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iChat AV 2.1, iPhoto 4.0.1 Released

Milanek writes "Apple has released final version of iChat AV 2.1. It's available on Apple's iChat site or via Software Update. It adds support for video conferencing with the new AOL Instant Messenger 5.5 for Microsoft Windows." Also available this week is an update to iPhoto, to version 4.0.1. Apple says it has performance, stability, and organization enhancements, including faster importing, smoother image viewing, easier Rendezvous sharing, and improved thumbnails.

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  1. Ahem by daeley · · Score: 4, Funny

    Apple says it has performance, stability, and organization ehancements

    Not to be a spelling nazi, but that should be eHancements. ;)

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    1. Re:Ahem by lullabud · · Score: 5, Funny

      For the educational users, yes, but for the average users they're iMprovements.

    2. Re:Ahem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How come everybody here spells like shit?

      How could you possibly afford a Mac without an education?

    3. Re:Ahem by valkraider · · Score: 1

      iNtellegent people come with "Sense of Humor Pro" right out of the box, so usually eDucation is iRrelevent in this context.

  2. Improve the Finder's Previews too? by Blinkslowly · · Score: 1

    I sure would like faster image prview in the Finder.

    1. Re:Improve the Finder's Previews too? by p4ul13 · · Score: 1

      Agreed. An improved icon preview would be great. I never really liked to use iPhoto much because I simply prefered to keep things simple and organize my own photos in folders named by date/event whenever I download them from my camera without an application to get in my way. If we could speed up the loading of all those icons, this would be all the more nicer for (retentive)folks such as myself.

      I'll likely get flamed to holy hell for saying so, but I always liked the "Filmstrip" view of picture folders under XP. Preview is OK, but a bit cumbersome as it isn't integrated into the folder view itself. (Select All -> Open in Preview)

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  3. Small but very nice updates by pafmax · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've ran them both, iPhoto is indeed a little bit faster and it renders the thumbnails in a different way. But... it took me about 15 min. to update my 2000+ photo lib!!
    As for iChat, it seems like the beta version, but final. I can't wait to try the video tomorrow with a friend... She coulden't make it work the last time with aim 5.5 beta, so I gess I'll have to go to her house and do the aim config myself :-) It would be great to have a good PC-Mac compatible video chat...
    Now, if only MSN Messenger for mac would be *close* to the PC version I would not have to try to convince 99% of my friends to change to AIM in order to get vid...
    BTW, I must thank the people of the aMSN sf.net project, for giving me a reason to continue to use MSN... Keep it up!!! (and pleeeeeeeeeeease, gimme some more use for my iSight, if M$ doesn't! ;-) )

    1. Re:Small but very nice updates by Quobobo · · Score: 4, Funny

      15 minutes to plow through over 2000 photos is pretty good if you ask me.

      As for iChat, it seems like the beta version, but final.

      I don't even need to say anything about this sentence.

    2. Re:Small but very nice updates by platypussrex · · Score: 1

      it took me about 15 min. to update my 2000+ photo lib

      Same here, but it did give the option to do it later, and even while running it gave the option to stop and finish later.

      Haven't had a chance to play with the update much, but I can't really tell any difference in the thumbnails. What is it that other people are seeing?

    3. Re:Small but very nice updates by Trillan · · Score: 1

      I had no problem video chatting between iChat 2.1 Beta and AIM a few nights ago. I suspect there's a firewall to blame. Could the built in XP firewall interfere?

    4. Re:Small but very nice updates by Trillan · · Score: 1

      I think they're about the same speed as with 4.0, but they're of much better quality. The iPhoto 4.0 thumbnails didn't seem to bear a lot of resemblence to the original photo...

    5. Re:Small but very nice updates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so I gess I'll have to go to her house and do the aim config myself :-)

      That smiley face means sex right? I mean come on. Males and females can't just be 'friends', as you described it. Well, whatever happens, SEX ON!

    6. Re:Small but very nice updates by GMHobbit · · Score: 1

      I'm frustrated that Apple have only addressed the photo quantity problem iPhoto 2.0 and earlier has (in that it begins to slug after the first few thousand photos) in a new commercial release. Is it worth paying for 4.0? Will I notice a difference?

  4. Cupertino, we have a problem! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    % softwareupdate -l
    Software Update Tool
    Copyright 2002-2003 Apple Computer, Inc.

    Couldn't register server on this host.


