IPv6 Rollout Japan, China in 2005

← Back to Stories (view on slashdot.org)

IPv6 Rollout Japan, China in 2005

Posted by Hemos on Saturday March 20, 2004 @05:38AM from the what's-the-real-roll-out dept.

Killjoy_NL writes "The digitimes have a piece that is reporting that IPv6 will be rolled out in China and Japan in 2005. Makes me wonder when the rest of the world will follow suit" We had a good piece a couple months back about the state of IPv6. CowboyNeal is ready!

14 of 191 comments (clear)

Min score:

Reason:

Sort:

finally! by Quasar1999 · 2004-03-20 05:41 · Score: 1, Insightful

I've been waiting for IPv6 for years... I was still in HighSchool when they supposedly started the switch over... Man I feel old...

--

---
Programming is like sex... Make one mistake and support it the rest of your life.
1. Re:finally! by Saven+Marek · 2004-03-20 06:00 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  And at the rate the rollout is being dragged along your kids will be in highschool before anyone next hears of it. The entire world is able to change over to IPV6 within a short timespan as long as there's a concerted effort to do so. Humans don't ever expend effort, as a group, unless they're pushed to. Hopefully with a nation the size of China working towards it, it'll drag us and the rest of the world with them much quicker.
  
  Then again we're still using Imperial measurements when the rest of the world is metric. Go figure that one
  
  Adult Mac Desktops & Wallpapers
Other Countries slow to follow by pholower · 2004-03-20 05:42 · Score: 5, Insightful

Japan also rolled out 3G wireless before everyone else. Have we incorporated as much as Japan? No. Japan has always been ahead of the curve for this type of stuff. But only because they don't have all of the infrastructure flaws other countries do. Besides, how weird would it be to type ::1 instead of 127.0.0.1?

--
-- johntracy.com, because everybody else is wrong.
1. Re:Other Countries slow to follow by Vancorps · 2004-03-20 07:09 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  This is a point a lot of people forget about. Japan is a little collection of Islands and so rolling out new wireless technology is relatively cheap for them.
  However, China is also getting in on the game, they have a state run monopoly though so they can set policy, might add that they also have no existing infrastructure in very large portions of their country which they will soon change but that means no upgrade, just pure new equipment.
  The United States does have a flaw in their system but its debatable whether or not to call it a flaw. They have to make the largest number of people happy. End users probably couldn't care less about IPv4 or v6. Businesses small and large probably do and will fight to keep things working. Of course, many of these people don't realize their routers and switches all support IPv6 already because it has been around a long time.
  Basically the only reason people upgrade in the U.S. at this point is because a natural disaster or some other event occurs that destroys the infrastructure, getting a telco to upgrade is like getting a child to spinach after the proclaimed they wanted chocolate.
2. Re:Other Countries slow to follow by DragoonAK · 2004-03-20 07:23 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  Actually, Japan wants IPv6 because they have a lot less IPs per citizen than the US does. I can't be bothered to look up the actual numbers right now, but I remember figures on the order of 100 IPs/US Citizen and 7 IPs/Japanese Citizen. China's most likely in the same boat.
  
  P.S. If there was a US city with 30 million people, they'd have 3G damn fast. Wireless and high population density go together well.
Less mature infrastructure ? by ThomasFlip · 2004-03-20 05:44 · Score: 4, Insightful

Wouldn't it be true that these countries would have an easier time implementing IPV6 ? Their countrie's internet infrastructre can't be nearly as mature as the United States, therefore I'm sure it would be a lot cheaper/less complicated to implement the protocol. The United States would also have to contend with the the private sectors wants/needs which rely on this infrastructure heavily. I dont think that would be as prevalent in these Asian countries.

--
If the dollar is an "I owe you nothing", then the Euro is a "Who owes you nothing." - Doug Casey
Re:IPv6: Not Ready For Prime Time by Anonymous Coward · 2004-03-20 05:58 · Score: 5, Insightful

Hopefully you don't plan on your "disseration" being respected.

1. That is not a problem with the protocol. It is a problem with the hardware, which Cisco CAN fix in future revs.

2. VOIP. If every person on earth gets a VOIP cell phone in the future, you have now run out of addresses. And that doesn't even take into account non-consumer addresses, such as slashdot.org. NAT won't solve the problem, as VOIP isn't directly compatable with it. Are you now going to require that all these NAT gateways now be transparent proxies for protocols which are rather complex? Also, how would the transparent proxy handle encryption?

