IPv6 Rollout Japan, China in 2005

Killjoy_NL writes "The digitimes have a piece that is reporting that IPv6 will be rolled out in China and Japan in 2005. Makes me wonder when the rest of the world will follow suit" We had a good piece a couple months back about the state of IPv6. CowboyNeal is ready!

Comments

Won't this

[robslimo]

throw a wrench in the spoke of the DoD's plan for a new, newer IP?

Seriously, I think it'll be good. Might throw some weight against the stone wall that's holding back the US and rollout of IPv6 in general. I'd imagine that with such largescale rollouts the hardware will get cheaper and will help drive adoption worldwide.

Re:Won't this

[Loualbano2]

I thought this was discussed until everyone was blue in the face. Go back and read the article, the only person saying this protocol is for the Internet is the author. This doesn't make it fact. Authors of articles get things all mixed up all the time. If you read all of the quotes from Dr. Injong Rhee, he never said it was for the Internet.

People come out with new versions of IP occasionally. This doesn't mean that they are necessarily:

1. For the Internet
2. Ever going to be used

IPv6 is a standard recognized by everyone. The stuff mentioned in the DOD article was done by a guy in the government, for whatever reason. Please don't be so goddamn facetious and/or ignorant.

Re:China?

[myownkidney]

Yeah considering a lot of people who use disposable IP addresses for spamming come from that area...

Re:IPv6: Not Ready For Prime Time

[pholower]

Yes, but 10 years ago, we didn't know all of the devices that are online now with their own IP address were going to be online. Who's to know what is going to be online in 10, 20, or even 30 years. IPv4 has done great so far, but with the security flaws that weren't seen when v4 was created being exploited, we have to implement something that will handle more IP address with better security.

Besides, with broadband access up in most countries, think of what the broadband will be in 10 years New broadband? who cares about 20 extra bytes?

I remember when...

[su2ge]

Ahh, how I remember laughing extremely hard when I heard news that Cisco was recalling their releases of their new IOS that supported IPv6 when they discovered that they left off a whole octet of numbers. That was awhile ago though. Chalk that one up as a blunder. In a way, I do agree with most in saying that IPv6 is way too big for right now. However, in looking ahead at all of the new devices we are getting that have network connections and require IP Addresses.... IPv6 pretty much gives you an excuse to have an IP address for your toaster. Then again, unless you can break the theoretical 65k barrier of PAT by having over 65k things in your house that require an IP addy, there's really no need to go as far as IPv6 here in the US. NAT/PAT with IPv4 seems to be doing the job quite nicely here.

Less Addresses for US

[ClimbNorth]

So I'll assume they are beating the US so they can grab up all the addresses. US right now holds what - 80% of all IP's worldwide? After this, 0.5% of all IP's!

Re:China?

[pediddle]

I'm sure it would be possible to configure a /48 split over multiple sites, on the ISP level, but I can't imagine why you'd want to. There are still more /48s available to the world than the entire IPv4 address space.

From the ground in East-China.

[glenalec]

A number of points:

1) Lots of pirated and unpatched MS Windows installs.

2) Most sysadmins are in their jobs because of who they know, not what they know (and they know nil - I taught English to a class of comp-sci under-grads last year. These comp-sci majors' total computer knowledge was punching in Java from a text book and that 'Bill Gates is very rich' - which is the only interest most of them have in computers: to get rich like Bill Gates. Set an assignment like 'hit Google and find out who Steve Jobs, Larry Ellison, Linus Torvolds, Richard Stallman, etc. is' and next week get blank stares of 'you wanted us to do homework? We have rich/powerful parents - we don't have to even come to class if we don't want to') I refused to assess the class as they had not done one single bit of work in six months. AFAIK, the uni passed them anyway).

3) A LOT of spam comes out of places like China, but is paid for by US sources who get corrupt ISPs here to do their dirty work. The Chinese govt's original attitude was 'it's foreign income for China and no-one will block-ban 1/3 of the world population' until the rest of the world started doing just that and now they are starting to crack down on it.

Glenalec - who's broadband connection into the Chinese Academic 'net is usually drowned under virus-chatter 8am to 2am - thank-heavens for cronjobs!

They are RIGHT NOW implementing the new infrastructure, causing multi-week-long rolling outages across large regions of the country and - so far - no sign of improved service. Viva China - at least the cost of living here is negligible.

Re:IPv6: Not Ready For Prime Time

[Skapare]

Yeah, it was a troll.

But IPv6 has some problems. They can be dealt with. We ultimately need IPv6, and the sooner we move on to there, the better (the sooner we can all roll out new things that make good use of it).

IPv6 will still be slow going. Those who do move to it early will have problems of lack of connectivity everywhere while using it. That's not as much of a problem in places like China because as it expands to less technical people, it will be reaching those for whom connecting to the rest of the world won't matter, anyway.

The design of IPv6 also failed to address the routing scalability problem. It's still impractical to give everyone their own static IP addresses. It's partially mitigated by a better dynamic assignment method, but not entirely.

IPv6 could be expedited more quickly by offering a limited number of permanently assigned static netblocks to early adoptors to deploy working IPv6 connectivity, with reduced qualification requirements.