    Gah. This happened on 3 different Macs running 10.3.3. Two clients, one Server. A fourth Mac had no problems, and rebooting fixed one of the three that failed initially (not a good time to reboot the other two, especially the server!).

    Silly me, I thought I a waiting a week was long enough to make sure 10.3.3 had no major problems.

    1. Re:Cupertino, we have a problem! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok, I just went down to sit at the server that was having softwareupdate problems. Running the gui Software Update worked, and after running that, the commandline works too. Funky. They should fix it, though.

      Heh, iChatAV requires a reboot so I'll hold off on that one. I do have Applications Server Update 2.0 (95.6 MB!) and RAID Admin 1.3 waiting too, those are installing as I type! (no reboot required)

    2. Re:Cupertino, we have a problem! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The saga continues...

      This is interesting. The original window back in my office (an xterm displaying remotely from the OS X server to my SGI) still does not work. Same error as original post. I'm inside a screen session, and new screens within that also don't work.

      However if I ssh in for a new login, softwareupdate works. So it really had nothing to do with running the gui version when I was sitting at the machine itself. Moreover, if I create a new xterm from that ssh session, it still works. And if I create a separate screen session, yep, still works. Only if I go back to the original xterm/screen session does it fail.

      I compared the environments between the different sessions. Nothing is different except for SSH variables. ??!?? That's crazy. Apple has one f---ed up bug there. What else could possibly be different between the sessions that one reliably works every time, and the other fails every time?? If the environment's effectively the same, how can the softwareupdate command even tell any difference and fail/succeed based on that?

      Crazy, crazy, crazy. Oh well, at least it works (sometimes).

    3. Re:Cupertino, we have a problem! by Chucker23N · · Score: 0

      Dude.

      There IS no bug. What's most likely happening is that your DNS Server is acting up for some reason, or maybe one of theirs is, although I doubt that.

    4. Re:Cupertino, we have a problem! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhh, no. I can type softwareupdate -l in one window and it consistently fails. Every single time. At the very same time, I can type it in another window ON THE SAME MACHINE and it consistently works. That's a bug. There is NO pertinent difference between the two windows (see comments RE: environment). Furthermore, this happened on multiple machines attached to completely different networks, 40 miles apart (I didn't mention that part originally but didn't think I'd have to in order to drive the point home to you).

      Please read posts before you go replying to them. It'll help you avoid looking like a complete moron.

  5. Ummm... by bfg9000 · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... video conferencing... performance, stability, and organization ehancements, including faster importing, smoother image viewing, easier Rendezvous sharing, and improved thumbnails.

    These things are all good, but wouldn't it be much simpler to accomplish all these performance improvements by releasing THE NEW G5 POWERBOOK!! COME ON, APPLE! I'M DYING HERE!

    Thank you.

    My Visa is ready, since I'm pretty sure Steve Jobs reads Slashdot.

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    1. Re:Ummm... by lpangelrob2 · · Score: 5, Funny
      Good Lord, that'd be wrong. :-) Consider that the internal temperature of my G4 PB 1.33 already reaches 125 degrees under normal conditions, and 128 under CPU-intensive conditions, with current cooling technologies.

      Now consider the effects of 150 - 180 degree temperatures on the male genitalia.

      Nothing says G5 quite like "boiled eggs"...

    2. Re:Ummm... by Squozen · · Score: 5, Informative

      The 90nm G5 produces a fraction more heat than the 1.25Ghz G4. A little bit of extra heatsink/waterpipe magic and the G5 Powerbook will probably run slightly *cooler* than your 17" PB.

    3. Re:Ummm... by mah! · · Score: 1
      Now consider the effects of 150 - 180 degree temperatures on the male genitalia.

      PowerBook G5? Hell yeah!

    4. Re:Ummm... by bfg9000 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Dude, I'm from Canada. The flaming heat of the G5 isn't a bug, it's a feature.

      In fact, it's more than a feature, it's a life-support system for when I'm buried in an Avalanche.

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    5. Re:Ummm... by geoffspear · · Score: 2, Informative
      Now consider the effects of 150 - 180 degree temperatures on the male genitalia.

      Nothing says G5 quite like "boiled eggs"...

      Umm... I hate to tell you this, but the male genitalia does not contain eggs. They're the female reproductive cells.

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    6. Re:Ummm... by anaesthetica · · Score: 1

      yes, a little 'waterpipe' action will make a lot of things seem magic

    7. Re:Ummm... by Quobobo · · Score: 1

      Probably too late to get a reply to this, but is that with both chips at the same clock speed or with a G5 running faster than the G4?