3. Routing tables don't list every network. Yes, there are 64 bits for networks/routing. These won't all be used immediately. They are there for the future. Given that in the past 20 years, the the amount of RAM you can get for a given price point has gone up by ~2000 times, by the time we need routing tables that have entries for all possibly networks the RAM will be cheap enough (and fast enough) to handle it.

4. Bandwidth is increasing When IPv4 was created, the expected speed of a connection for a HIGH END user (university) was ~64kb/sec. That is no longer true, as the same class of user would now be expected to have at least an OC12.

It sounds like you are trying to build a new highway that will last for 20 years, but you want to only plan on the current capacity requirements, not what will be needed in 20 (or even 10) years.
Like the Metric System by alue · 2004-03-20 06:05 · Score: 4, Insightful

The US will adopt IPv6 as quickly as it's adopted the metric system.
1. Re:Like the Metric System by WolfWithoutAClause · 2004-03-20 06:25 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  I don't think so. IPv6 has a reasonable degree of backward compatibility, unlike metric, and I suspect that soon you will be able to get IPv4 NAT gateways that give you IPv6 behind them- in otherwords you can tunnel your IPv6 home network out onto the big (IPv6) wide world across IPv4. Heck you can probably do that already, you just need more equipment and it's less convenient.
  
  --
  -WolfWithoutAClause
  "Gravity is only a theory, not a fact!"
Re:IPv6: Not Ready For Prime Time by Eric_Cartman_South_P · 2004-03-20 06:08 · Score: 3, Insightful

There are 16.7 million addresses per square metre of the earth's surface, including the oceans. This is overkill.
No it is not. Please do not think the future is easy to predict. Maybe I just have a pet peeve when people say "We will never need...".
Fast forward to nano-technology. You get cancer. :( You get an injection with millions of nano-bots that kill each cancer cell in your body, and you get better :) BUT! These little nano-bots all need to communicate. Well, there goes a couple million IP's for the square meter of space you are taking up.
You need to ask for it by chrismcc@netus.com · 2004-03-20 06:42 · Score: 2, Insightful

Hello...

I have asked several transit providers here in the USA about providing IPv6. The answer, "Nobody is asking for it".

The Tier 1 and Tier 2 ISPs will not provide IPv6 until there is a market for it.

The solution? Ask for native IPv6 (not tunnels) from your ISP. If you switch ISPs ask for IPv6 in the RFP.

--
Christopher McCrory "The guy that keeps the servers running" chrismcc@gmail.com http://www.pricegrabber.com
Comment removed by account_deleted · 2004-03-20 06:49 · Score: 2, Insightful

Comment removed based on user account deletion
Re:China? by fyonn · 2004-03-20 07:00 · Score: 5, Insightful

340282366920938463463374607431768211456 is an awfully big number. Its over a quadrillion times the number of square millimeters on the surface of this planet!

it is a big number, but remember that ipv6 address space is very sparse in the 128bit address sense. as each customer is likely to receive a /48 network that makes the first 48 bits very dense in usage, but after that, it'll be almost empty.

in reality the address space that can be assigned is a /48. the 96 bits after that are for the customer to use themselevs. /16 for their own subnets and 64 bits for host portion of the ip address. so thats 281474976710656 assignments. still alot mind you but ipv6 isn't effectively as big as most people claim.

dave
I'm confused .. by stevey · 2004-03-20 07:13 · Score: 3, Insightful

I admit ignorance, but I know that one of the reasons for converting to IPv6 is the shortage of IP addresses.

Every now and again we hear that we're just about to run out due to historically crazy giveaways of addresses, then we hear that this isn't the case.

Anyway, if an entire nation, or large group of people move over to IPv6 does this mean that the IPv4 addressed they previously held would become free, and available back in the pool for allocation?

So to gain lots of addresses all we need is say China to move to IPv6, or a country like Germany?

I maybe be misunderstanding, but I thought that this is how the IPv6 tunnels worked - all IPv6 stuff on a LAN gets tunnelled via one external x.x.x.x IP address.

With Chinas great firewall surely this means they could have a few external IPv4 addresses that are proxying things over to the internal IPv6 country?

Feel free to hit me with a cluestick if I'm confused...