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The Zenith Angle

charlie writes "Bruce Sterling has been writing on the cutting edge of SF for close to thirty years now. After 2000's Zeitgeist he took some time out to write a non-fiction book, Tomorrow Now -- but it's nice to see he's returning to fiction with a new novel, The Zenith Angle, due out in hardcover on April 27th. While his first novels were set in the far future, his recent novels have approached ever closer to the present moment, so it's not too surprising to see that The Zenith Angle is being marketed as a technothriller." Read on below for the rest of Stross' review. The Zenith Angle author Bruce Sterling pages 320 pages publisher Del Rey rating 10 reviewer Charles Stross ISBN 0345460618 summary High-impact infowar technothriller for the technoliterati

Full disclosure forces me to mention that the publisher sent me an advance copy in the hope that I'd write a cover blurb it -- and I did. I'm really impressed. To sum it up in a single sentence suitable for a dustjacket slot, Bruce has written a Catch-22 for the Slashdot generation: a wry, cynical, informed peek at the paranoid world of the post-9/11 cyberspookerati that shines a bright light on the hidden arsenal of infowar.

So what's it all about?

Meet Derek Vandeveer: your typical shy, retiring, brilliant computer scientist working for an internet startup, married to an equally shy and retiring astronomer. And his former college roommate, Tony Carew: your typical dot-com boardroom monkey, a slick, extroverted hustler with a bizjet and a girlfriend from Bollywood. 9/11 happens, and their worlds are never going to be the same again. One of them is going to betray everything he holds precious, the other is going to dive head-first into the twilight world of internet-era espionage, and when they meet again the consequences will be explosive.

The plot romps along with ironic, discursive energy, from the Rocky Mountain hideaway of an increasingly eccentric billionaire industrialist to the bolt-hole basement where America's guardians wait out the long watch for an act of atomic terrorism -- but we're in safe hands here, because we've got Sterling for a guide. This is the future. This is now.

At this point in a normal review I'd start comparing the product to other novels. In fact, if I was Bruce Sterling reviewing this book and it was written by somebody else, I'd say something like: "this is a book that stands proudly in the tradition of Neal Stephenson's Cryptonomicon [if Cryptonomicon was, like, a normal-length novel instead of a trilogy in a corset] and Bruce Schneier's Secrets and Lies"[but hang on, Secrets and Lies isn't even fiction -- where am I saying, here?] ..."

But I'm not Bruce (and I don't have the chutzpah to put words into his mouth because he's a better reviewer than I am). So let's just say, my take on affairs is that The Zenith Angle doesn't really stand in any kind of tradition at all (even though it does read better if you also dig Schneier and Stephenson). It's one of a kind. What we've got is one of the godfathers of cyberpunk taking a long, hard look at where we've come to. And it's a frightening place indeed. He's been tracking this territory in WIRED for several years now: from the frontiers of hacking (which he documented in 1994's The Hacker Crackdown ) to the weirdly convoluted secret history of the military-industrial complex.

By inclination and occupation Sterling is one-half journalist, one-half futurist, and one-half gonzo cyberpunk novelist -- and he somehow crams it all into this book, a 150% full-on technothriller with science fictional sensibilities, or an SF novel about a future that has imploded into the present. This is good, excellent, stuff. Trust me, you'll like it. Pre-order it from Amazon or buy it next month when it comes out -- but read it anyway. It's seminal and it's scary.

Besides Amazon, you can pre-order The Zenith Angle from bn.com. Slashdot welcomes readers' book reviews -- to see your own review here, read the book review guidelines, then visit the submission page.

110 comments

  1. Authors by HeghmoH · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've never read anything by Stirling, and I was going to skip the review until I saw who wrote the review. There's something oddly ironic about reading a review just because it was written by one of your favorite authors.

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    1. Re:Authors by IO+ERROR · · Score: 2, Interesting
      You're missing out. Bruce Sterling is definitely one of the classic writers of our times. If nothing else read The Hacker Crackdown. Then goto your local library and check out everything with his name on it. You remember libraries, right? The place where they have all those dead trees with ink on them? :-)

      I'm definitely looking forward to this book.

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    2. Re:Authors by maxentius · · Score: 4, Informative

      Indeed. It's good to see Mr. Stross's name once in a while.

      Hey Charlie, remember D. West?

      For those of you who aren't familiar, Charles Stross is one of Britain's hot young SF writers. Check out the novel "Singularity Sky," from Ace Books.

      For more instant gratification, try this.

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    3. Re:Authors by jabberjaw · · Score: 1

      He is Charles Stross, an up and coming sci-fi author.

    4. Re:Authors by Wellspring · · Score: 4, Informative

      Bruce Sterling is phenomenal.

      I'm actually one of those guys who loved his early work more than his more recent stuff. I find alot of what I read lately a little on the preachy side. He's still a very smart guy-- and a brilliant writer.

      Read The Hacker Crackdown-- it's literary freeware, and so there's no excuse not to.

      Then, go buy Schizmatrix Plus. This is one of my all-time favorite science fiction books. I can't find the words to tell you how great this book is. It manages to be both epic and intensely personal.

    5. Re:Authors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You say you've never read Sterling so I have one piece of advice for you: pick up one of his books, any one -- doesn't matter, and read it now. Seriously. Sterling is like good drugs but without the side-effects.

  2. Author has a future in politics by tomocoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This author has done the impossible. He has written a piece of significant length that seems to say nothing at all.

    1. Re:Author has a future in politics by Stopmotioncleaverman · · Score: 1

      Try The Postmodernism Generator if you want more randomly-generated lengthy pieces that mean nothing whatsoever :P

    2. Re:Author has a future in politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice to see that somebody else noticed it.

