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New DVD Burners To Double Capacity
clester writes "CNN reports that new dual-layer DVD-burning drives will be released very soon by Philips and Sony that will double the capacity of DVD drives, making a complete copy of your dual-layer DVDs theoretically possible. It will use dual layer technology that will hold up to 8.5GB, and will cost around $230 for an internal and $330 for external, burning all 8.5GB in approximately 45 minutes."
This is a very low price for the technology to be released at. At those prices, we'll probably see a large number of early adopters. It makes me wonder what we'll see it for next year.
Considering I spent $250 on an external USB2 DVD+R/RW drive just last year, I can already regret my purchase.
But will the new dual layer DVD's be compatible with set-top boxes or legacy DVD ROM drives???
Now I can finally back up my porno collection to 10 easy-to-find dvds...*phew*
double sided dual layed dvd's... possible ?
That's cool that dual-layer DVD burners are coming out, but I have concerns about the reliability of dual-layered dvd(+|-)r media.
Would adding an extra data layer be much more complex than just having a single layer? I haven't been happy with some of the reliability of some of the single layer DVD-R media I've bought.
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So the 'dd' command is illegal now?
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Blue lasers are really what's letting this technology take off! Here is some backgroudn info from this snippet off USA Today:
Most lasers use red or infrared. Blue lasers exploit the benefits of blue light, which has a smaller wavelength. Consequently, blue lasers can get into much tighter spaces than other lasers, and do jobs others can't, or at least do them a lot better and faster.
Blue lasers are only now starting to fledge from some of the world's leading commercial R&D labs, with several major American and Japanese electronics companies reporting plans to use them in the next year or so in some of their consumer products and specialized professional devices.
Blue lasers are able to do this because of their wavelength - the distance between the peaks of two successive waves - which is one of the most important qualities in defining a laser.
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But where's Blue Light?
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Hopefully I'm joking, but don't be surprised if they don't file a suit to block sales of the devices in the US.
Now that you could copy an entire 'real' DVD at once.. with no compression, they might start to panic. Since they obviously buy into the ' pirates are eating us alive syndrome'
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I don't have usb 2.0 or firewire. will this come with a serial adapter?
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This is what I've been waiting for.
Actually, now I have to wait until all the compatibility issues are figured out, THEN I'll finally get a DVD burner.
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Also, press release from Philips and press release from Sony with even better pictures.
maybe for a day - i'm sure Final Fantasy XIV will be a volume of ten dual-layered double-sided holographic cubes. or is that longhorn/office/(insert any MS product name here)?
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DVDXCopy was presumably one of the biggest consumer application for these DVD recorders. People made backups of their existing DVD collection using that software, and why shouldn't they ?
But 321Studios was found guilty of violating the DMCA, and today we have the hardware to make copies legally available, getting cheaper & faster, while the software remains illegal.
I guess you should be able to create bootable DVD's for the XBOX with those burners. Anybody wants to try a Linux DVD image?
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Another one bites the dust
According to the CNN article (which is the nutritional equivilent of sugary cereal), Sony's format is "DVD-R DL". Does this mean:
A) it's the -R (as we've all come to know -R) equivilent of dual layer technology? What happened to Pioneer's -R DL effort? Does this moot it, add to it, or surpass it? Will Pioneer ALSO release a -R DL format?
B) Or is this just a marketing name used by Sony for what is in fact the same DL technology used by the +R group, and the discs/drives will be basically interchangeable among the Sony/Philips standard?
C) Will the -R DL discs be readable in set tops or computer drives that cannot read +R/RW media but can read existing dual-layer media?
$5 per disc smells kind of expensive. I'm impressed enough with the job done by DVDShrink that I don't know if a direct copy of a DVD-9 means much at this point. It WOULD motivate me to replace my Panasonic E80 set-top DVD recorder if SP mode would now mean 4.16 hours of recording, or XP at 2.16 hours, or, if I'm willing to tolerate it, *16* hours at EP mode.
When I attempt to get a DVD writer it's just a mess with all the RW + - x # +_.
The capacity upgrade is expected overtime, but the format it feels like it's pending for changes year after year. And whatever happened to SCSI devices. 95% of the drives are IDE and it eats up your processor.
cp? What if the bits move from some medium into volatile memory? Something one might do in order to process and render them?
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What if I take the bits on some kind of "bus"? What if... what if... ah the hell with it. I'm going to Moe's.
I say that because I had always been told that dual layer DVD's were "sandwiched" together after each layer had been burned separately. This obviously means a single disc burned all at once with dual layers. So what's the deal?
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Apparently the issue is that to be read as a DVD-ROM the top abd bottom layers have to have exactly the same amount of content other wise the player will misread it. This is not a huge problem when the size of the content is known before the burn starts, but presents problems for dynamically created media like video recording from a camera or streaming source (like a TV signal).
If the size is not known before writing then the burner must write the second layer out with dummy data before finalization, potentially doubling the burn time. In the case of a video camera it would be unacceptable to make the user wait an hour after filming before he could change or view the DVD.
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They will be marketed only for Windows PCs, but the external one should work on Macintosh computers with the proper third-party software. correct me if i'm wrong, but aren't ide devices pretty platform independent? why wouldn't an ide device for win32 work in ppc? and, (what i actually care about) are they going to work in some sort of proprietary bs that will prevent me from using it in linux?
So now we can look forward to boxes and ad flyers with specs like "8XDVD+/-R DL 8XDVD+/-R 4XDVD+/-RW 16XDVD-ROM 48XCD+/-R 8XCD+/-RW 48XCD-ROM"?
