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Asteroid to Make Closest Recorded Pass to Earth

unassimilatible writes "A 100-ft diameter asteroid will make the closest (26,500 miles, or about 3.4 Earth diameters) pass of earth ever detected in advance today, NASA reports. Asteroid 2004 FH's point of closest approach with the Earth will be over the South Atlantic Ocean. Using a good pair of binoculars, the object will be bright enough to be seen during this close approach from areas of Europe, Asia and most of the Southern Hemisphere. While we are in no danger this time, it is good to know NASA's LINEAR guys are on the job, for when that Death Star-sized object pays us a visit."

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  1. Lucky by Space+cowboy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    According to the article there are normally 2 of these every year. It seems a bit tongue-in-cheek to say "The important thing is not that it's happening, but that we detected it" [Chesley]. They were lucky, that's all.

    It *will* give them a chance to study the thing as it passes, since all the other ones were only detected after they'd gone (and presumably therefore couldn't be easily studied). If it's close enough to see with binoculars, it ought to be possible to resolve quite well in a good optical 'scope.

    The other point I guess is that it's only 100 ft across (why not 30m ?) so it would have burnt up on entry into the atmosphere, but still, good to know about these things. An asteroid that big would make quite some bang on entering the atmosphere, I reckon :-)

    Simon

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    1. Re:Lucky by Slowtreme · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Would this really burn up? Skylab was less than 50ft long and hollow inside. Many of it's parts made it to the ground. I'd image a solid rock hitting our atmosphere at that speed would not lose too much mass on the way in and do some pretty significat damage if it hit near a populated area.

      This one is flying pretty darn close for comfort.

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    2. Re:Lucky by tiled_rainbows · · Score: 4, Informative

      But Skylab wasn't going as fast - Celestial mechanics isn't my strong point, but something falling from a gradully-decaying orbit around the Eath (eg Skylab) won't be going half as fast relative to the Earth as something aproaching perihelion on a huge elliptic orbit round the sun (eg an asteroid) - things on elliptic orbits go faster the closer they get to the thing they're orbiting. Conservation of angular momentum or something.

      And as Skylab wasn't going as fast, it wasn't heated up so much in the atmosphere, so more bits of it reached the surface than most meteorites.

    3. Re:Lucky by GooberToo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Mod the parent back down. The AC which already replied and was marked as flambait is right. This guy is an idiot. The only exception where his statement might hold water would be if the object were solid water...and then, maybe. And then, it wouldn't be because of "pressure differences", it would be because of super heating, causing steam to form inside, causing it to explode.

    4. Re:Lucky by K1-V116 · · Score: 5, Informative

      The meteor that made Barringer Crater in Arizona (1.6k across and nearly 200m deep) was ~45m in diameter -- only about 50% wider and roughly twice the mass of the one detected. This rock _could_ have spoiled someone's day....

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    5. Re:Lucky by DigitumDei · · Score: 5, Informative
      Not quite pressure differences inside.
      Taken from the following NASA article.

      Asteroids move faster than the speed of sound in Earth's atmosphere. As a result, the air pressure ahead of a fireball can substantially exceed the air pressure behind it. The difference can be so great that it actually crushes the object
    6. Re:Lucky by mikerich · · Score: 4, Interesting
      you are an idiot, right? pressurce differences inside a solid mass?

      No he's not.

      It depends if it solid rock. many stony asteroids are apparently spongy having once contained volatiles that have subsequently been lost to space. These fragile objects will disintegrate in the atmosphere as atmospheric deceleration crushes them.

      Its for this reason that carbonaceous chondrite meteorites - the black ones with the exciting organic compounds are relatively rarer on Earth than their abundance in space would suggest. We're regularly encountering them, they just don't make it through to the surface.

      Having said that a 25m chunk of anything disintigrating in the atmosphere would produce a blast in the high kiloton, low megaton range. One of these smashing into a city would be a catastrophe.

      And they seem to be more common than we think - there is obviously Tunguska in 1908, but then there are reports of something exploding over the Amazon basin in the 1930s, the more than 100 small impacts that hit Sikhote-Alin in Russia in 1947 and the most recently uncovered biggish impact at Wabar in Saudi Arabia - a Hiroshima-sized explosion in either 1863 or 1891 (there is no agreement on the date, since Arabic scholars saw two bright meteors heading in that direction on different dates, it's only recently that scientists have been able to determine the relative youth of the Wabar craters).