      "paranoid world of the post-9/11 cyberspookerati that shines a bright light on the hidden arsenal of infowar."

      Good grief. Somebody get the hose, the dictionary humped the White House and buzzwords are popping out like flies on rancid meat.

  3. Niiice... by ErikTheRed · · Score: 2, Funny

    Get us all hyped up over a book that won't be out for a month... Evil!!! :)

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  4. 10 out of 10? by Sexual+Ass+Gerbil · · Score: 0

    Talk about grade inflation. I don't think I've seen a book review on Slashdot that was less than six or seven stars.. except for some free, unfinished online books.

    1. Re:10 out of 10? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      except for some free, unfinished online books.

      Yeah, I know sourceforge sucks most of the time...oh wait, you said books.

    2. Re:10 out of 10? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I'd read it and give it a 2 out of 10, but I don't waste my time on hacks like Sterling. Suffering through it just so I can give it a 2 out of 10 on slashdot isn't worth it to me.

      However, if you feel comfortable with me giving it a 2 out of 10 without having read it, I can do that if you prefer.

      I give this book a 2 out of 10.

    3. Re:10 out of 10? by sTalking_Goat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Look at it this way. No one gets paid to reveiw books for slashdot. So really the only reason to write a book reveiw is that you like the book so much that you want to share it, or that its such a steaming load you wish to warn the world to steer clear of it. How many books in the latter category have you read completely enough to give a thorough rational reveiw?

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  5. 'Technothrillers' by Melvin+Daniels · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Technothrillers are nice, but I'm hoping the characters are a bit more developed instead of the stereotypical caste that they seem to come from in this guys' and everyone else's 'technothrillers'. I can understand why more of the bend is on other details, but it would really enthrall me. I will however not judge this one until I've read it, but it's just food for thought.

  6. Fellow Slashdotters, prepare to be dazzled! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well, as Timothy already mentioned, the name of the book that I read was The Zenith Angle. It's about these ... angles. Angles ... with computer programmers ... and ... plots that romp on ... and Bollywood ... Did I mention this book was written by a guy named Bruce Sterling? And published by the good people at Del Rey. So, in conclusion, on the Slashdot scale of eight to ten, ten being the highest, eight being the lowest, and nine being average, I give this book ... a ten. Any questions? Nope? Then I'll just sit down.

    1. Re:Fellow Slashdotters, prepare to be dazzled! by mrgeometry · · Score: 1

      It's Long John Silver!

  7. If only I were me by modder · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "In fact, if I was Bruce Sterling reviewing"...

    And if I were the person who suggested I read "The Difference Engine" to introduce me to Sterling, I'd feel pretty dumb for suggesting this book. It would have been my very own suggestion which made me waste my time reading half of a novel.

    I think I actually brought that one back to the store and demanded a refund. If he does do better work, I'm afraid this little gem will prevent me from ever reading it. If you want good, intelligent sci fi, try Phillip K Dick.

    1. Re:If only I were me by zarei · · Score: 1

      Did you even read any of his other books? They are nothing like The Difference Engine(well a little). I'd recommend any of these in no order what so ever: Holy Fire, Zeitgeist and/or Heavy Weather.

  8. Parallel to William Gibson by OblongPlatypus · · Score: 4, Informative

    William Gibson has been doing the same thing; also a sci-fi writer, his latest novel Pattern Recognition is set in the present just like The Zenith Angle.

    Personally I'm a big fan of Gibson, but have read very little by Sterling. Can anyone who's read both comment on similarities and differences between the two?

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    1. Re:Parallel to William Gibson by spun · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Sterling actually likes technolgy, Gibson doesn't. Gibson is a better word-smith, Sterling has more interesting ideas. Gibson is a pessimist, Sterling is an optimist. Sterling understands Science, Gibson understands Poetry. That being said, if you like Gibson, you will almost certainly like Sterling, though perhaps for different reasons

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    2. Re:Parallel to William Gibson by funwithBSD · · Score: 1, Troll

      Gibson -> Hienlien
      Sterling -> Azimov

      For the over 30 crowd... =)

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    3. Re:Parallel to William Gibson by bobetov · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Others have said it, but I'll emphasize it. Sterling's characters all have motivations that derive from goals and ideals. ESPECIALLY the "evil" characters. I can't tell you how refreshing it is to have believable, sympathetic enemies in SF.

      The world is far too open and transparent for pure-black bad guys to feel real in these days of global information. Those of us who read deeper than Fox News and White House spinmeisters know there are two sides to almost every conflict, and Sterling gets it right.

      YMMV.

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    4. Re:Parallel to William Gibson by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 1

      Asimov, and I disagree completely. But whatever.

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    5. Re:Parallel to William Gibson by bluetrident · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, I disagree. Gibson may not like tech, but he at least has the foresight to see where it's going. I received 'Pattern Recognition' as a gift and I was blown away. Granted, the googling crap was cliche, but a story based around a video being released anonymously over the web, complete with watermarks. That's such a brilliant story for us.

      I have an English degree and I work in IT. I've written a few scifi stories myself, but some of Gibson's stories absolutely floor me--especially for someone that didn't even use a computer at the time he was writing these stories. I've read a few of Sterling's books, and I haven't gotten much out of them. If nothing else, he's playing on topics that have already been used. The whole idea of scifi (and fiction) is to create a story that makes one think. I read to escape the crap that happens on a day-to-day basis, not to hear the same story/idea I heard earlier in my office.

    6. Re:Parallel to William Gibson by spun · · Score: 1

      I agree with you bobetov. The world is painted in shades of gray, not black and white. Real people have real motivations, and 'evil' is based on point of view. Moderators who mod things like this down are just afraid of the fact that the world is really this complex. It is, and modding people down isn't going to make it black and white again. Deal with it.

