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E-mail and Snail Mail United

bahree writes "The BBC has an interesting story about how some people living in some of the most inaccessible areas of India are enjoying an improved postal service - thanks to the combining of e-mail with traditional 'snail mail'."

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  1. Hmm.. by SillyNickName4me · · Score: 3, Funny

    Does that mean they will get all those interesting offers for generic viagra and such by snail mail there?

  2. Speaking of the post office by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Email and online bill paying must some day put them out of business. I know they had financial difficulties for a while. I bet they will have to adapt in the coming years or die off.

    1. Re:Speaking of the post office by Proud+like+a+god · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually I was thinking that even if most bills and letters are sent online, they would have less of a burden on their resources for delivering many packages and parcels (as well as the traditional hand-written letter or two), allowing for a very cheap rate and with high reliability.
      But it all depends on how much of their income is drawn from bills and letters.

      PS. I'm in the UK, dunno if you meant the US PO.

    2. Re:Speaking of the post office by magores · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I believe the only reason the US Postal Service exists as it does today is because of the fact that it is part of the government.

      Government subsidies are what has kept the Postal Service from adapting. And those same subsidies are what will keep it from dying off.

      IMHO, we should NOT want it to die. Some governmental services are actually worthwhile. And, low-cost communication via snail mail is one of those worthwhile services.

    3. Re:Speaking of the post office by wfberg · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually I was thinking that even if most bills and letters are sent online, they would have less of a burden on their resources for delivering many packages and parcels (as well as the traditional hand-written letter or two), allowing for a very cheap rate and with high reliability.
      But it all depends on how much of their income is drawn from bills and letters.


      Delivering parcels is a lucrative business, and a lot of businesses deliver parcels for that reason; not just the post office.

      Any national post system relies on business letters for the vast majority of their income, and it's a steady income at that. In effect, they subsidize the delivery of non-commercial letters.

      In a lot of countries smaller parcels are also exclusively (by way of government monopoly) delivered by the general post office, just to make sure they make some cash on the side.

      If you take away small parcels and business mail for the post office, most nations won't be able to keep their postal system intact, if not for raising either the tax burden or the prices of stamps.

      The deal is simply that in order to deliver packages, you just bung a few in the back of a car, drive around and deliver them. If it's too far away, too heavy, etc. you just say "fudge that" and don't accept the parcel. You can drive along a different route each and every day.

      Mail on the other hand is viewed as an essential communications medium (e.g. for the government to be able to reach the inhabitants of every home in the nation); that involves mail(wo)men walking/biking pretty much the same route every day, dropping some mail into at least every other mailbox. That's a huge resource hog, lots of recurring expenses, so you need a steady stream of income. Hence the monopoly granted (on letters and small parcels) to a single post organization in all countries I'm aware of.

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    4. Re:Speaking of the post office by Blackneto · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The USPS is adapting.
      Tracking is offered for packages now.
      It's still cheaper than UPS, Fed Ex.
      And offers everything the primary commercial transfer companies do except for next day.
      Plus they deliver on saturday for no extra charge. Something that fed ex and UPS have comparatively recently offered.
      Any letter up to 1 ounce is frequently delivered across town in one business day for the current rate of 37 cents. (at least if moves that fast where i live)
      The USPS and the IRS are some of the most adaptive entities of the US government.

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  3. Spam by Hello+this+is+Linus · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now every one can enjoy spam...even rural India.

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  4. Anthrax by b0lt · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now we'll really need that virus scan ;)

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  5. Not just in India... by pubjames · · Score: 4, Interesting


    I live in Spain, but do a lot of business in the UK. Important snail mail that arrives to our UK offices is scanned and emailed to me.

  6. Re:In summary.. by ergo98 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Post offices in the northern state of Himachal Pradesh will take a customer's handwritten letter and computer scan it. Then the letter can be e-mailed to remote, high-altitude post-offices in this Himalayan region.

