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On Gay Characters In Videogames

Thanks to Armchair Arcade for its feature discussing the portrayal of gay characters in videogames past and present. The article starts by pointing out: "In Troika Games' computer role playing game The Temple of Elemental Evil (2003)... the player is asked to rescue, and given the option to marry, an openly gay character", and ends by arguing: "Gay avatars are an inevitable development in the evolution of the videogame that will take place with or without this article. If we already see such possibilities opening up in even mainstream titles like The Temple of Elemental Evil, I doubt it will be long before even the idea of a fantasy role-playing game featuring only one white male avatar will seem a strange, misguided aspect of our distant past."

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  1. Let's not forget... by metamatic · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...the fabulous portrayal of gay people in Grand Theft Auto.

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  2. Trans... by elasticwings · · Score: 4, Funny

    I for one believe there should be more crossdressing in video games. I still remember I think it was Space Quest 3 where you cross-dressed in the mall.

  3. Same-Sex marriage allowed in The Sims 2 by TheRedHorse · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The issue of gays in videogames will get a lot more mainstream soon, one example is that the website for "The Sims 2" says that members of the same gender will be able to marry each other.

    http://thesims2.ea.com/about_faq.php

  4. 700 hours of gameplay by AlternateSyndicate · · Score: 5, Funny
    In Troika Games' computer role playing game The Temple of Elemental Evil (2003)... the player is asked to rescue, and given the option to marry, an openly gay character.

    Do they have to wander around the United States until they find a city offering marriage licenses? That sounds like a pretty extensive side-quest.

  5. FPS more tolerant than the nation? by Tiamat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Given the option to marry?

    I never thought I'd see the day that first person shooters would be more tolerant of social differences the the general U.S. population.

    1. Re:FPS more tolerant than the nation? by Original+AIDS+Monkey · · Score: 4, Funny

      What are you talking about? My neighborhood still does not tolerate head shots even though I've been trying to convince law enforcement that it's been standard in FPS games for years!

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    2. Re:FPS more tolerant than the nation? by sfjoe · · Score: 4, Funny



      Will there be a constitutional amendment to ban gay videogames?

      Won't somebody please think of the children?

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    3. Re:FPS more tolerant than the nation? by moronga · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I never thought I'd see the day that first person shooters would be more tolerant of social differences the the general U.S. population.

      I don't know if you were making a joke here, but I'm not sure why you'd be surprised by this. Videogames are created and played by (generally) younger people, who are going to be more progressively minded than the general population.

      Also, videogames are often the place where people get to do things they'd normally wouldn't do in real life.

      And the game in question is an RPG, not an FPS. :)

  6. Birdo in SMB2 by HomerJ · · Score: 4, Funny

    Let's not forget the original gay character....from Nintendo no less...Birdo in Super Mario Bros 2. Yes, that pink thing that shot eggs and wore a bow...was a dude.

    1. Re:Birdo in SMB2 by NonSequor · · Score: 4, Funny

      I remember the book saying that he wore a bow because he wanted to be a woman. I think he's been retconned into a she now though. I can't believe I actually used the word retcon. I feel so dirty.

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  7. Gamers are Awful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Gamers are some of the most homophobic people out there. Using "gay" to mean "stupid" or "cheap" is clear homophobia, I don't care what kind of way people try to construe it.

    "That's so GAY!" is heard almost every round of Counterstrike. "God, why does that fag have to keep cheating?" If you're a real gamer, you know what I'm talking about.

    The worst part is that most of them think it's okay, because either a) They don't *really* mean Gay people, it's just a word, or b) they think gay people deserve it.

    Its really a problem that needs to go away. It makes online gaming less fun, and it makes otherwise intelligent people act like assholes.

    1. Re:Gamers are Awful by Tiamat · · Score: 4, Insightful
      These words have a negative meaning because, and only because of their connection to gay people, and that makes them homophobic.

      For all those people who believe that words like "nigger" and "fag" aren't related to their original meaning, I invite you to come to my neighborhood and start calling my neighbors "niggers". I wager you won't walk out intact.

    2. Re:Gamers are Awful by Pluvius · · Score: 4, Informative

      These words have a negative meaning because, and only because of their connection to gay people

      Do you realize that "faggot" used to refer to a bundle of sticks, or that "gay" used to be a synonym of "happy"?