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    7. Re:Parallel to William Gibson by spun · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As an English major, I'm sure you relize that Gibson's characters are flat and stereotypical. Sterling's character's have depth and realistic motivations, even the 'evil' ones. Gibson's plotlines and characters would translate well to movies, or comic books for that matter. Sterling's complexities would be lost in those media.

      IMHO, Gibson is the one who plays on topics that have already been used. He may have coined the phrase cyberpunk, but he certainly didn't invent the genre. In fact, I can't think of a single idea that Gibson has had that I haven't read someplace else first. Gibson is a virtuoso with the English language. He is a true poet. But an Idea Guy?!? You don't read much older Sci-Fi, do you?

      Gibson is certainly a more comfortable read for people who like to think of the world as black and white. Sterling is more for people who realize that it isn't.

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    8. Re:Parallel to William Gibson by extra88 · · Score: 1

      Gibson coined "cyberspace," not "cyberpunk." SF editor extraordinaire Gardner Dozois" came up with "cyberpunk" to describe the 80s sub-genre which included Gibson, Sterling, John Shirley, and others.</pedant>

      I definitely agree Sterling is the Big Idea man and Gibson is the poet. I wouldn't be so harsh about the depth of Gibson's characters though, especially not in his later books.

    9. Re:Parallel to William Gibson by Pope · · Score: 1

      I find Sterling to be a much better overall writer; Gibson, like Stephenson, has some great ideas and comes up with some neat characters, but they expand all too rapidly until the author has to suddenly wrap it all up in 30 pages because the book is getting too long. Someone once told me that this is a common problem with "cyberpunk" authors, so I attributed it to the fact that they simply aren't good writers. :)

      "Islands In The Net" and "Heavy Weather" are both great reads, IMO. I'm looking forward to this new Sterling book.

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    10. Re:Parallel to William Gibson by luna69 · · Score: 1

      Heinlein, and I disagree completely. But whatever.

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    11. Re:Parallel to William Gibson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but can you spell Iassic, mr. smartyguy?!!

    12. Re:Parallel to William Gibson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dozois never claimed to have coined it, he just used it before most people had read bethke's obviously titled short.

  9. If it's anything like Sterling's, 'Distraction'... by bluetrident · · Score: 1

    Then it will be bad. Very bad. Terribly bad.

    (Did that fact that he used that same sentence every 3 pages drive anyone else insane?)

  10. Amazon link by Burgundy+Advocate · · Score: 3, Funny

    For those of us who don't want to use Barnes and Nobel for ethical reasons, use this Amazon link:

    The Zenit Angle

    I'm amazed Slashdot doesn't add this by default.

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    1. Re:Amazon link by xxdinkxx · · Score: 1

      thanks for the amazon link. I must ask however, what _exactally_ do you mean "for ethical reasons". What are they doing that is so bad?
      Is it just that they are another large corporate entity? I am not trying to troll, I really am just curious.

    2. Re:Amazon link by geekoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I hear ya.
      I thought we were boycotting Amazon for there 1 click crap?

      Of course, it's easy to boycot something when you can get better deals else where.
      I can always find better deals then amazon. Often at B&N

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    3. Re:Amazon link by unmuzzled+and+mean · · Score: 1

      Link by default? Well some of us go to .co.uk so it would waste my time to follow the .com link.

    4. Re:Amazon link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well perhaps you should be going to slashdot.co.uk, hmm?

    5. Re:Amazon link by luna69 · · Score: 1
      Better yet, order the book from a local, non-chain bookstore. Chances are you'll pay the same or close, and you'll be helping a bookstore that doesn't engage in ethically questionable pricing, supporting local business, and generally bumping up your Karma score.

      For instance, if you lived in the Rocky Mountain region, I'd suggest The Tattered Cover. If you lived in Portland & the Northwest, I'd suggest Powell's, and if you live in California I'd point you towards my personal favorite Bay Area bookstore, Cody's Books.

      Independent Bookstores are to Barnes & Noble as Linux is to Windows, etc.

      Please consider using independent stores when buying books: Amazon & B&N might be "easy" and have nifty websites...but that doesn't make them GOOD. Remember, indeps can provide the same book, with the same service, while helping, rather than hurting, small business and media independence.

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    6. Re:Amazon link by luna69 · · Score: 1
      > What are they doing that is so bad?

      The following was provided to me by someone in the industry, specifically for me to post here, to answer this precise question. Chain stores are not a positive thing, and ultimately do NOT foster the capitalist/free market ideals that benefit them so much. Please read:

      This article -- is very, very old (1999), but a number of the points the author wrote about then are very applicable when you're talking about online chain/mega stores. The sales tax issue is perhaps most interesting to bring up -- the purchase of, well, most everything online, with the exception of items from a business in one's state, or a business having a nexus in one's state, deprives the local community (sometimes city, more often county) of sales tax revenue. It is that revenue that pays for emergency services, roads, and schools, in many parts of the country.

      And here's one of Richard Howorth's (a great person) articles:

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  11. Bruce Sterlings previous work has been weak by wintermute42 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    After reading William Gibson's Neuromancer I wanted to read more science fiction like it. At the time there was a sort of boomlet of "cyberpunk" authors. In addition to the master, Gibson, some of them were pretty good. I liked Walter Jon Williams' book Hardwired. K.W. Jetter wrote some pretty interesting stuff. Jon Shirley wrote the Eclipse books which were a sort of cool combination of rock, drugs and cyberpunk distopia. And then there was Bruce Sterling. I've always seen Sterling as a wana-be Gibson. Unfortunately for Sterling he does not have Gibson's brilliance as a writer or Gibson's unique world view. Of the writers listed above, Sterlings has always seemed to me to be the weakest. I've found Sterling's writing in WIRED equally empty. Sterling might be viewed as a science fiction Tom Clancy (he even seems to share Tom Clancy's right wing political views).

