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Six Months Old, Eight New Organs

AEton writes "According to the BBC, Dr. Andreas Tzakis has just successfully replaced six-month-old Alessia Di Matteo's liver, stomach, pancreas, small and large intestine, spleen, left kidney, and right kidney in a record-setting operation. The child is so far doing fine with a one-year-old baby's organs. Tzakis is no stranger to multiple-organ transplants; in 1997 he set the previous record of seven organs by replacing seven of a two-and-a-half-year-old's organs. It must be a little odd to know that a growing plurality of your tissue used to be someone else's."

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  1. Antirejection drugs by baryon351 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Do kids who get transplants this young need to be on anti rejection drugs for the rest of their lives? I know they're exceptional at healing & recovering from major surgery at extreme young ages, but don't know if there's an extra ability to 'adapt' to foreign tissue.

    1. Re:Antirejection drugs by frazzydee · · Score: 4, Informative

      I believe that they do have to take antirejection drugs- regardless of their age. this site says (on the 7th page) "Again, as with the tiny premature babies and the dialysis patients, that up-front cost gives us an expanded capability to keep people with failed hearts alive a lot longer so they can receive even more care. Transplant patients can live for a very long time. The post-transplant follow-up care?including ongoing antirejection drugs . . ." So there you go. In addition, this site also claims that "Babies who now receive an incompatible blood-type heart still must take immunosuppressant drugs to ensure their bodies don't reject the donor heart. All transplant recipients, regardless of their age, blood type or the organ they receive, must do so."

    2. Re:Antirejection drugs by Necromancyr · · Score: 5, Informative
      This is actually wrong. Unless you replace ALL of the immune system in a person, their immune cells will recognize and attack a foreign body - it's recognized as non-self. Anything non-self is attacked.

      What your stating is based on a flawed (but common) misconception that the immune system 'learns what is dangerous' or attacks what is dangerous, which hasn't been shown by any real facts/supporting research.

      In addition, a childs immune system is only 'immature' based upon the fact that it hasn't been exposed to as many antigens as an adult - which allow for a rapid secondary response when re-exposed to those antigens. An example is chicken pox - once you get it, your exposed to the antigens and your body can rapidly respond if exposed to it again so you only get the chicken pox once (most of the time.

      Lastly, for the first few months alive, babies also have passive immunity that is gained from their mother. So, this would add an entire other level of complexity if the 'maternal' antibodies were to attack the new organs as well - though I have no idea if they would still be present at 6 months after birth. (As a side note, it also sometimes occurs that a mother's immune system will reject the baby and have to be treated with certain drugs to reduce/stop the killing of the fetus via the mothers immune reaction).

      So, IMHO, yes, the child has to take the drugs for their entire life.

      One last comment - very old people need more drugs because their bodies are failing because they are...OLD. Organs and cells do not have infinite lifespans. They simply can't deal with being sick at all - whereas a younger person can deal with the flu. Given the same level of immune response, the frail old person would die while a young healthy person would live.

  2. Ship of Theseus by arvindn · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Reminds me of the Ship of Theseus : When every component of the ship has been replaced at least once, is it still the same ship?

    The same question could be asked about this baby :)

    Of course we can't yet do brain transplants, so I guess one can say its the same person as long as its the same brain.

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  3. However... by Slapdash+X.+Hashbang · · Score: 4, Funny

    The one-year-old baby is not doing so well.

  4. Hmm, this is a tough one by mu-sly · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I know this will sound harsh, but if your child is born with so many problems that they would die without eight organ replacements, one has to wonder what their long-term chances of survival realistically are.

    I know we can work wonders with organ transplants these days, but how much is too much? What are this child's chances of having a reasonable quality of life after being born with so many potentially fatal problems?

    It's sad to see your loved ones die, but I can't help wondering if the parents did the right thing under these circumstances.

    No doubt my feelings on this would be much stronger if it was my own child in question, but it would seem we as a species very often let our emotions get in the way of rational thought, and I'm just not sure these parents made the right decision for their child.

    This is most definitely a difficult issue - I could well be wrong, but I'm throwing my initial thoughts into the pot to see what others think.