    8. Re:Ummm... by vistic · · Score: 1

      It's sad that this gets modded as informative... people should know better.

  6. For those running OS X Server... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    Also available:

    Applications Server Update 2.0 (95.6 MB)

    The Application Servers Update provides JBoss version 3.2.3 GM, Tomcat version 4.1.29, and WebObjects Deployment 5.2.3. WebObjects Deployment 5.2.3 provides qualification for WebObjects applications running under Java 1.4.2 and improvements to stability and correctness.

    For further information about this update, please see:

    http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107 869 (doc not found - why do they always update docs AFTER the software is released??)

    RAID Admin 1.3 (5.2 MB) (actually available about a week ago?)
    The RAID Admin 1.3 Update improves over all reliability of the RAID Admin software. This update is recommended for all Xserve RAID users.

    Key enhancements include:

    Solves issue where fibre channel link LED goes off even when link is up

    Addresses condition where management coprocessor does not respond to RAID Admin

    Prevents erroneous enclosure events that caused buzzer and email notification

    Corrects situation where disks have a RED status LED after a RAID controller restart

    Battery modules will now be detected by RAID Admin 1.3 on Xserve RAID systems with firmware 1.1-117

    Addresses RAID Admin Java 1.4.2 compatibility issues

  7. And I'd like it to share with Windows! by MarcQuadra · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'd like the thumbnail cache to be cross-platform and open. Why on earth can't someone publish a simple RFC for thumb caches. If bill broses his home folder on Windows, the generated thumbs should work for KDE/GNOME/OSX and whatever else, it's just common sense and it would be an 'everybody wins' sort of thing.

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    1. Re:And I'd like it to share with Windows! by amokk · · Score: 1

      Because some dumb-ass open source developer would then be unsatisfied with the "openness" and "freeness" of the thumbnail cache and then design his own, apparently "superior" one and try to ram that down everyone's throats.

      Kinda like the whole MP3/Ogg Vorbis thing.

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    2. Re:And I'd like it to share with Windows! by MarcQuadra · · Score: 1

      wow, that's so out-of-line with how things really work that it hurts.

      First off: Nobody's 'ramming OGG' down anyone's throats.

      and now to the beefier point:

      If there was an official RFC posted and a standard written there wouldn't be anyone 'unsatisfied with the "openness" and "freeness"' with it because it would be a FREE AND OPEN STANDARD.

      I'm sure KDE, GNOME, Apple, and maybe even MS would be more than happy with a simple standard for little stuff like this. Is it too hard to cache thumbs in a hidden '.thumbsDB' file with a string of filenames, MD5 sums, and PNGs?

      As long as we're on the subject, the same should be done with folder views, if I want my network home folder to appear as a date-ordered decending list shouldn't ALL operating systems pick up on it? Shouldn't there be a small hidden .ViewSettings file with an extensible-but-backwards-compatible format for viewing settings?

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  8. reboot! by gumbi+west · · Score: 2

    Okay, can somebody please explain why an iChat update requires a reboot?

    1. Re:reboot! by sxtxixtxcxh · · Score: 1

      maybe the disk reoptimazation has something to do with it. ... i dont know anything.

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    2. Re:reboot! by ZackSchil · · Score: 4, Informative

      Because it updates the private system instant messaging framework. It's good practice to restart after updating a service that possibly more than one app relies on. I just force quit software update when it was done and everything was fine but it could have caused a crash in Mail.app, Address Book or some other app that accesses the framework.

    3. Re:reboot! by bsartist · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'll explain that right after you explain why you're using iChat on your mission-critical server that needs five-nines availability.

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    4. Re:reboot! by prockcore · · Score: 1

      I'll explain that right after you explain why you're using iChat on your mission-critical server that needs five-nines availability.

      Right, because a reboot isn't an inconvenience or anything. Having to close all running apps, stop what you're doing, and then set everything back up the way you had it.

      My linux box has been up for 211 days, and it's fully up-to-date.

    5. Re:reboot! by bsartist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Right, because a reboot isn't an inconvenience or anything.

      I realize you're being sarcastic - but you're right, it's not. Having to schedule some down time for a 24x7 server that's used by an office (or building) full of people is a pain. But a desktop workstation? Puhleeze. You're the only person on that machine - if you choose an inconvenient time, that's your own damn fault.

      My linux box has been up for 211 days

      So? What do you want, a medal or something?

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    6. Re:reboot! by rbbs · · Score: 1

      If you install it on Panther Server, it doesn't.