    William Gibson has written one really weak book, The Difference Engine and this was co-authored with Sterling. It is interesting to note that they have not written anything together since. Gibson must have come to realize that he is far weaker with Sterling than without.

    I just finished Charles Stross' Singularity Sky (which I think was reviewed on Slashdot). I thought that it was excellent and I look forward to reading more of Stross' work. I rate Stross far higher than Sterling. Where Sterling is a techno-wana-be, Stross is the real thing. The author I would compare Stross to the most is Ken MacLeod (who I also like).

    I have not had a chance to read Sterling's latest (which I think I'll get from the library). But if you're spending money, I'd spend it on Stross, Ken MacLeod, Dan Simmons (his latest book Illium is interesting). Or if you have not read Ian MacDonald, try his book Terminal Cafe which is one of the great speculations on the implications of nanotechnology.

    1. Re:Bruce Sterlings previous work has been weak by bluetrident · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I agree. Oh course, Gibson will remain supreme, but i think that Pat Cadigan is another author worthy of reading. She (yes, she's a female) is a great storyteller and her use of 'porn' in her stories is quite interesting.

      And we have all read Neal Stephenson, and I think his move to more of a fiction-based story is quite interesting. Since 'Cryptonomicon', he's basically telling a normal story with a bunch of tech/crpyto stuff thrown in.

      I always thought Sterling was a bit weak in his storytelling and writing skills. Even 'The Difference Engine' was a struggle for me to make it through. Stephenson's psuedonym, Stephen Bury, reminds me of Sterling, but with a much better writing ability.

      Enjoy.

    2. Re:Bruce Sterlings previous work has been weak by 87C751 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      William Gibson has written one really weak book, The Difference Engine and this was co-authored with Sterling.
      Gibson wrote one weak book all by himself, too. IMHO, 'Mona Lisa Overdrive', the third book in the Sprawl trilogy, suffered from the fact that it was the first experience Gibson actually had with a computer. His previous works, including 'Neuromancer' and 'Count Zero', were created with an old-fashioned manual typewriter and one of the hallmarks of both novels is the magical aspect to computers. He never goes deeply into the tech, but he imbues the "deck" with a talismanic characteristic. But reading MLO, you can actually see his vision of computer as magical metaphor drain away as he gains experience in the mundanities of actual tech. (I read somewhere that Gibson said of his first experiences, "I never knew they were so noisy.") By the end of MLO, computers are little more than scenery.

      Actually, 'weak' isn't a fair characterization, as MLO is still a strong finish to the trilogy. But the change of attitude is really obvious and I think it does diminish the work a bit.

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    3. Re:Bruce Sterlings previous work has been weak by firewrought · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I always thought Sterling was a bit weak in his storytelling and writing skills.

      Try reading Schismatrix or Holy Fire (or even Distraction) as if it was a biography. Instead of looking for plot, look at how technology transforms the protagonist and his society. Instead of looking for one amazing technological device that drives the story (an 'artifact-come-plot-device' or 'Stargate', if you will), look for a glut of radical, unbalancing technologies, each treated with unnerving casualness.

      Some of Sterling's ideas are quite ambitious, almost terrifying, and utterly convincing. In Schismatrix, you can almost feel the collective human existence struggling to instantiate itself into something that's far above intelligence. Not all of his works are great, but Schismatrix and Holy Fire were triumphs; they rank at #1 and #3 on my list of all-time-best sci-fi.

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    4. Re:Bruce Sterlings previous work has been weak by wintermute42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I agree that Mona Lisa Overdrive was not the best in the Sprawl trilogy. I have to confess that when I wrote about weak Gibson books, this came to mind. I still own a copy of MLO, but I gave away my copy of The Difference Engine. I found The Difference Engine more or less unreadable.

      Since I've outed myself as a William Gibson groupie (I guess "Wintermute42" might give it away too), I'll also mention that he speaks in the same way that he writes. I don't know if this is rare with authors or not.

      Years ago I drove two hours through traffic from San Diego to Los Angeles to hear Ray Bradbury give a keynote address at the yearly Association for Computing Machinery conference. I've always admired Bradbury as a stylist. But listening to him speak is torture. Truely horrible. While I think that he can write beautifully, he cannot speak.

      In contrast, listening to Gibson is like reading one of his books. Gibson is really bright and he sees the world differently than most people. He puts together these amazing sentences with the slight trace of a Southern drawl. This really comes through in the Gibson documentary No Maps for These Territories and to a lesser extent at his book signings.

    5. Re:Bruce Sterlings previous work has been weak by bluetrident · · Score: 1

      I'll be honest, I haven't read Schismatrix or Holy Fire (I've picked them up many a time), but, by that point, I was already discouraged with Sterling and I didn't feel like wasting my money. He also reminds me of Greg Bear (but on a tech slant). I enjoy reading both Sterling and Bear, but I just don't think they've got the ability to tell a Good story. They both have amazing ideas, they just don't capitalize on them.

      But hey, that's just me. I enjoy any writer that can tell a story and make me think for a second. Robert Charles Wilson is amazing because he can tell a story, but I don't think his ideas are there. I just want people to read, I love books and I love when people take a second out of their lives to think about something. At least they'll have a good argument in the meantime.