    1. Re:Hmm, this is a tough one by pholower · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I can understand the thought you are having. I am having a similar one right now. But we as humans can not simply look at the world and "cut our losses" Sure, she may have it rough, if she lives past a year old.

      But this is a person, a child, and you should let your emotions get in the way. Saving her life was not vain. But it does two things. And it does these two things well.

      1) It gives this girl a second chance at life. There is a posibility that she will be fine, and live a normal life.
      2) It gives surgeons, and scientist a base on which to look from. We can see how far we can go in order to become more acurate in treating this types of conditions. If we didn't who knows where we would be today. I mean hell, open heart surgery 50 years ago was considered barbaric, now it is an everyday procedure, and usually quite succesful.

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    2. Re:Hmm, this is a tough one by DavittJPotter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I agree with you about if it's the "right" thing to do. Now, if this baby grows up, gets married, and reproduces, it's passing on the same flawed genetic material that it inherited n years ago.

      I fear that because we can fix things, we're weakening our species as a whole. Survival of the fittest means that the weak die so they can't reproduce.

      These new miracle cures, drugs for fixing all the ills of the body, etc. are wonderful money makers and boons to the afflicted, but nobody seems to be thinking long term on this issue.

      All the parents will scream "but what if it was *your* baby?!?" That's exactly why I don't have children. I know my genetic code has some flaws in it. I will do what I can to make it through this life, and then die. The 'weird' and otherwise imperfect DNA will die with me instead of being perpetuated.

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    3. Re:Hmm, this is a tough one by mu-sly · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No. It isn't. If we as a society can not protect and do what is right for the weakest amongst us, then are we truely a civilized society?

      It's all very well to come out with quotes like that, but the fact is that if this child had been born in a less affluent part of the world, she would have died, no question about it.

      Worldwide we should be doing a lot more to help people less fortunate than ourselves. The money spent on saving the life of one baby who may just die in a few years anyway could have been used to help a much greater number of people.

      I'm not saying that the two are mutually exclusive (they aren't) but eight other babies could have been saved with the same number of organs, or with the same amount of money a starving village could have been fed for a month.

      Is it fair that if you're born with a whole load of problems but your parents have the money, we can fix you up, whereas if you're born with nothing wrong with you but your parents can't even afford to feed you, you should die?

      We should protect and do what is right for the weakest among us, but defying the laws of evolution is pretty far outside of that.

    4. Re:Hmm, this is a tough one by tehanu · · Score: 4, Interesting

      To add to your comment, there are current debates going on, at least in Australia, and I imagine in other Western nations on whether it is feasible to try to give the best medical treatment possible to everyone. Of course they are only talking about government funds here, not private treatment.

      The points being raised is there is only X amount of dollars available in the government for health. Yet with the ever increasing sophistication of medical treatment, the cost of treatments is going up. People who before would have died rather rapidly are now hanging on with new treatments. Ailments that were not life threatening but affected quality of life are now curable or much more treatable. And of course everyone wants the best treatments available. Also people are living longer and of course elderly people require more treatments. Add to this the ever increasing imbalance between the elderly and working tax paying members of society and some people think that we could be heading to a budgetary catastrophe in the future.

      This raises the question of whether every medical treatment should be available to everyone. Whether or not we should ration our public health dollars to give the best return ie. bumping up the queue those who have the best chance of survival, who require the least money to treat, treat working age citizens and reasonably healthy children before the elderly and those who are very sick etc.

      This of course is a controversial topic. The idea of having a committee choose who will live or who will die or telling someone that they can't get treatment because they are too old and no longer working and therefore no longer useful to society or I guess in this case, telling parents their kid will die because those 7 organs could be used to treat and cure 7 kids rather than just one, is very emotive and raises a lot of uneasy feelings and questions about the criteria to be used not to mention the uncomfortable closeness to eugenics and euthanasia. However it might be possible that in the future, if the public health $$ starts running out, we may be forced into this type of system.

    5. Re:Hmm, this is a tough one by yet+another+coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I know one thing that does not happen to Darwin's theory. It does not get learned very well.