      Best wishes,
      Mike.

    7. Re:Lucky by mikerich · · Score: 4, Insightful
      50% wider and roughly twice the mass of the one detected

      If both bodies were the same shape the larger would have eight times the volume.

      As for mass, Barringer was definitely iron which makes it comparitively rare - less than 6% of observed meteorite falls are iron, yet they make up over 80% of collected meteorites. The latter number is easy to explain - iron meteorites don't look anything like rocks found on Earth, the much more common stony meteorites (which form over 80% of all observed falls) are very hard to distinguish from the stuff on the ground.

      More than likely this is a stony body which would give it a much lower density - round about 3.6 gcm-3 as opposed to 7.9 gcm-3 in iron meteorites.

      Having said that - a lump of stone that size hitting the Earth would still be comparable to a hydrogen bomb going off - as you say it would have spoiled a whole lot of people's days.

      Best wishes,
      Mike.

    8. Re:Lucky by Catbeller · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The rock would be moving at something like Mach 30 - at any rate at miles per second. The atmosphere is around 60 miles deep. It would be a blink. For it to be faster than a blink, for you, you'd have to know it was coming, be focused on the spot in the sky, and follow it. 60 miles/7 mps (supposing)= 9 and a fraction seconds to boom. Then you'd wait for the supersonic shock wave. Depends on how close you are to the impact(s). If you don't know it was coming, you'd maybe see a short flash of light, followed by death in a second or at most a minute or two. As for my Armageddon reference, I belive I was dead on. If you were in Manhattan, ground zero, you'd have seen a brief flash followed by a supersonic shock wave in less than a couple of heartbeats. It'd be like nuclear detonations, only without the radiation. As Heinlein said in The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, just like a sparks from a hammer. Just a really BIG hammer.

      And shock waves aren't sound, so they can move quite quickly. The air itself would be moving at hypersonic speeds, mixed with vaporized solid matter from ground zero. Dust, really fast dust, and gravel.

  2. Yay! by MalaclypseTheYounger · · Score: 5, Funny

    Time to dust off the "Thumb" and see if I can get off this godforsaken mudball.

    Is the asteroid construction-equipment yellow, with lots of lumps?

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  3. It's the one you don't see or hear that gets you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you hear the thunder, that means the lighting didn't kill you.

    If you hear the gunshot, the bullet didn't kill you.

    If you smell the engine burning, the car wreck didn't kill you.

    If you are still reading, the asteroid missed.

  4. And if... by ForestGrump · · Score: 5, Interesting

    it was going to hit the earth and cause a massive extinction of the human race...
    I highly doubt we will be told about it. Instead, our world leaders will gather in a cave somewhere with their mistresses and 500 years worth of refried beans...that ought to keep the human race going.

    -Grump

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    1. Re:And if... by Hieronymus+Howard · · Score: 4, Funny

      Imagine what the cave would smell like after 500 years of refried bean consumption.

      Come to think of it, I can't think of a better fate for our 'leaders'.

    2. Re:And if... by pavon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why would our world leaders have anything to do with it? It is the scientists that know what is going on, and the people that they would tell, in this order would be 1) other astronomers, 2) their families 3) the politicians 4) the journalists. There would be enough people that knew about it before the politicians that it would be impossible to cover up even if they wanted to.

  5. Gravitational Effects? by fishdan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Any astronomers out there know if this will have a measurable gravitational affect on the planet? I know it's awfully small on a planetary scale -- but it's mass might be great. And, as I understand it, we're pretty good at detecting gravitational shifts. I know there won't be high tides or coastal flooding -- just if an object that small will have ANY noticable effect.

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    1. Re:Gravitational Effects? by cperciva · · Score: 4, Informative

      100' diameter ==> 15m radius ==> around 15000 m^3 ==> somewhere around 5x10^7 kg if it's rock.

      26500 miles is around 4000 times further away from the surface of the earth than the 35,000 feet at which planes fly.

      So the gravitational effect this rock will have at the surface of the earth is around the same as the effect from a 3kg bag inside a plane flying overhead. Probably not noticable. :)

  6. The big one... by turnstyle · · Score: 4, Funny
    "it is good to know NASA's LINEAR guys are on the job, for when that Death Star-sized object pays us a visit."