    6. Re:Bruce Sterlings previous work has been weak by elmegil · · Score: 1
      Gibson supreme? Based on a criticism of Sterling as a techno wannabe? Did you actually read Neuromancer?

      There are technical clinkers scattered all through Gibson's work. Embarassing ones in the early stuff especially (I recall something about a modem being referred to in completely bizarre context).

      Now, Gibson is still a fantastic prose stylist, and has some cool ideas too, but he definitely fits, or at least at one time fit, the profile of the techno wannabe.

      As far as it goes, I wasn't much impressed with Difference Engine or with Islands in the Net (the opening line struck me as a really bad parody/homage to Neuromancer's opening line, and after a few more pages of turgid prose I threw it across the room). But Schizmatrix is very cool, and a lot of Bruce's short fiction is also excellent. Don't base your opinion of him on just a couple bad data points.

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    7. Re:Bruce Sterlings previous work has been weak by Wiktor+Kochanowski · · Score: 1

      > Sterling might be viewed as a science fiction Tom Clancy >(he even seems to share Tom Clancy's right wing political views) Dude, you have no idea what you're talking about. You should have a look at the Viridian newsletter (http://www.viridiandesign.org) to get a fix of Bruce Sterling's political views. They are anything but right wing, maybe not as far left as Ken McLeod but I'd definitely term him at least "progressive". Except for _The Difference Engine_, I liked everything he wrote. And then some things just blow me apart, like _Schismatrix_. The depth, AND the breadth of the thing!

  12. Read The Difference Engine by Doug+Dante · · Score: 2, Interesting

    William Gibson and Bruce Sterling wrote it together.

    Bruce Sterling has a adaptive vocabulary, and a sharp wit, but there's something beautifully barren about William Gibson's prose.

    Bruce Sterling also focuses a bit more on "the big picture", while Gibson seems to be more intimately familiar with his characters. Sterling's books seem more positive, and Gibson's more dark. (I've read them all).

    Overall, they're both great authors, and if you like one, you'll almost certainly like the other.

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  13. My blurb by mouthbeef · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I got an advance copy for blurbage at the same time as Charlie (Me: "What's a technothriller?" Sterling: "It's like a science fiction novel, but it's got the President in it."). Here's my dustjacket take:

    "Sterling has his fingers on about a hundred different pulses in this book, which vibrates with fantastic in-jokes and insights from Bollywood to dot-bomb, from mil-spec gear-pigs to earnest cybercops. The story rockets along like a hijacked airliner heading straight at you, like a flash-worm compromising every unpatched Windows box on the net at once. I read it in one sitting, and I'll read it again before the month is out. Lots of books are called "thrillers" but very few are this thrilling."

    BTW, Sterling called this kind of writing "Nowpunk" at his SXSW talk last week: http://craphound.com/sterlingsxsw04.txt

    1. Re:My blurb by gid-goo · · Score: 1

      Jesus Christ, you get paid to do that? Shit, I need to get a job like that. String together a bunch of techno flash bullshit that sounds slightly Wired hip and then collect the cash. Ka-ching!

    2. Re:My blurb by Dram · · Score: 2, Funny

      Cory,

      If you want to unload this book before you move, you know so you have one less thing to take across the pond with you, I would be happy to take it off your hands. You know, just offering the services I can provide.

    3. Re:My blurb by Enoch+Root · · Score: 1

      +1, Funny yet subtle enough to fool a moderator on crack.

      "...rockets along like a hijacked airliner heading straight at you..." Bwahahaha!

    4. Re:My blurb by charlie · · Score: 3, Informative

      Funnily enough, I didn't get paid to write that. All you get if you're asked to blurb a novel is the advance copy of a book that isn't published yet -- and the opportunity to say "sorry" if it doesn't push your buttons.

  14. Eh.. What ?? by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 1

    "Bruce Sterling has been writing on the cutting edge of SF for close to thirty years now."

    Ok, what is cutting edge in sci-fi ??

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  15. italics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    those italics on the comments for the stories are anoying

  16. Sterling not Stirling Re:Authors by StefanJ · · Score: 3, Informative

    Not being picky about spelling; there's an SF author Stirling who writes very different stuff.

    Suggestion: Start with bruces' short fiction. There are a couple of collections out there. Globalhead is uneven, but the good stuff ("Our Neural Chernobyl", "The Shores of Bohemia") is really, really good.

    A Good Old Fashioned Future has more consistently good stories, including a doozy ("Maneki Neko") about a network-enabled gift economy.

    Stefan

  17. Note to the owners! Please close the tag! by MAXOMENOS · · Score: 1

    Thanks.

  18. a not-very-serious answer :) by timothy · · Score: 2, Funny

    There's a lot of overlap in their subject matter (near future to distant future, high-tech worlds full of mindboggling creatures and machines you can see slowly gathering on the current horizon), but ...

    Sterling's style is more "serious" (IMO) and therefore easier to parody :) Gibson seemingly has more fun, though much of his work is anything but lighthearted. I have (somewhere) the unabridged audio version of "Neuromancer," and Gibson's voice (he's the narrator, unusual and good for audio books) has a cynical, nasal sound that makes me want to go place the world's most serious, biting, unbelievably bitter and pessimistic fast-food order. It took me a little while to stop being weirded out by his voice, and now I will (no great stretch) submit his is the perfect voice for the story. It is, well, *his* voice and his story, so it's not like I can object very well ;)

    "Do your fries have genetically engineered crypto-organisms put there by the military industrial complex on them just to spy on my ultradrug mind-enhancement? No? I don't believe you, but make it a large."