      There is no all powerful nature to reverse. There is just what happens. Through evolution, some individuals have more offspring; others fewer. Some species grow; others diminish or disappear. Consequently, the characteristics of populations change through time.

      Evolution is not a moral law; it is a fact of life. Best and worst are defined by what actually happens, not by ideas of diversity or quality. Fit is defined by living long and reproducing fruitfully. If intelligence allows someone to accomplish those two tasks, then fitness depends on intelligence. If people survive and reproduce without much regard to how intelligent they are, it does not matter. If less intelligent people have more offspring, which is a completely reasonble proposition based on empirical data instead of egocentrism, then intelligence is not a positive survival trait.

      I have neglected social impacts of traits when I strictly should not have. Traits that do not allow someone to live long or reproduce themselves might somehow allow others around them to do so. If their genes get passed along through parallel lineages, those genes might be beneficial for survival.

    6. Re:Hmm, this is a tough one by BioChemDork · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I used to think the same way too... 'till we ran to this case while doing rounds during my edical ethics class: A teenage girl was dying from heart failure (we were not told what this was caused by, since the this was an undergraduate ethics class) and required a heart transplant. Her cardiologist requested one from UNOS (United Network for Organ Sharing), and got one. The operation went reasonably well, but as I understand it, multiple clots eventually developed in her bloodstream post-surgery. Some lodged in her brain, causing multiple strokes of varying severity, rendering her comatose. Others lodged in varying organs, including her newly transplanted heart, causing it to slowly fail. Since her cardiologist was an attending physician at a large medical school, he had quite a lot of connections. He pulled some strings, and got the girl back on the heart transplant list. Second heart was found and flown in. (Second verse, same as the first, a little bit louder, a little bit worse...) After a few days... turns out it's incompatable. The girl starts rejecting the second heart, and it slowly begins to fail. Dr. Promenent Attending Physician with Connections pulls more strings (he's got a lot invested in this girl), and she's back up on the heart transplant list. Our professor, who was the pediatric neurologist called, assessed that the girl had no significant chance of recovering due to multiple strokes. And yet there she was, high up on the transplant list for her third heart! Morals of the story: 1) connections matter; if you're gonna get a transplant, go to a major teaching facility and get the attending physician to do it. 2) resource allocation of something as precious as a heart isn't as cut and dry as, say, deciding who gets a scholarship to college. You give away multiple grants to somebody, and everybody else who applied will scrape by and find another way to fund their education; you give away multiple organs to one person, and there's a good chance that many, many people will die waiting. Your argument presents a false dichotomy of either save the kid, or don't save the kid. (Who in their right minds would, without any other piece of information, say "don't save the kid"?) In reality, the case is this: Save the kid, or save a kid who needs a stomach, a kid who needs a liver, two kids who need kidneys, etc... Until the day that we are able to grow organs, scarcity will be an issue. And regardless of how "feel good" it is to perform heroic measures to save somebody, it is ethically remiss to give multiple transplants to the same person, whether it be in the form of three consecutive hearts, or a half dozen organs. Chosing one organ recipient over another because of their health, importance to society, etc., is an ethical gray area. But how anybody can claim that it's better to save a kid by giving her multiple organs, over saving eight separate kids each of whom needs one organ transplant, is beyond me.

  5. It reminds me of a joke... by JamesP · · Score: 4, Funny

    Doctor: I'm sorry to say, but your baby was born with no arms...

    Mother: Oh, doctor, I don't care, I'll still love him...

    D: I'm afraid he doesn't have any legs either...

    M: Never mind, he's still my son...

    D: He doesn't have a trunk...

    M: Ah...

    D: And no head, either...

    M: But, what does he has...

    D: An ear...

    (doctor brings the ear)

    M: OH MY SON, MY BEAUTIFUL SON...

    D: It's no use screaming, cause he's deaf...

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  6. "your tissue used to be someone else's" by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Interesting


    > It must be a little odd to know that a growing plurality of your tissue used to be someone else's.

    In rare cases, the cells of non-identical twins in the very early stages of development can merge into a single embryo, and develop into a normal "patchwork" adult, called a chimera.

    IIRC this phenomenon was only discovered recently, when modern DNA testing revealed that these people have different DNA in different parts of their body.

