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Infinium Labs Countersues HardOCP

loftydog writes "Gamespot is reporting that our favorite console manufacturer has thrown down a gauntlet in Florida. Seems they didn't want to play in Texas with HardOCP. Turns out that SCO doesn't have a corner on the lawyer market after all, and we'll see something from Infinium, even if it is an overpaid suit."

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  1. May backfire? by grub · · Score: 5, Interesting


    I'd love to see the judge say "OK, Infinium.. Let's see your console that HardOCP has been blasting." It may be another SCOish "We'd love to but it's our proprietary product!"

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    1. Re:May backfire? by Amiga+Lover · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This makes me realise it's a little bit WORSE than SCO.

      At least, at one point in time, SCO had a product.

      Now a vaporware company is suing the people who haven't reviewed their non products.

      (They had to step up from suing their own customers like SCO because, hey, being vaporware they HAVE no customers)

  2. Read the brief, and damn is Infinium sad. by mwarps · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I just read the motion to dismiss and supporting brief relating to the Texas suit. Infinium is not going to have much of a fun time in this suit. Their counsel are incompetent. I've yet to read anything prepared by [H]'s lawyers, but it's got to be better than the inane dribble that Infinium has sent to the Tx District Court. Misspellings, wrong words, never mind the fact that they're plainly disrespectful in some places, and oh, flat out wrong in some, too.

    Motion to dismiss:
    here

    1. Re:Read the brief, and damn is Infinium sad. by tsanth · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually, it seems to call to bear something in Texas's law about not infringing upon "fair play"; that is, that Infinium has done nothing in Texas, as as such, shouldn't be held sway under Texan law. The several precedents that Infinium's lawyers have seem to fit the case, but it feels like KB made the declaration because of Infinium's actions, not, as the brief implied (and somewhat stated), out of malicious intent.

      IANAL, of course, but I wonder about the section about "minimum contact" with the state of Texas. It seems to me that mudslinging across the internet and bringing attention to the whole thing constitutes as some form of contact... but perhaps a real lawyer can inform me differently.

  3. Interesting Site by The-Dalai-LLama · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Their website is gorgeous. Takes forever to load, but the eye-candy is sweet.

    I'm not a cool-guy web designer, but they list a "Pentium III" as a site requirement. I can't recall seeing another site that listed a processing requirement. Is that legit?

    Also interesting to note that, according to the Phantom.net branch of their site,

    "On March 31st, 2004 you will be able to build your high-octane Phantom Game System and for a limited time only purchase lifetime subscriptions." [emphasis added by me]

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    constantly amazed at just how far people will go to get press...wait a minute, nobody visits my site, either. If you're reading this sig, expect to be contacted by my legal team.

  4. Re:Hhmmm by tomstdenis · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Can't be libel if it's true. ;-)

    As I understand it they pointed out who the owner of the console firm was [e.g. his past] which was fairly accurate based on the fact that all the people they contacted didn't want to admit the truth... [e.g. some degree of freedom].

    It's also true that while getting investment for yet another business they have yet to actually produce a unit. [Recall: the dudes previous business ventures were flops too].

    So if anything the original article may have had some inaccuracies but the overall picture is right. e.g. this dude is a V.C. scammer looking for the next big dig.

    Tom

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  5. Re:Funny... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Depends upon what you're trying to sell. IF that is extremely realistic high end graphics in a sealed-up console that you aren't allowed to mod in any way because of some stupidass DMCA violation, that's one thing. If, on the other hand, you are trying to appeal to the hacker mentality (not the criminal sort, but the kind that likes to take something apart and put it back together in ways the builders never imagined) then Infinium's product is marketable. I would certainly consider buying such a product just for the potential to play and experiment. As someone who did game development back in the mid 80's I would get a real kick out of an "open" console. Unfortunately, I don't see Infinium Labs as being the ones to provide it. There's definitely something wrong with that company. At this point I wouldn't buy from them even if they did have a product (any product) because I don't willingly support lawsuit-happy incompetents.

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  6. Truth is a Defense to Libel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    In the USA, truth is a defense to libel. There is no tort if your printed stories are factually accurate.