I mean, I know what that all means, but it still makes my eyeballs want to scurry behind my ears and hide.
does anyone know of an effective DVD burner that runs under Linux
.iso under Linux so long as you use this software.
All the burners I've tried work fine for
Blue lasers have nothing to do with dual-layer DVD burning. DVDs are based on red lasers, period.
How about k3b?
It burns DVDs and CD-R/RW and has evolved quite a bit since the last time I used it, no weird configurations or root privileges required
in mandrake type as root: urpmi k3b
Last I checked 2 * 4.7 GB was 9.4 GB, not 8.5 GB.
Are they holding back 0.9 GB to preserve a threshold against piracy?
(Note: units for DVD capacity are metric.)
As opposed to what? British Units?
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Does anyone know what DVD burning support is like for linux?
Better than Windows (well, at least in my opinion). And by that I mean you don't need to purchase any tools to make DVDs.
You can burn DVDs, make menus, etc., all with open source tools. It may not be as `simple' as point-and-click Windows tools, but at least you know exactly what's happening at every step, and how each little bits work.
Best of all, you can do everything via the command line (except possibly for creating menus---you can use GIMP for that).
There are a bunch of tutorials online about how to do pretty much everything.
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In 20 years this won't seem like enough memory. We'll hardly be able to fit a single small sized Micro$oft Super Duper Word (or whatever they'll think of to call it by then...) file on one.
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Still the same old problem - not enough to back up a 400 Gb drive, and how reliable are these new DVDs for long term storage??
Tbe new DVD may offer more capacity for redundancy though - you can write multiple copies of a large folder to the same disk with a lot of space left over so any degradation is unlikely to blow away all your data at once.
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Why would Apple switch away from Pioneer, who has already demonstrated that their current drives can do dual-layer burning, with only an updated firmware. (translated link to actual article is here)
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Well, certainly movie DVDs are that way - I'd imagine they'll get around to the double-sided burnable variety soon enough, but having to turn over a disc to use the other side went out of favour back in the old days of 5.25" floppies.
I've had a fantastic idea; maybe it's already possible to use both sides of writable CDs and DVDs in the same way that you could do it with 5.25" floppies- you cut a great big notch at the edge.
I definitely think that you should try this excellent tip on your collection of "backed up" movies and MP3s this instant (*).
(*) The MPAA paid me to say that.
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Better than Windows (well, at least in my opinion). And by that I mean you don't need to purchase any tools to make DVDs.
You can burn DVDs, make menus, etc., all with open source tools.
That's not an advantage of Linux - you can do the same thing on Windows, with the same tools.
A single data-point does not an argument make. Hi-Speed USB 2.0 does have a higher raw transfer rate than FireWire 400, but USB in general has worse latency, and higher CPU utilization, than FireWire.
I'm skeptical of the source of this data, also... since it's CNet. I wonder what testing methodology they used? (It's possible the "statistics" about transfer rates may have been influenced by anti-Apple sentiments festering at CNet.)
it's the effort required of the CPU that matters
I have a external harddrive that can connect via USB 2.0 or firewire, and a DVD external with the same options... on usb2.0 heavy read/write traffic puts a 4-10% (once 16%) processor load on my 2.53 p4, firewire puts maybe 1% load....
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No. Both pressed and recordable dual layer discs are 8.5GB. The reason being is that the track pitch had to be reduced for the inner track because the laser doesn't have as easy of a time focusing through the upper layer when it reads the bottom layer. All single layered DVDs, pressed or +-R, are actually 4.38GB, and all dual layered DVDs, pressed or +-R, are 7.9GBs.
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THE NERD IS THE COMPUTER.
At the quoted speeds, it would take over 10 hours of non-stop burning to back up a 120G of data.
You could do selective backups with this device, but not actual servers. I seriously doubt the drive would last very long even if it was only expected to do a weekend image with weekday deltas.
It sounds great for backing up large data files that don't change very often, but I don't deal with many of those. People keep wanting to change the database, website, and developer tree files all the time for some reason.
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Anyhow, does anyone have any idea how these actually WORK and how an original DVD itself works?
When the layer changes on say my retail copy of fight club and the movie pauses is the laser at the edge or the inner part of the disc?
Will these burnt dual layers do the same thing?
Can we control where the layer change will be (I can imagine some movies a layer change at the wrong point would be devestating, plus money shots of course....
Also I continue to hear bloody conflicting reports that these discs are slightly smaller than retail pressed dual layers?!!? - what's the deal
9.4gb vs 8.5gb (and yes, I do know about 1024 vs 1000)
Anyone here a bit of a DVD junkie and care to answer? (please!)
DVD+R9 (The dual layer plus spec, I have no idea about minus, we're doing the same as we did with single layer minus and burying our collective corporate heads in the sand) requires MUCH tighter tolerances.
Reading shouldn't be an issue - a DVD+R (if you close the session) is supposed to be identical to a DVDROM. Of course 'supposed' is always the problem.
Anyway. Yes, you need a more responsive die and a lot less wobbly disc. We are having a really hard time finding discs that give reliable results burning right to the outside edge.
It's really nifty, but I can't in all conscience advise buying them until someone starts producing decent quantities of media.
Something similar applies for 12x and 16x writing, by the way - the media needs to be that much better. But several suppliers are making 8x media with 16x tolerances already (and will probably start branding it as such soon)
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