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  7. Mutli Organ stuff by Re-Bigulator · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm a med student working on the multi-organ transplant service in Toronto. I wonder what the real goal of these kinds of commmando surgeries are. The more organs transplanted, the greater are the hemodynamic derangements, the more compensation that has to be made for natural fluid balances and what not. The more organs, the more likely it is for her immune system to react and reject the foreign organs. I wonder what their plan is for the child's immune system. A 6 month old immune system is fairly weak, and in a normal infant it would gradually develop and become capable of defending the infant from your regular run of the mill pathogens. I'm not sure what would happen in this case; Alessia will certainly need lifelong suppression of her immune system with drugs like Tacrolimus (or steroids for bouts of acute rejection) which have their own side effects. The flip side is that a weak immune system predisposes you to develop systemic infections, sepsis and other nasty things. I know that in infants with HIV and other immunocompromising illnesses, they still get most of their vaccinations (except the live vaccines), so she may still be protected against those. It comes down to a dilemma not unknown to those who work in Neonatal Intensive Care Units. How far should we go to save these unfortunate children? I've seen in my time the so-called "Sick Kids Specials", children at our Hospital for Sick Children who were born incredibly premature (24 weeks versus 36-40 weeks for normal gestation) and sustained in increasingly advancing NICU's. These children rarely turn out normal, and in some cases, have up to 12 different major medical problems (kidney failure, cerebral palsy) etc. etc. What kind of future is in store for Alessia? I don't think a particularly long one; she will most certainly require re-transplantation of many of her organs (things like kidneys can last 10 years or so, small bowel transplants are so rare that I don't think there's that many studies of them). When you consider the cost, the mental anguish to both parents and to this increasingly developing child, and the cost to the public health system, I wonder if the right decision was made.

    1. Re:Mutli Organ stuff by Doctor+Beavis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You raise some good points. However, the same arguments could have been made years ago about any transplants, or severe burn victims, or any of a number of problems that were once considered incurable or prohibitively expensive and time-consuming to treat. It is primarily through such pioneering work that that advances can be made routine, safe, and affordable.

  8. I feel I will be flamed as a heartless bastard.... by Y-Crate · · Score: 4, Insightful

    however as much as I wish to see this girl survive and live a healthy, happy life you have to wonder if those organs might have been better used saving multiple children with one major organ failing instead of someone who seems to have a body that seems to be almost completely non-functional. Think about what this girl's long term prospects are - considering her body's frail state. Hardly anything inside of her works. Will she live a year and die, taking the truckload of transplanted organs with her, while others with one or two problematic organs and much better chances to survive long-term post-transplant are forced to wait and quite possibly die?

  9. Humans contribute more than genes by lildogie · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have hemophilia, and I am not reproducing. Still, people around me seem to feel that I'm contributing substantially through my career and in my community.

    When I was young, I'm sure everyone thought I'd die young from such a terrible disease. Now I have a normal lifespan and a relatively normal lifespan.

    I have to say that issues around what the "right" thing to do are very complex, and distorted by health care financing, organ shortages, religious values, etc.

    I recognize that I survive based on the generosity and altruism of blood donors. On the other hand, the medicine that makes my blood clot normally comes from paid plasma donors, some of whom donate in spite of having HIV, and the manufacturer accepting these donations accepts this.

    You also have to consider that the picture is always different when looked at from an individual standpoint, in contrast to looking at it from public policy. It's been said that the cure for hemophilia is to let the bleeders die before they breed more bleeders. I have to say that this logic would have been an injustice to me, since I'm not reproducing (yes, I'm sure about that).

  10. Misconceptions by ssummer · · Score: 5, Informative

    1. The number of organs transplanted is NOT an indication of the pre-op condition/prognosis of the baby or an indicator of post-op "quality of life".

    Her disorder is a single disease process that happens to affect most of her vital organs. All other things being equal, a baby born with several disorders, requiring fewer organs transplanted (even as little as 1 or 2), actually could be considered "sicker", have a much lesser chance of survival and be a greater "burden on society".