    7. Re:reboot! by fyonn · · Score: 1

      do we know if ichatav now supports audio only chat with aim 5.5 yet? I had the beta and with a friend on aim5.5 there was no option for audio conferencing on his icon and his client claimed mine didn't support it. we never got video conf working either but I've heard of other ppl who have (and I don't have a cam, only he did, but when he tried to initiate a one way video conf, I got the message I couldn't connect. I'm sure there are nat and port forward issues on his side that need resolving there but if ichatav2.1 doesn't support audio only tom aim5.5 then it's hardly worth the effort trying to fix them)

      when I seem my friend on aim again I'll try, but I'm wondering if anyone else has had any success here?

      dave

    8. Re:reboot! by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Informative
      My linux box has been up for 211 days, and it's fully up-to-date.

      Right. Fully up-to-date. I can think of at least one Linux kernel vulnerability that's been found in the last 211 days. Unless I missed something, Linux can't upgrade its kernel without a reboot.

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    9. Re:reboot! by gumbi+west · · Score: 1

      "You're the only person on that machine - if you choose an inconvenient time, that's your own damn fault." No, I'm not. It is a multiuser envrionment any my whole family is loged in at once. Everybody has stuff up (web pages they assume will be there when they come back, emails half written).

    10. Re:reboot! by bsartist · · Score: 1

      It is a multiuser envrionment any my whole family is loged in

      If your kids have been playing in the family room and didn't put their toys away, do you complain to Hoover because the vacuum cleaner can't magically navigate around them? Of course not - you hold the kids responsible for not cleaning up their mess.

      What makes you think the family computer is any different? Yes, fast login clears away the onscreen clutter - but everything is still there, eating up RAM, and potentially CPU. Leaving a bunch of crap running and documents open when you're not using them is rude, and your family obviously needs to be taught that.

      If this "forced" reboot means that Johnny lost all the "work" he'd put into getting to level 5 on Doom (dated, I know, but I haven't played an FPS in ages), then maybe that'll teach him not to be so damned lazy. Maybe next time he'll save his game and log out properly when he's done playing. And maybe next time you're crunching the budget in Excel, you'll find it goes quite a bit faster when Doom isn't cycling through its demo mode in the background.

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    11. Re:reboot! by valkraider · · Score: 1

      I second this motion...

  9. AIM video support is nice and all. . . by the+argonaut · · Score: 2, Interesting

    . . . but it would be REALLY nice and infinitely more useful (not to mention probably easier from a programming perspective) if they would add support for little things as editing you AIM profile and transparent buddy icons.

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    1. Re:AIM video support is nice and all. . . by Fortunato_NC · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Support for animated buddy icons would be nice, too. I've got some friends with animated buddy icons where the first frame of the animated gif is blank, and it gets old talking to a blank space after a while. I'd put the running man back, but I'm also extremely lazy...

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    2. Re:AIM video support is nice and all. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If my friend chose an animated icon they wouldnt be my friend

      in fact that should/cou;ld be a benchmark for selecting friends

      only a cunt uses animated gifs in anything ever.

  10. I was thinking the same thing. (n/m) by Delta-9 · · Score: 1

    (n/m)

  11. Needs more functionality, Apple. by Stick_Fig · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I like iChat and all, but I really wish Apple would make more of an effort to enhance the general functionality of the program.

    I like tabs. Tabs are such a great benefit when browsing the web. However, if I want to send instant messages to people, my only really option for tabbed IM conversations is Adium, which while it has benefits, doesn't have nearly all the features of a normal client, and suffers greatly because of it.

    On top of this, I wish that iChat had Konfabulator-type features that would allow the buddy list to be docked on the main window. That's a pretty darn cool (though memory-intensive) feature that Adium has that would really add a lot of appeal to iChat for me. I don't wat to have to leave the window open all the time to find out who's online. It should just stay open in a way that is unobtrusive.

    Apple strives on thinking different? Well, they should think less in the AOL mold of instant messaging, because there's some really cool stuff that some of the other indie IM clients have that I really want to see iChat implement.

    I think AOL and Apple have seriously overestimated the market for video IM. Instant messaging should be free to use in the middle of the day, at night, when people are sleeping (because it makes a GREAT replacement for a phone) and any other time when a phone isn't very helpful to have around. Video offers few of those benefits to everyday life.

    Small little details that make IMing easier, however, offer many.