    In the UK, truth is no defense, you can still be sued if you print something that damages another person or company's else's reputation.

    1. Re:Truth is a Defense to Libel by The+Only+Druid · · Score: 4, Interesting
      In the USA, truth is a defense to libel. There is no tort if your printed stories are factually accurate. In the UK, truth is no defense, you can still be sued if you print something that damages another person or company's else's reputation.

      Several points: 1) This suit is exclusively concerned with American law, since it involves two American companies and their actions in the American economic sphere; 2) my understanding (which is admittedly not perfect, since I'm not a barrister/solicitor in british law) of the UK system is that truth is no defense if your presentation of the information is malicious. In other words, in the UK you can print/distribute destructive information if it is intended as reporting, whereas you would be exposed to libel if you did so as a non-reporting entity with the intent to harm.
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  7. Boy, the material just writes itself by superultra · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Stuff like this is why gamers need a Daily Show, but for games. Or like Old Man Murray, but updated.

  8. Re:New legislation required by ppanon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As we've seen in the past, the executives of those companies just set up shop at a different company and start a new set of lawsuits. However, if there is a corporate death penalty, perhaps it might be harder for those executives to be hired by the BoD of a new company, given the results of their previous actions. That wouldn't be a bad thing.

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  9. Re:More links by Anthony+Boyd · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Infinium Labs has retained the following legal council in Texas. This is public information from the court docket.

    My advice: don't write to them. Don't tell them they suck. Looking at their documents so far, they don't really care about the case and are doing it half-assed. Don't stir them up, don't make them think there will be media attention, don't do anything. Let the Infinium lawyers continue to behave as if this doesn't matter. They are their own worst enemy, and will lose if we let them.

  10. Re:Libel in UK: You're full of shit by BobTheLawyer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    your post is technically correct, but the way the burden of proof works in English defamation law makes the parent broadly right.

    The fact that you don't need to *prove* a statement is untrue to launch an English law libel action makes life much easier for the plaintiff. The fact the defendant has to prove true all of has allegations makes life much more difficult, and expensive for him.

    This reversal of the burden of proof is why dictators, corrupt businessmen and general slimeballs from all over the world flock to our courts to start libel actions. Our legal system is generally much more sensible that America's, but defamation is a huge exception.

  11. Looking for an alternative console by cgenman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...that isn't run by a bunch of jacka$$#$? Try the X Game Station. It's sufficiently obscure that it makes people think you're elite, and it's sufficiently vaporware that it will be a while before that's proven wrong.

    JK. Actually, the developers post on their forums all of the time, and seem like normal nice guys not prone to knee-jerk reactions and faked photographs. It's also not really vaporware, as they have released an SDK and other things... it's just a bit late. (Money... Burning... Hole...) It's also a little underpowered as far as primary gaming machines go, but that's not what you buy an alternative console for anyway.

    There are good alternative console developers out there. Even if the Phantom people are evil and the DIScovER people are ruthless jerks, some people are doing good things in the world of consoles.

  12. Slightly offtopic... by Thedalek · · Score: 2, Interesting

    We've heard an awful lot about the HardOCP/Phantom litigation, but there seems to be another story lurking. I direct your attention to the following section of Infinium Labs' now overly-linked-to 8-K financial form:

    NOTE D - CONVERTIBLE PROMISSORY NOTE

    At October 31, 2003, Infinium was involved in a legal dispute with a competitor. In January 2004 the Company, in conjunction with the settlement of litigation, issued a convertible promissory note in the amount of $100,000. The promissory note is non-interest bearing and must be paid or converted into common shares if Infinium has an anticipated merger with a corporation that has common stock trading on the over-the-counter or similar exchange within 241 days from the date of the note, or the liquidated damages total $150,000.


    Now this makes less sense to me than most lawyerspeak. Could someone walk me through it?

    The other interesting thing is that Infinium names at least one developer: Riverdeep, owner of Broderbund (that's how it's spelled on the site, folks. I know there's supposed to be an "o" in there, but they've changed).

    It would be interesting to see if Riverdeep actually acknowledges such an agreement...

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