    2. Of the eight organs transplanted, some might not have actually been "diseased" (more on this later).

    3. The greater the number of organs transplanted is not proportional to the surgical difficulty.

    Not to take away from Dr. Tzakis' great achievement, but technically the surgery might have been easier than transplanting a few non-contiguous organs. Here is why:
    If you ask any transplant surgeon, the most difficult aspect of the surgery is doing the anastamoses (or "rejoinings"). Essentially taking the entire foregut and midgut en bloc significantly decreases the number of "rejoinings" one has to perform.

    Tzakis likely only had to join this single unit of organs (the liver+stomach+pancreas+spleen+small bowel+large bowel) at two points (those being #1 the original esophagus-to-new stomach and #2 the new large bowel-to-original rectum) for complete continuity of the gastrointestinal tract and then probably about another 4 anastamoses for blood supply.

    The entire blood supply for all the aforementioned organs (minus the kidneys) originate from only 2-3 arteries arising from the aorta. To leave the original pancreas and spleen (which are not significantly affected by her disorder) would have been several times more difficult than taking the "whole package" because the vascular supply for each organ would have to be dissected and reanastomed individually. This is more difficult because it's more vessels to join and the vessels are smaller i.e. more difficult to work with.

    Transplanting even only 3 of these organs in non-continuity would have required 1-2 GI tract and 2+ vascular anastamoses for EACH organ. If you do the math you can quickly realize why it was probably easier to take all the organs, even if some were not diseased.

    4. Transplanting both kidneys is NOT the transplant surgery standard of care. The baby would have done fine with one kidney and there has yet to be any studies proving that transplanting two kidneys vs. one improves a patient's post-op outcome. But if Tzakis did not take both kidneys he would be stuck at 7 and we wouldn't be talking about this whole topic right now (take it however you want).

    So to make a long story short:
    1. The baby was not as sick or doomed as one might think.
    2. It's a great accomplishment but it wasn't "pushing the envelope".
    3. The ethical issues raised are no different than those for any other medical procedure or treatment: should society help the inherently weak at the expense of the strong or should we fall into the Darwinian model of society were it's survival of the fittest? Or is there a middle-ground as to how much help we give the weak and who/what determines how much and what is too much help to give?

  11. Value of human life? by Zathras26 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm seeing some people here saying that this baby should have merely been allowed to die, and the parents encouraged to just "have another one". Obviously I can't say for sure, but I'd hazard a guess that most of these people aren't parents. If they were, they'd realize that most parents become deeply emotionally attached to their children very quickly, usually at an early stage in pregnancy, in fact, so it's not as though a six-month-old girl can simply be scrapped and replaced as though she were a defective car.

    Here's a more pertinent point: once you start saying that some people are too "physically defective" to live, where would you draw the line? I, for example, am among the most physically health people around -- my mother always said I was "disgustingly healthy". Even so, had I lived in Nazi Germany, I would have been exterminated due to my "physical imperfections" (and no, I'm not Jewish).

    Then, on a more personal level, there's my wonderful girlfriend, who's beautiful, incredibly intelligent (IQ in the mid 170s), who graduated from Berkeley with honors, and who spends her time rescuing homeless cats and advocating for social services for autistics (not to mention the ways she's brought joy into my life, in more ways than I can count). She was also born with severe birth defects that required eight or nine major operations over a number of years at a total cost of several million dollars. Was it worth it? I don't even have to wonder about that.

    The simple fact of the matter is, you can't tell which human lives are going to be valuable and which ones aren't when the baby is so young. As to the argument of "quantity" -- that you could have saved more babies with those eight organs -- well, let's use your own calculus. Why is it so important to save the maximum number of lives possible, especially considering, as you point out, that making babies isn't exactly a huge challenge? It's not as though human beings are in short supply these days -- far from it. And it's also not as though most people even want babies, considering (for example) that one-third of all pregnancies in the United States end in abortion.

    I realize this post is a bit meandering, but you'll have to excuse my lack of coherence. There are people responding to this article who are essentially saying that my girlfriend (a slashdotter whom I love with all my heart and plan to marry someday) should be dead because she's "too defective" and repairing those defects wasn't worth the cost or effort. It's hard to write clearly when your emotional response to such comments is interfering so much.