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    1. Re:Needs more functionality, Apple. by Quobobo · · Score: 1

      I was thinking about this just the other day, actually. Adium's interface is beautiful, and the only thing holding me back from using it full-time is the protocol support.

      I think it would definitely be worth Apple's while to contribute to Adium (and libgaim, which Adium 2 uses as the backend), and rename it as iChat when bundled with the OS. There's honestly almost nothing that compares to Adium as far as interface goes, and I think Apple should really be taking an example from the developers.

    2. Re:Needs more functionality, Apple. by quecojones · · Score: 1

      I just wish that iChat could work with other IM systems besides AIM... like MSN/YIM/ICQ/etc.

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    3. Re:Needs more functionality, Apple. by Hes+Nikke · · Score: 4, Informative

      it DOES work with ICQ (just choose new chat with person and type in an ICQ number) and one you didn't even mention - SMS. (just choose new chat with person and enter +1 and the 10 digit phone number of the phone you want to message)

      both of these are actually supported by AOL, so by extension it works with all AIM clients - iChat included

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    4. Re:Needs more functionality, Apple. by joeblarnystone · · Score: 1

      Like Tabs? Check out Proteus. Currently is has some issues with MSN, but there are fixes for those. It has tabbed IM windows and a host of other features. Proteus: http://www.indigofield.com/

    5. Re:Needs more functionality, Apple. by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 1
      I don't wat to have to leave the window open all the time to find out who's online. It should just stay open in a way that is unobtrusive.

      Just enable the 'Show status in menu bar' checkbox, in the prefs. One-click access to who's online. I never leave the window open. This is better than Adium's method IMHO.

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    6. Re:Needs more functionality, Apple. by quecojones · · Score: 1

      I did not know that. :O That's cool, especially the SMS. Thanks for pointing that out. :)

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    7. Re:Needs more functionality, Apple. by grrrl · · Score: 1

      does this only work if you have an aol account? i tried it with being logged into a .mac account and it tried to find AOL users - and can ICQ users send back to someone not on ICQ??

      (decent) ICQ support (as in using your icq account) would be much more useful - noone here (australia) uses AOL (tho they do use hideous MSN - only because of its default install on XP damn microsoft!)

      what i like about icq is the fact you can leave msgs for people who aren't online - the essence of paging services! (i wont go into icq/messanging as the worse chat medium ever...)

      quite frankly i think ichat is the biggest waste of time ever and has no use to me at all! anyone agree? is this an american thing??

  12. Wireless Mouse and keyboard updates too... by Boccaccio · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...via software update. It downloads two programs to your utilities folder which you have to click on to run. I haven't tried the mouse update out yet as my batteries are low and it won't let you run the update in this situation.

  13. system frameworks by wibs · · Score: 4, Informative

    Okay, can somebody please explain why an iChat update requires a reboot?

    A lot of iChat is within the .app, but there's an entire framework for it (including code and graphics) within the system files. Ppresumably it gives it a bit of a speed boost, but iChat is also tied with a lot of Apple's other apps (while reading an email in Mail, for example, you can see if the person who sent it to you is online without actually looking at iChat).

    Whatever. It's still not as good (or pretty!) as the nightly builds of Adium.

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  14. application locations inconsistency by BobWeiner · · Score: 3, Interesting

    For iPhoto, you have to keep the iPhoto app in the Applications folder for the Software Update to find the app and install the updater. (I had mine in a nested folder called 'Photo apps' under my Applications folder, and the Software Update 'could not find iPhoto.' Yet, for iChat 2.1, which was also nested in a subfolder under my 'Applications' folder, 'Software Update' was able to find the old version and make the update without nary a hitch. Could someone explain the inconsistency as far as why certain apps MUST be in specific places yet others don't...?

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    1. Re:application locations inconsistency by fr0dicus · · Score: 1

      Just get Launchbar and stop organising your software in ways that the developer can't guess at.

    2. Re:application locations inconsistency by BobWeiner · · Score: 1

      Well, I do have Launchbar, but i still prefer to keep my files and apps organized by their specific function...

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    3. Re:application locations inconsistency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      retard... leave the apps where god intended them.

    4. Re:application locations inconsistency by ObiWanKenblowme · · Score: 1

      Despite delusions to the contrary, developers aren't gods. First of all, gods bathe regularly and don't generally have stains on their t-shirts. Secondly, this is one of the few complaints about OS X that I've actually agreed with. It was a great feature of OS 9 to be able to run an app from any folder on the drive. I haven't reorganized my apps in OS X since that's not the "right" way to do things now, but it would be nice if I could.