    timothy

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  19. New SciFi by painandgreed · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've always loved Sterling more than Gibson. Both had soem really good ideas back int eh day but things like the Shapers and Machinists, e.g. 20 Evocations, really just hit the spot with me. Especially when you could read half a dozen stories and see them all play out independantly in the same world and see the differences in world with the passage of time. Other books such as The Artifical Kid and Holy Fire were similarly really fun to read with ideas that I just enjoyed. In comparison, Gibson just seems to drift further and further from my intrests and enjoyablity. It took me four attempts to get through Pattern Recognition, although it was still a good book it just never grabbed me. Still, Sterling, Gibson, Stephenson, etc. all seem to be tryign to get away from Sci Fi and neat ideas and bring their stuff closer to the persent day. I don't know if they're trying to break into "respectable writing" or what but I don't like it. I finished Cryptonomicon and felt like I'd just read the latest Crichton or Clansey. If I wanted to read Crichton or Clansey, I'd be reading them. I want Sci Fi. I want fantastic worlds and technology. Want neat ideas in what might be. If I wanted technothrillers, i'd be reading techno thrillers to begin with. It was sad enough for Stephenson to put out uninspired stuff, but now that Sterling is joining him, there's no longer any authors for me to eagerly await books from (except for Rudy Rucker).

    1. Re:New SciFi by ACPosterChild · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but Rudy got old and quit taking drugs. Maybe it turns around toward the end, but Realware is too preachy for me. And what's with the IP rights stuff? If everyone has a magic wand, who gives a shit if people can reproduce what you've made? If he's actually trying to point out that even if people are given the world they will still compete and withold things from others in order to feel special, he's doing a poor job, because it sounds like he's actually concerned with upholding those views. The protaganists seem more concerned with proving to others how cool they are than with enjoying what they do. I suppose I should pick the book back up and finish it.

  20. Hacker Crackdown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bruce's sci-fi may suck, but he wrote a really good peice of piece of non-fiction called Hacker Crackdown: Law and Disorder on the Electronic Frontier. About 10 years old, it's a great read about the computer underground before the web. Bruce gives it away as 'literary freeware.'

  21. Someone forgot by generationxyu · · Score: 1

    their closing tag.

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  22. Cutting Edge Re:Eh.. What ?? by StefanJ · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe it would help to define the trailing edge first:

    * Stories about interstellar empires that look and smell like the British or Roman empires.

    * Yet another Civil War alternate history story.

    * Any SF future which doesn't fully take into account scientific fact and technical innovation.

    * . . . and other SF that seems more like comfort food than brain food.

    Whether a piece of fiction is "cutting edge" or not doesn't determine whether it's well written or entertaining.

    I've read plenty of really well written comfort food SF, and plenty of cutting edge stuff that just did nothing for me.

    Stefan

  23. Hacker Crackdown Free E-Text by Inhibit · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Bruce Sterling's "The Hacker Crackdown" got released a bit back as a free e-text. Copyright's in the header, and it's a great read, so go get it :).

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  24. So many stories, so little time... by ink_polaroid · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...But if Charlie Stross makes the time to write a review for us (and if Cory Doctorow takes the time to chip in) I think it's deserving of a little less cynicism on our behalf. (While Stross (and Doctorow, perhaps) *might* have received some kind of reimbursment for writing the dustjacket blurb, I think it's safe to assume he is/they are not working on a sales commission...)

    The comparison being made between Sterling, Gibson and Stephenson are interesting to me.

    I agree with those who don't rate The Difference Engine very highly. It's clear to me that both Stephenson and Sterling are deeply interested in the social history of technology, but their partnership on this novel didn't work (for me) because while the book was bulging with details and ideas, there was no story. A lot of detail, a lot of people and places, but nothing resembling a plot, character development, thesis, or anything else that keeps me turning the pages until the end. In my imagined reality I see the two of them furiously exhanging emails and drafts, the signal inexorably swamped by the noise of two people who have a lot to say, but who can't agree on a way to say it.

    I don't agree with those who follow the "if you like X you'll love Y" formula with Sterling, Gibson and Stephenson. But... if I could assemble an author with Sterling's understanding of our world, Stephenson's interest in how we got here, and Gibson's talent for metaphor and wordplay, *then* we'd have a novelist who would either change the world or cause it to implode.

    1. Re:So many stories, so little time... by mouthbeef · · Score: 1

      Nobody gets paid for writing dustjacket blurbs. It's a gift economy, pure and simple. (Off to write a blurb for the new Sean Stewart novel, which is a corker).

    2. Re:So many stories, so little time... by extra88 · · Score: 1

      Dustjacket blurbs are also self-advertising. I don't think I'm unusual because I make note of the names on blurbs. If someone writes a blurb for an author I like, that makes me more interested in the blurb writer's work. Likewise, if an author I like writes a blurb for an author I don't know, that's a pretty important recommendation.

      Blurbs don't get an unknown author on an Authors-To-Buy whitelist but they add a couple of points to the scoring which may push a book over the To-Buy threshhold.

      It works because the Sterling audience should become familiar with the name "Cory Doctorow." It's advertising directed at the audience most likely to be interested in the product. Unfortunately, the system eventually breaks down because a mutual admiration society develops and you see the same names again and again on each other's books. It seems to take too long for new blood to show up on the jackets.

    3. Re:So many stories, so little time... by st.+augustine · · Score: 1
      Unfortunately, the system eventually breaks down because a mutual admiration society develops and you see the same names again and again on each other's books. It seems to take too long for new blood to show up on the jackets.
      How long do you expect it to take? I don't recall seeing Cory's name attatched to any of the blurbs for Distraction or Zeitgeist, for instance; and I'm sure that in five years we'll be seeing someone we haven't heard of yet on the cover of Cory's latest. Seems to me the turnover in names is roughly proportional to the turnover in authors, which seems reasonable enough.
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  25. Globalhead -- uneven but with gems by handy_vandal · · Score: 3, Informative

    Globalhead is uneven, but the good stuff ("Our Neural Chernobyl", "The Shores of Bohemia") is really, really good.