    Hrmmm...this technology sounds intriguing. I propose that we name it "fax" (just an arbitrary name that came to my head).

  7. Re:wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    RTFA. It's not about money, it's about getting there when the passes are blocked with snow for half the year.

    Plus, you only need one computer per town.

  8. Bringing Technology to The Masses by amigoro · · Score: 5, Informative
    Bringing Technology to The Masses I believe this is a step in the right direction as far as dividing the gap between information "haves" and "have nots" go.

    For example, I knew a Pakistani family in London who had relatives in the remote Karakorum region of Gilgit. The only way to get internet there was to use satellites, but this was beyond the means of many. So the London family had to rely solely on snail mail.

    Thanks to the sheer inefficiency of both Royal Mail and PAkistani mail, letters took months, yes, months to get to the destination. However, if the messages travelled over wires as far they could, then both the costs and delays could have been reduced significantly.

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  9. That's the reason! by trveler · · Score: 5, Funny

    No wonder all our jobs are going to India... their snail-mail is much faster than ours!

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  10. Feh. by shumacher · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Clever thing, using the computers that way. I've offered to do the same thing for a friend in Iraq. Cuts a few days off. News? Barely.

  11. Trustability is the key by toesate · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... to this service

    It is a prerequisite to presume that the service chain must be driven with trustworthiness. The old folks who are illiterate must trust the messenger, and the sender must assume the delivery chain is trustable.

    Imagine a powered-by-human ATM cash machine.

    Normal mail has the implicit benefit of sealed delivery, until received by the receipient.

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    1. Re:Trustability is the key by Jay+L · · Score: 4, Funny

      Imagine a powered-by-human ATM cash machine.

      You mean, like, a bank?

  12. Old story - or I'm Psyhic by craznar · · Score: 3, Interesting
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    1. Re:Old story - or I'm Psyhic by Cruciform · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah, Wired covered this in the 1990s.

      But that just shows the lag between geeks and muggles.

  13. in other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    The postal service here is now experimenting with genetic modified eagles to get them to fly faster than the speed of light, in order to catch up with the Indians.

    More news at 23:59 MOT (My Own Timezone)

    Duplicates posted later on slashdot at the top of every hour!

  14. V-Mail by iCharles · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The concept (handwritten letter->intermediary format->printed copy) reminds me of V-Mail in World War Two. People states-side would write a letter to their man in uniform on a special form. This form would be printed on microfilm, and carried over to Europe or the Pacific. The letters would be printed and handed out to the troops.

    The advantage was that the mail took up significantly less weight. 150,000 letters could be reduced from 2,500 lbs to around 45 lbs. The space savings could be used for war material.

  15. Telegraph? by FalconZero · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does anyone else see a stiking similarity with the old telegraph system?

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  16. The future of the post office by tanguyr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Email and online bill paying must some day put them out of business. I know they had financial difficulties for a while. I bet they will have to adapt in the coming years or die off.

    Certification Authorities. Think about registered mail: i can send you a letter from anywhere in the world and get a proof that it was delivered to you and only you. The post office is a federal governmental entity with offices all over the country, and they know who you are (well, at least your address).

    In the near future, you might go down to the post office, show some form of accepted identification and they would generate a personal certificate for you, free or for some nominal charge. The problem with current commercial CAs is that they are basically about certifying businesses. They will issue personal certificates to individuals, but their main interest in that area is selling certification infrastructure to corporations for use on their networks. When it comes to the idea of standardized "electronic identification cards" (optional or mandatory...) the PTOs look like a very good candidate. /t

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  17. Western Union Did It First by gregux · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Guys, this is just a modest update of an already existing technology: the telegram.

    Watch any western movie. Somewhere in it someone will want to send a message to someone else who is far away. The first guy will go to the local telegraph office and dictate his message to the clerk. Clerk hands message to the telegraph operator who keys it into the system in a binary-like format. Message travels via wire to remote telegraph office where second telegraph operator decodes the incoming signal and transcribes it. Hard copy of message is then delivered to recipient. Later improvements allowed for messages to be keyed-in and printed without human interpretation.

