (cooling phase). This is also the same material that those bend-proof wire glasses frames are made of. See http://www.dynalloy.com/AboutNitinol.html for just one manufacturer's info page.

  16. that isn't how it works by blair1q · · Score: 3, Interesting

    are they going to coat them in extensible insulator, too?

    and every crush-injury will destroy them

    these guys need ome more requirements analysis

  17. Great by An-Unnecessarily-Lon · · Score: 3, Funny

    How long till I have to upgrade/patch the OS on my underwear?

  18. Not ready for the real world by gunnk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the article:

    "the researchers estimate that the wires should be able to withstand several thousand cycles of extension and contraction."

    That's no where NEAR what would be needed for any of the applications they mention. For example, at 70 beats per minute your heart beats 100,800 times per day. Assuming each step a runner takes covers 3 feet (very approximate here), then a "cycle" (back to starting configuration) is 6 ft. That's 880 "cycles" per mile. A single 6 mile run is therefore over 5000 cycles.

    Several thousand "cycles of extension and contraction" is not even close to enough for any real world app. Who wants to have that internal heart monitor replaced several times each day? How about that high-tech single use "smart" sweatshirt?

    These will need to be in the 100's of thousands to millions of cycles for their lifespan before they have any real utility.

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    1. Re:Not ready for the real world by SB9876 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The expected lifetime of these wires will be heavily dependent upon the total strain they encounter in the duty cycle. Basically, it depends upon whether the deformation of the gold is in the elastic or plastic portion of the deformation curve.

      Small deformations just cause the atoms in the gold (or any other material) to get closer or further apart. This is elastic deformation and can be done about infinity + 1 times before the metal breaks. eg: you can slightly flex a paper clip until doomsday and it is largely unaffected.

      Larger deformations actually cause the atoms to start moving around, changing places in the atomic lattice structure to accomodate the strain. This is primarily accomplished by the movement of defects and dislocations through the material. This is plastic deformation and each plastic deformation lowers the lifetime of the material. eg: if you take a paper clip and start seriously bending it, in a few cycles, the part you're bending breaks off.

      I have no idea what the threshhold is between plastic and elastic deformation in these wires is but it should be possible to design devices where the flex wires are in the elastic deformation regime most of the time. Eg: a smart shirt would have flex wires designed to be in the elastic regime when you're skipping around, swinging your arms, whistling show tunes. However, when you trip over a comatose mime and fall into an open storm serwer, the wires would be plastically deformed but won't break like conventional electrodes would in the same situation. Thus giving us essential data to force passage of the mime prevention act of 2008.

  19. Re:Potential Privacy Issue by Xepherys2 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Hmm, I could see this as a BIG thing for social studies, however. Sure, from a required standpoint it's horrible, but it'd never fly. From a science standpoint.

    I'd love to see experiments done where volunteers wear clothing (shoes, hats, socks, pants, underwear, shirts) with this type of thing embedded to collect data. This could be SO useful...

    * Wear and tear points in clothing. Wear do different clothing styles rub against someone, potentially uncomfortably, depending on the body shape and size.

    * hot/cold comfort... Where does the wearer get hotter, colder based on wear of certain overcoats, garments and standard clothing

    * posture studies... how do people really sit, stand, skip and run? once again, by body shape, age, race, culture, locale

    * interaction studies... check for nervousness and pulse rate and the like based on social interaction. This could be done with wires and straps and such, but those things also impose tehmselves on wearers. THis could be done "on the sly" like the driving studies about how much people pay attention, when they THINK it's about seeing how they react to traffic and road conditions. (can't find a link... if someone knows of one, post it... interesting read).

    I'm sure there are many other ideas out there for such things in the study of human nature. This is a tpoic that gets overlooked far too often.

  20. Muscle Wire by crapnutassneck · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sounds related to "Muscle Wire" special wires used in a field of robotics called "BEAM" to cause movement without motors. Basically they are wires made of different metals fused together so that they react to electrical charge by contracting. Some really cool insect bots made from them can be found here: http://www.solarbotics.net/bestiary/2502_walker_2m ot_gal.html Muscle Wire: Muscle Wires are thin, highly processed strands of a nickel-titanium alloy called Nitinol - a type of Shape Memory Alloy that can assume radically different forms or "phases" at distinct temperatures. However, when conducting an electric current, the wire heats and changes to a much harder form that returns to the "unstretched" shape - the wire shortens in length with a usable amount of force.

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  21. Sounds like inferior cephalopod nerves to me by ianscot · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Your nervier (brainier) mullosks have amazing nerve fibers. They get used for experiments all the time because they're just huge, big enough to place electrodes in the axons and measure voltage changes.

    Guess flexible wiring is more pleasant to be strapped into than a squid or a cuttlefish, though I doubt it'd be as fast. Cephalopods have very fast nervous systems, they're lightning quick partly as a result.

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    1. Re:Sounds like inferior cephalopod nerves to me by SB9876 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, cephalopod nerves aren't that amazing. They're no faster that than the nerves in your body. It's just that cephalopods never developed myelinated nerves. Myselin insulates the nerve and allows for much faster signal propogation. The large size of cephalopod nerves is simply an alternate way to get higher transmission speeds.

      Either way, nerves only transmit at a few hundred miles an hour. Even assuming these flex wires aren't as conductive as a bulk gold wire, you're still looking at a transmission speed at a significant fraction of c.

      Silicon and metal wiring operates at speeds millions of times higher than biological nervous systems.

  22. I can see it now.... by warlockgs · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Boy, you've got some nerve!" "You like it? I just had it grafted in this morning"