    Agreed -- not all of the Globalhead stories make the grade -- but don't miss "We See Things Differently" -- my God, that's a great story!

    Sterling has an amazing gift for writing political fiction -- he writes American characters, Arab characters, Russian characters ... and man, you are there, you become an American, an Arab, a Russian.

    Also not to be missed: "Red Star, Winter Orbit" -- short story, collaboration with William Gibson, appears in Gibson's "Burning Chrome" collection.

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  26. Sterling: Gift for Character Development by handy_vandal · · Score: 1

    I'm hoping the characters are a bit more developed instead of the stereotypical caste that they seem to come from in this guys' and everyone else's 'technothrillers'

    Sterling delivers the goods -- the man knows how to create characters. A label like "techno-thriller" doesn't mean a thing -- all I know is that Sterling has got the right stuff, time and again.

    Note that Harlan Ellison raved about Sterling's first novel ("Involution Ocean"). I'm not saying Harlan Ellison is always right, but man, it's damned rare that he raves about anything -- usually he savages anyone and everything.

    See my other post for more comments and links.

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  27. What Kind of Silver? by handy_vandal · · Score: 1

    It's Long John Silver!

    Arrgh, Jim boy -- ye mean Sterling silver, don't ye ...?

    -kgj

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  28. Difference Engine by handy_vandal · · Score: 1

    And if I were the person who suggested I read "The Difference Engine" to introduce me to Sterling, I'd feel pretty dumb for suggesting this book. It would have been my very own suggestion which made me waste my time reading half of a novel.

    Of course, "Difference Engine" was a collaboration with William Gibson.

    That said -- I didn't like Difference Engine a hell of a lot. (Only the last third, really -- each third is a separate story -- the first was boring, the second okay, the third rocked.)

    For a better collaboration w/ Gibson, read "Red Star, Winter Orbit" -- outstanding short story -- more notes in my other post.

    -kgj

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  29. Do NOT Read The Difference Engine by kcm · · Score: 1
    _The Difference Engine_ is quite possibly the most disappointing book I've ever slagged through. I honestly only spent the last month with it to say I read it, and to never have to think about it again. I had a lot of excitment for a "steampunk" (uh, ok) book from two great SF writers, but it rivals Hardy Boys #102 for "worst book ever."

    I like Sterling most of the time, and love Gibson (huge plug for _Pattern Recognition_), but that book was just f'in horribly long and dichotically written. It's pretty much _Quicksilver_ without the action (heh).. ya dig?

    (ObBookPlug for Peter F. Hamilton too.. with a negative for John C Wright to balance it out in the space opera subgenre.)

    1. Re:Do NOT Read The Difference Engine by iawia · · Score: 1

      > (ObBookPlug for Peter F. Hamilton too.. with a
      > negative for John C Wright to balance it out
      > in the space opera subgenre.)

      Unless you're like me and don't like Deus Ex Machina endings.
      Granted, that's only for the 'The Night's Dawn' trilogy. His other stuff is ok.

      But I'm still rather upset by having a reasonably good space opera trilogy unravel after a few thousend pages into a 'Poof, and a wand was waved and everybody lives happily ever after'.

  30. Heavy Weather a good read by Chief+Technovelgist · · Score: 1
    I was about to agree with the comments about his tech being better than his characters, but I remembered Heavy Weather, a novel about a group of storm chasers in the near future. The scientific premise of the book is that all of the extra energy available from global warming won't be delivered with a nice even one degree all around, but will result in monster storms.

    The book was very well-written, and the characters were even more interesting than the tech.

  31. cheeseburger please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As an english major, please serve me a cheeseburger and large fries.

    1. Re:cheeseburger please by spun · · Score: 1

      Oh dear me, smoke a little more crack and a little less weed or somethig Mr. Poor Attempt at Flamebait, your aim is off. You wanted to post a response to the guy I was posting a response to. He's the English Major, not me.

      I'm a Compuer Science major, so I have more class than that. I work at Sizzler. You want shrimp with that steak?

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  32. "Sterling fugue" by maysonl · · Score: 1

    Has anybody submitted that phrase to the OED yet?

  33. Bogus review, grotesquely overrated author by megatrope · · Score: 2, Funny
    The undeserved adulation of Bruce Sterling exemplifies what has gone so terribly wrong with the publishing industry over the past 20 years.

    Let's start with the tag line in Stross' review: "Bruce Sterling has been writing on the cutting edge of SF for close to thirty years now."

    Wrong.

    Tragically, Bruce Sterling's latest novel sags like a falsie on an aging Las Vegas chorus girl. Still scribbled in the same antique cyberpunk vein he pounded out 30 years ago, Sterling's prose has gotten so cobwebbed you have to blow the dust off before you can read it.

    Just as Distractions offered a mediocre rewrite of 1949's All the King's Men by Robert Penn Warren with superfluous cyberpunk elements thrown in, The Zenith Angle offers a fifth-rate rewrite of 1994's The Great Hacker Crackdown with unnecessary 9/11 cyberspookery tossed on...in the manner of croutons dumped on a wilting salad.

    Even sadder? How far Cory Doctorow has gotten by french-kissing Sterling's bunghole. Doctorow types creatively enough, but Doctorow's own efforts ("0wnz0red") recap the already tired territory of 80s cyberpunk with a sixth-rate rehash of Greg Benford's "Blood Music" (a vastly superior story). Yet Doctorow's stunningly mediocre story made it to the Nebula Awards finals...a brutal indictment of the current bankrupt state of science fiction.