    No news here. Couldn't system resources be better used watching for SCO's latest folly?

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    1. Re:Western Union Did It First by antielectron · · Score: 2, Interesting
      >> Guys, this is just a modest update of an already existing technology: the telegram.

      The news here is not the technology (which is pretty straightforward in this case) but the delivery of a workable application of it at a price point the market will bear.

      Try to covince Western Union to go into the business of connecting people living in the higher inaccessible reaches of the Himalayas (many for whom the price of a 37c US first class postage stamp will pay their living costs for a day) with their family and friends in the rest of the country.

      >> No news here. Couldn't system resources be better used watching for SCO's latest folly?

      Wait till you see SCO going after the email operators over there ...

  18. Been done. By FedEx Zapmail by netringer · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The US Post Office (as it was called then) looked into doing this very thing - Faxing snail mail to the post office nearest the addressee. Luckily for them the usual government bureaucracy held them up from getting in place in time.

    Federal Express CEO Fred Smith made a huge investment in FAX over a private satellite network called Zapmail. The idea being they could do better than next day delivery by getting documents there in the next few hours.

    Unfortunately for them high-speed FAX machines using dial-up phone lines became cheap and common and ZapMail was abandoned in a year.

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  19. FAX? by Flamesplash · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How is this different than a fax machine exactly?

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    1. Re:FAX? by FalconZero · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because FAX requires that the recipient have a fax machine, whereas Letter->whatever->Letter can be delivered regardless of what hardware the final recipient has.

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  20. lets go to x.400! by yulek · · Score: 2, Interesting
    x.400 already has postal address elements built in. and as an added bonus, Microsoft Exchange already supports x.400 (in fact, the MTA is built on x.400 routing, SMTP is just a connector (read gateway)).

    just email me @ x.400:G=William; S=Gates; CN=bgates; O=microsoft; OU=xstaff; PD-PN=Bill Gates; PD-S=1 Redmond Way; PD-A1=building 8; PD-CODE=98052; PD-C=USA...

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  21. Seen it before... in Australia! by mlambie · · Score: 4, Funny
    A friend of mine that I went through uni with works at Westnet (A relatively large, Perth-based ISP). Over a BBQ lunch the other day, he told of a story in which the support team received a snail mail with the envelope addressed to, get this, support@westnet.com.au.

    And you guessed it, the return address was the customer's e-mail address. The note compained how their e-mail was not working.

  22. cheap? by madygoosey · · Score: 2, Informative

    at a cheap 10 rupees (0.12) per letter I don't know if 10 rupees is cheap, you can buy a pack of chips for that much there. A pack of chips that size goes for a dollar here, paying the equivalent of a dollar for every letter doesn't seems very cheap. Why don't the post offices just get those people email accounts(liks a someone@townpostoffice.org) or something and just have people email stuff to eachother at the post office only(so they don't kill business), and charge a lot less.

  23. Re:In summary.. by intelligent+poster · · Score: 2, Informative

    And thats the rub see.. phone lines are difficult to lay down (and satellite telephony is prohibitively expensive) while satellite *internet* is relatively inexpensive.

  24. Same system launched in China late 2000 by grainofsand · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Exactly the same system was launched in China in late 2000. At the time, the Chinese postal service "promised" that it would not read any of the emails.

    The system has not been an overwhelming success.

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  25. Old idea by ajs318 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The earliest form of electronic communication was the telegraph. A person wishing to send a message would go to the telegraph office and dictate it to a telegraph clerk. The message would be sent by Morse code, one letter at a time, and decoded and written out at the far end. It would then be delivered by a boy on a bicycle.

    Apart from using rather more sophisticated electronic devices than a simple telegraph key and sounder, what has really changed? Certainly if anyone was trying to patent this, there might be some prior art under the names of Cooke and Wheatstone.

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