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  15. Dummy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're on a UNIX machine. Don't be a retard. Keep the applications and folders on the hard drive where programs put them. Next you're gonna complain that nesting /Library/Perl broke your CGI scripts . . .

  16. video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You haven't tried the video, have you...

    I think you'd change your mind if you had. Having said that, I wish they'd include Jabber support - it'd be easy to add it, and it'd be nice for them to support the official messaging standard.

    That and store their damn chat logs in XML for other applications to access instead of a binary dump.

    1. Re:video by LordBodak · · Score: 1
      Yes! iChat and the official Yahoo client (which I try not to run but it's the only Yahoo client that supports cameras) both do this, and it's annoying!

      Fire and the official AIM client use HTML... much better.

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  17. Re:For those who have wireless keyboard and mice by stoney27 · · Score: 1

    There is a firmware update as well. 1.1.

    Improves Apple Wireless Keyboard and Mouse performance and reliability.

    -S

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  18. Agreed. by Trillan · · Score: 1

    If you're having problems getting a route to the Software Update server, it's (obviously!) a connectivity issue.

    As for iChat requiring a restart, I was surprised by that. But then I noticed I had the menuling open still. Perhaps if you close everything, it might not require a restart? Not sure. I went ahead and restarted anyway, since it was just a Powerbook and it had been a while since I'd restarted anyway.

    1. Re:Agreed. by Chucker23N · · Score: 1

      iChat doesn't litereally *require* a restart. It's just recommended. You can skip it by force quitting SoftwareUpdate. Things *might* go wrong but they probably will *not*.

      The reason Apple recommends a restart is that the private "InstantMessaging" framework - the backend of iChat, which Mail.app and others use as well - gets updated, and it can obviously cause instabilities to do so while the apps continue to run. Just like your OS *might* crash if stuff close to the kernel gets replaced ;-)

  19. Re:Single window option by Johnny+Mozzarella · · Score: 1

    A single window option would be nice. Buddies on the left, chat area on the right with tabbed interface.

    It would also be nice if iChat automatically put the icon of a cell phone next to the name of anyone who has a mobile phone number in the address book. Click on the button and shoot them an SMS.

  20. Re:Disagreed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you're having problems getting a route to the Software Update server, it's (obviously!) a connectivity issue.

    Read again, please. :) The error was Couldn't register server on this host. Nothing about couldn't CONNECT to server at Apple. My guess is the softwareupdate tries to register some sort of service (probably through CoreServices) on the local host in order to complete the whole operation. The bug was that for some unexplained reason, one shell session always failed, unable to 'register' this server (service). At the same time, another shell, no real environment differences, did it just fine.

    Let me repeat: THERE IS NO CONNECTIVITY ISSUE HERE. It's a bug with how softwareupdate interacts with its associated services/server/whatever you want to call it. I wish I knew more about the internal process so I could investigate further and provide a useful bug report to Apple.

    Sorry. It just bugs me when people write me off as some idiot who can't even tell when a problem is his own fault. Trust me, I help people with stuff like that all the time, and this isn't one of those situations.

    In every case, the failing shell was running inside a screen(1) session, so I wonder if there's some weird interaction there. Only thing to shoot that down is that it worked when running from a separate, simultaneous screen session! Like I said initially, GAH! :)

    I'm just happy it wasn't a major bug and was easily worked around.

  21. Re:Disagreed. by Chucker23N · · Score: 1

    "It's a bug with how softwareupdate interacts with its associated services/server/whatever you want to call it. I wish I knew more about the internal process so I could investigate further and provide a useful bug report to Apple."

    It's loading XML documents through HTTP. The whole process is documented: http://www.cunap.com/~hardingr/projects/osx/exploi t.html

    I never heard of anyone having a problem like that, and SoftwareUpdate has been in use since when it was introduced with Mac OS 9 - back in fall 1999.

    You should post your problem at Apple's discussion boards and see if someone is aware of the problem. Or you could use some combination of curl and tcpdump or whatever to manually see what's going on.

  22. Only iLife's iPhoto is updated by HSpirit · · Score: 1

    Don't know if anyone else got caught by this, but note that only iPhoto 4.0 - which can only be obtained in Apple's iLife bundle - is subject to the update

    The latest version of iPhoto that comes free with MacOS X (even 10.3 a.k.a. Panther) is version 2.0. The update installer refuses to install the update if you have this version, and forcing the update using something like Pacifist makes iPhoto unworkable.