    So that we can all enjoy the peace-of-mind of knowing that we're all about to die, in advance. ;)

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    1. Re:The big one... by tuffy · · Score: 5, Insightful
      So that we can all enjoy the peace-of-mind of knowing that we're all about to die, in advance. ;)

      We're all going to die eventually. But throughout all of history, mankind has yearned for the day when we all get to die at the same time. It's not as scary as dying alone, or as scary as the thought the world will go on without us.

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    2. Re:The big one... by turnstyle · · Score: 4, Funny
      "We're all going to die eventually."

      Speak for yourself.

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    3. Re:The big one... by Jesus+2.0 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Won't work:

      Kent Brockman: With our utter annihilation imminent, our federal government has snapped into action. We go live now via satellite to the floor of the United States congress.

      Speaker: Then it is unanimous, we are going to approve the bill to deflect the aster...

      Congressman: Wait a minute, I want to tack on a rider to that bill: $30 million of taxpayer money to support the perverted arts.

      Speaker: All in favor of the amended asteroid-slash-pervert bill?

      (Congress): BOO!

      Speaker: Bill defeated.

      Kent Brockman: I've said it before and I'll say it again: democracy simply doesn't work.

    4. Re:The big one... by hpulley · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Well, if they give us 10-20 years' warning (which is not at all absurd, given that these rocks are not under power and thus utterly predictable) we can mount an expedition to deflect the thing, crush it to small pieces that shouldn't cause serious trouble, or just mine it out of existence.

      Hmm, except that this one was detected Monday. 3 days notice isn't enough to do anything. Larger ones should be detected earlier but how much earlier?

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    5. Re:The big one... by Wog · · Score: 4, Funny

      Seriously.

      I plan to live forever.

      *looks at watch*

      So far, so good!

  7. Hmm by Czernobog · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Either there's an ever increasing number of asteroids coming ever closer to Earth (unlikely methinks) or this is truly indicative of how blind we have been all thse years to what was happpening in space.
    Sort of puts our achievements into perspective...

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  8. Hey! by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Using a good pair of binoculars, the object will be bright enough to be seen during this close approach from areas of Europe, Asia and most of the Southern Hemisphere."

    Great. Now even the Universe hates America.

  9. Alien Rock by PRES_00 · · Score: 5, Funny

    The first one is not a miss, it's just used for calibration. The second will be create a 10 cm crater but its organic content will exterminate all life on this miserable rock.

  10. This is sserious by cda · · Score: 5, Informative

    Section of an IAU Statement prepared by Dr. David Morrison, 14 March 1998
    The International Astronomical Union's (http://www.intastun.org/) list of 108 known ''potentially hazardous objects,'' or PHOs.
    Most of the asteroids that could strike the Earth and cause a global catastrophe have not yet been found. For the year 2028 (or any other year) the chances of an unknown asteroid hitting the Earth are much greater than the chances of this particular asteroid hitting. If an unknown asteroid should hit us, we would likely have no warning at all. The first we would know of the danger is when we saw the flash of light and felt the ground shake. At the current rate of discovery, it will take more than a century to find 90% or more of the objects this large with Earth-crossing orbits. For better or for worse, the astronomers who carry out these searches and orbit calculations work in the public eye. The idea that a threatening asteroid could be kept secret (or that anyone would want to keep it secret) is ludicrous.
    For further information see the NASA asteroid and comet impact hazard website at:

  11. Damn it, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    will one hit us already, the suspense is killing me.

    I always wanted a seaview from my city apartment.

  12. Distributed computing? by bigattichouse · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is there a LINEAR@Home type thing? I would prefer to use my spare cpu cycles protecting life on earth. "meta-environmentalism" I guess.

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  13. The real threat of these small ones by bwallace · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Imagine if you will that this thing actually penetrated the atmosphere. Okay - so it wouldn't reach ground, but there would likely be a fairly significant blast (this one is only about 1/3 to 2/3 the diameter of the Tunguska object, and that one made a hellish blast).