      Language changes all the time. Just because something became an insult because of homophobia doesn't mean that it will always be an insult because of homophobia. Even now, a significant number of people use the word as an insult just because it's accepted as an insult; sexual orientation doesn't enter into it. After all, how does it make sense to call, for instance, Star Wars Galaxies gay in the homophobic sense when SWG doesn't even have a sexuality?

      For all those people who believe that words like "nigger" and "fag" aren't related to their original meaning, I invite you to come to my neighborhood and start calling my neighbors "niggers". I wager you won't walk out intact.

      Because, as we all know, emotion not only overrides logic, it disproves it.

      Rob

    3. Re:Gamers are Awful by Rallion · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'll go one step further -- I know gay people who do it. It really is just common slang now. Gay means either homosexual or stupid. It can mean both, but doesn't always.

      That said, I do try not to use it that way myself, but I'm exposed to it constantly, and ever so rarely it slips out.

  8. Where's the trolls by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 5, Funny

    For once, the GNAA would be slightly on-topic, and they are nowhere to be found. Trolls are so damn unreliable.

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  9. Neverwinter Nights by TheDarkRogue · · Score: 5, Funny

    It always pissed me off that my female avatar couldn't get any lesbian lovin at that whorehouse/tavern in act 1. I had her strip her armor and all, but neither of the women would go for her, told her to go talk to the guy. And the Token was non-refundable too if I remember correctly. So I just killed everyone in the building (except for that fat bitch, she wouldn't die, vital part of the story or some shit), but it wasn't as filling.

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  10. The Longest Journey by AvantLegion · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The Longest Journey, a wonderful point-and-click adventure from a few years ago, featured a main character who rents her room from a lesbian couple. The game treated this like a natural thing, not something to be pointed out and grandstanded (in fact, it took a couple references before I got suspicious, and a couple more before I fully caught on).

  11. Eagle by LGagnon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Eagle from Capcom vs SNK 2 (who was a character in the original Street Fighter) came out of the closet in that game as an openly gay character. Many of his winning quotes in the Japanese version of the game show this. The American version, however, had the quotes changed to not show his sexuality.

  12. Re:Too early to tell by 0x0d0a · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Considering gamers still use the words 'fag', 'gay' and 'homo' in order to insult each other online, it'll be a while until homosexual characters are implemented more into games.

    Yes, they should be using "lame" or "retard" or "bastard".

  13. Guilty Gear XX - Bridget by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 4, Funny

    The best traumatizing-to-fragile-heterosexual-identities videogame characters was GGXX's Bridget - a gender-confused boy who fights with a yo-yo and was raised as, dresses as and acts like a girl. A pretty hot girl. as cel-shaded Japanese fighters go.

    Bridget probably sent more than one fanboy to therapy.

  14. Morrowind by Hythlodaeus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    To me the best gay character in a game is great, because it was completely unintentional. The character is Crassius Curio in the game Morrowind. He was intended to be a very lecherous, but straight character. However, there was a bug that caused him to give the dialogue for female players regardless of the character's actual gender. The result: he comes across as absolutely, flamingly gay.

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  15. Why focus on a facet, not the whole? by wowbagger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why is it that people insist upon focusing upon a single facet of their being rather than the entirety?

    In the specific case of homosexuality, too many people focus upon the fact that they are gay to the exclusion of all else. Should the person be famous and be on a talkshow, that's the whole of their discussion - their homosexuality.

    Now, consider somebody like Elton John. Queer as a three dollar bill, and has made no bones about it for years. Yet, that is only a small part of the man - yes, if he is on a talk show and the subject comes up he may discuss (briefly) his S.O., but then he moves on. He treats his relationship like any polite person should - it is his private life, and he trys to keep it such. I don't want to hear about Elton's bedroom, but then again, I really don't want to hear about Ahnold's bedroom, either.

    Which brings me to the subject of "Gay characters in (games|movies|TV)" - in most such cases that is ALL the character is - gay. No other character development, just "Look at Fred. He's gay."

    How about having a character who is, among other things, gay? Buffy the Vampire Slayer did pretty well with Willow - the fact she was gay was only a small facet of her character.

    So why must the fact that some character in this video game is gay be the main facet of the game, or the character? Why not just have the fact come out (pun intended) during the normal course of the game, and make it just another part of the character?