    Bruce Sterling excels, all right...but not as a novelist.

    His speciality? The chautauqua. A hallelujah-I-done-found-Jesus William Jennings Bryan old-fashioned rabble-rousing speech. Sterling does great chautauqua. His rip-roaring rodomontade "A Contrarian View Of Open Source" remains by orders of magnitude the best piece of persiflage Sterling ever wrote:

    http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/network/2002/08/ 05/sterling.html

    Unfortunately, Sterling plots books a la Chip Delaney -- he throws 'em up in the air and takes whatever lands as the end. That usually fails badly, as in Distractions, Schismatrix, Islands In the Net and most of Sterling's other botched novel-shaped abortions. (In fairness, Holy Fire actually worked -- a rarity for Sterling's oeuvre.)

    As mentioned, Sterling's short fiction far excels his novels, and his essays and lectures vastly outshine his short fiction.

    Like Sterling, Doctorow writes better essays and puff pieces for the unwise common wisdom than fiction. This week, GPL licenses and open-source-everything. (Everyone genuflect! The answer has arrived! Open source! Never mind asking how musicians or writers or artists will earn a living... Hey, works great for operating systems, so why not try it with everything?) Next week, who knows? Coal tar health elixirs? The magnificent amphicar? How about megadoses of Vitamin C?

    Though he poses as a member of the technorati, Sterling lacks basic technical knowledge of the kind of slashdotters take for granted. And Sterling's appalling misinformation oft catches up with him, as in Doctorow's aforementioned transcript of Sterling's SXSW talk.

    Viz.: Sterling calls doubts about global warming "Lysenkoism," a claim which squarely contradicts the facts. Compare this article from the Christian Science Monitor on global warming:

    http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0318/p13s01-sten.h tml

    I despise Dubya more than Doctorow or Sterling put together, but the evidence just fails to support sweeping claims of the kind Sterling makes -- especially his absurd charge of Lysenkosim.

    Bottom line: climatologists have no real idea why the Little Ice Age occurred, and the current warming trend appears to have begun circa 4000 BCE... Which makes it hard to blame on CFCs.

    I digress, but with purpose: Bruce Sterling slings around this kind of rampant misinformation willy-nilly, and his credibility suffers for it. A "cutting edge" cyberpunk would check his facts. Try google, B

    1. Re:Bogus review, grotesquely overrated author by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1
      Bottom line: climatologists have no real idea why the Little Ice Age occurred, and the current warming trend appears to have begun circa 4000 BCE... Which makes it hard to blame on CFCs.
      Can't tell your global warming from your ozone hole?

      (Yes, I know that CFC's are greenhouse gasses too).

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    2. Re:Bogus review, grotesquely overrated author by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My goodness, look at that. I do believe it's the troll who's been trying to harass both me and John Scalzi. If he doesn't knock it off, I'll post his real name here and in my weblog.

      Teresa Nielsen Hayden
      http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight

    3. Re:Bogus review, grotesquely overrated author by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go stick a hot poker up your goatse, you miserable troll. Cory Doctorow and Bruce Sterling both rule; each posess more talent and insight than you could ever hope to.

    4. Re:Bogus review, grotesquely overrated author by Jerry+Kindall · · Score: 1

      That's Greg Bear who wrote Blood Music. And there's no "s" at the end of the title of Distraction.

      Furthermore, I've never met her, but I'm sure Teresa Nielsen Hayden's thuggery is quite competent.

    5. Re:Bogus review, grotesquely overrated author by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do you hate America?

    6. Re:Bogus review, grotesquely overrated author by st.+augustine · · Score: 1
      My goodness, look at that. I do believe it's the troll who's been trying to harass both me and John Scalzi. If he doesn't knock it off, I'll post his real name here and in my weblog.
      Post it! Post it!
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  34. Re:If it's anything like Sterling's, 'Distraction' by moscow · · Score: 1

    Or, possibly, brilliant. I really enjoyed 'Distraction', which, like much of Sterling's recent work, is "about" hacking the social fabric - as the /. review of Zeitgeist says. Sterling wants us to think about the world and think about how _we_ can change it.

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  35. Mod parent up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As the headline says...

    Secondly, The Difference Engine, according to co-author William Gibson, feels like it is written by neither him nor Sterling but rather some third person, and is the only story he has gone back to an reread.

    Thus The Difference Engine is the least suitable book to judge either of them by.

  36. What about Cardigan and Egan? by Sparkitus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It always amazes me how people go on and on about the "mainstream" authors (presumably applying "what's-good-for-the-masses-is-good-for-me" logic). Now I'm not trying to dis Sterling's work - mainly because I don't recall having read any of it. What I am aiming at though are the Gibson followers. I've read Mona Lisa Overdrive and Johnny Mneumonic (which was much better than the film) and didn't find that they made any sizeable dent on my mental landscape. All of the stuff I've read that was written by Greg Egan however, left virtual craters in my mind. How often is it that you get an (Australian) sci-fi author who is also a hard core computer programmer, is into philosophy, mathematics, chemistry and biology and writes beginner's guides to quantum mechanics just for kicks? Google his home page to download some stupendously inspiring short stories. As far as Pat Cardigan is concerned, her two books called "Fools" and "Sinners" make The Matrix look like a childs game and leave you spinning after the last page. Unfortuantely both of them seem to be out of print and the only current stuff you'll find written by her is a guide to the Lost in Space movie.

    1. Re:What about Cardigan and Egan? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are interested by this last post you should be aware that the woman's name is Pat Cadigan, not Cardigan, who wrote Synners, not Sinners.