    Imagine now that this penetrated the atmosphere over, say, North Korea, or the Sea of Japan, or somewhere over India/Pakistan. It is not much of a stretch to suggest that this might precipitate a limited nuclear exchange. Not a for-sure, but enough of a "could-be" that somebody's day could be ruined.

    This is why it is important to look for (small) potentially hazardous objects - not because they will (directly) cause the extinction of the human race, but because they could precipitate an all-too-human conflict, just out of ignorance.

    Note also that, as good a job as LINEAR and others do, there is a class of asteroids that are damn hard to see form the ground - the "Aten"-class asteroids, which orbit mostly inside earths orbit and thus come at us from out of the sun. These ones also need to be catalogued and a watchfull eye kept out for.

    So, when people start to ask the value of asteroid hunting, bring up these ideas. Sadly, nuclear war is a much more real threat to most people compared to mass extinction.

  14. Re:Huh? by aipotsid · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...NASA officials say they detected the asteroid after it hit a parked car in Queens....

  15. 100 ft may seem small, but .... by innerweb · · Score: 4, Informative

    From what I am reading in the articles on the net, 100 feet can still create some serious, albeit localized damage. If this bad boy were to hit over the ocean, probably not much, but over land, it could cause serious local destruction. Anyone out there serious about their astronomy?

    The Tunguska Blast over Siberia was an object about 100 meters in diameter. Sure it burned up in the atmosphere, but it was devastating to the ground anyway. This article also mentions that at about 50 meters, these rocks make it through the atmosphere and can do serious localized damage. So, since 100 feet converts to is 30.48 meters, this rock would more than likely to have an effect that we will notice on the ground.

    For further reading, here is a site that has already compiled links and information And, of course, the Yahoo listings on Earth Impact information online.

    InnerWeb

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  16. Solar system collisions simulator by copper · · Score: 5, Informative

    Plug in some numbers and find out :)

    copper

  17. Re:Huh? by Fishstick · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Really. Being hit by a planetkiller that causes extinction of humans on the earth doesn't worry me. Who will miss us?

    My biggest fear is that we will be hit by a not-quite planetkiller that will cause enough devastation to ensure the survivors live in misery for the rest of their (short) lives. That would suck.

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  18. A not-entirely offtopic story by Unknown+Kadath · · Score: 4, Funny

    I have an acquaintance. Call him...Jack. (Name changed to protect the obsessed.) Jack has picked two goddamn things about which we can do absolutely nothing to freak him out: near-Earth asteroids and megavolcanoes. He was my friend's boss for a while, and we ended up at a lot of the same parties and restaurants and such. He would always corner me, because I was usually the only aerospace engineer there, and talk for hours about how life as we know it was shortly going to be wiped out by a really big rock, and how this was the greatest threat ever to face humanity.

    After this happened a couple of times, I told him that I was comfortable playing the odds that an extinction-level event would hold off for the couple of centuries it would take us to actually be able to deal with it, given the scale of geologic time time to human achievement. He nearly spit his beer across the room.

    In conclusion: Space is really big, really empty, and some people just need things to worry about.

    -Carolyn

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  19. I'd hate to be a by Gr8Apes · · Score: 4, Interesting

    geo-synchronous satellite. 26km is just about their orbit. Shouldn't we try to protect them?!?

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  20. Re:Huh? by hankwang · · Score: 4, Funny
    The Death Star was bigger than 100 ft dia!

    The death star in Star Wars was able to shatter a planet to pieces. One can calculate that the energy needed to overcome the gravitational pull is about G*rho^2*r^5, where G=the gravitational constant, rho the planet's density, and r its radius. For an earth-sized planet, that amounts to 1e30 J, or 6e13 kg of matter to be converted into energy. If the Death Star were completely consisting of concentrated antimatter, then it would have been 3 km in diameter and be able to fire exactly one shot. Yes, that is more than 100 ft. :)

  21. Re:wonderful... by bellings · · Score: 4, Funny

    Intelligent life evolved from chimp-like creatures once. It could happen a second time.

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  22. We came pretty close. by icejai · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It takes the earth about 6 minutes to travel a distance equivalent of its own diameter.
    So basically, to avoid a direct hit, the the timing of of a near-earth-asteroid only needs to be altered by 6 minutes over the course of its orbit(s).

    What I can't get over is that we *missed* this asteroid by only 12 to 18 minutes!

    That's just crazy.