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Simputer Available?

Anonymous Coward writes "The Simputer (marketed by PicoPeta, the inventors and manufactured by the Defence Electronics PSU - BEL) has a website now and is available for sale (including outside India). Some pics can be found at the picture gallery. This story has been discussed a few times before here at /. here, here and here. Of particular note are some of the features, notably the device goes beyond the typical handheld/PDA and has some brand new innovations. For instance, it uses accelerometers to sense motion and this is used to give commands to the computer (for instance, to zoom a picture, you just have to move the Simputer towards you and to turn a page, you flick it like you would turn a page for a book. Also has an integrated smart card reader plus writer, very useful for several business applications."

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  1. I hear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Simputer is planning to outsource the tech support to America because it's cheaper. I bet people in India won't be happy about that.

    1. Re:I hear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Bharti in IT outsourcing deal with IBM
      http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/business /inte rnational/8287792.htm

      International Business Machines, the US computing and information technology services group, yesterday won a 10-year outsourcing contract worth up to $750m -- from an Indian company.

      So, Is it time for Indians to start shouting "STOP US companies from stealing Indian jobs"???

      Grow up!!

    2. Re:I hear by DAldredge · · Score: 2, Interesting

      About 200 Bharti computer engineers will be transferred to IBM's Indian unit. However, some of the work will be transfered to the US and elsewhere.

      Most of that work will still be done in India.

  2. Over-correction by bigattichouse · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Although I don't have the problem yet, many old folks have problems focusing at certain distances.. this causes them to move paper or a PDA back and forth.. which would zoom/shrink. They aren't necessarily zooming, so much as finding a focal point... this might lead to some serious over-correction as you try and find a usable size and focal point. hope you can turn it off.

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    1. Re:Over-correction by Monkelectric · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I was thinking the same thing, but I also had another concern ...how much did it cost to implement that feature? I have done some robot building in my day and pretty crappy accelerometer costs 25 - 40$.

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    2. Re:Over-correction by JPriest · · Score: 4, Funny
      Fsck the PDA, I like the teenager in the first pic.

      Amida: "I know this is a bad neighborhood and you are not wearing much, but we need you to pretent like you are using the product and you would do this in your free time."

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    3. Re:Over-correction by SEWilco · · Score: 3, Funny
      "...accelerometer costs 25 - 40$."

      Ah, but they don't have to pay to import it from India.

    4. Re:Over-correction by Curtman · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think that gallery would be a hell of a lot more useful if it showed pictures of the device itself rather than grandpa in his pyjama's. Why not show what's happening on the screen instead of models posing with the thing in their hand?

    5. Re:Over-correction by H3g3m0n · · Score: 3, Funny

      Actually its a free feature. When you bring the PDA closer to you it gets larger and the further away it gets smaller it becomes.

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  3. Vehicles by gid13 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Accelerometers sense motion to zoom, eh?

    They had BETTER have an option to turn that off, or else it sure would make using it on a bus interesting.

    1. Re:Vehicles by Timmeh · · Score: 2, Funny

      I understand you're trolling, but that's a funny thing you've got going on there, being able to reach a constant speed from a dead stop without accelerating.

  4. I'm sceptical about... by rokzy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    accelerometers. seems like an over-engineered solution to trivial problems, and it's easy to imagine it being more annoying than useful e.g. when looking something up while walking.

    look at the modern mobile phones e.g. Sony Ericsson P900 5-way jog-wheel, that's an excellent example of innovation - very simple and very effective.

    1. Re:I'm sceptical about... by Timesprout · · Score: 4, Funny

      The accelerometers are not intended for the user. They are for the benifit of the Simputer so it realises when it has been dropped or flung in the direction of a wall by an irate user and has time to say its prayers

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    2. Re:I'm sceptical about... by Ignominious+Cow+Herd · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's not for Zooming. Its the first Digital Etch-A-Sketch!

      Just shake it to erase.

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  5. /.ed by amigoro · · Score: 3, Informative
    Original site has no cache: However, here is the A google cache of simputer.com

    Moderate this comment
    Negative: Offtopic Flamebait Troll Redundant
    Positive: Insightful Interesting Informative Funny

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  6. For those of us who don't know what a simputer is by GillBates0 · · Score: 3, Informative
    My guess is that it stands for SIMple+comPUTER

    From the Google cache:

    What is a Simputer?
    Bridging the Great Digital Divide

    The Simputer is a low cost portable alternative to PCs, by which the benefits of IT can reach the common man.

    It has a special role in the third world because it ensures that illiteracy is no longer a barrier to handling a computer.

    The key to bridging the digital divide is to have shared devices that permit truly simple and natural user interfaces based on sight, touch and audio.

    The Simputer meets these demands through a browser for the Information Markup Language (IML). IML has been created to provide a uniform experience to users and to allow rapid development of solutions on any platform.

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  7. PDA accelerometers for scrolling patented by code_rage · · Score: 3, Informative

    Whether you think this should be a patentable idea or not, using accelerometers to scroll a PDA display has been patented. I wonder if Simputer will be getting a "cease and desist" letter in the mail. Of course it's possible that they have already licensed it from the patent holder.

    Patent number 6,466,198:
    "View navigation and magnification of a hand-held device with a display"

    The patent holder is called Innoventions

    1. Re:PDA accelerometers for scrolling patented by v1x · · Score: 3, Informative

      US law, per se, does not apply to any other country. However for countries that have ratified WTO, patents can be enforced one way or another. Secondly, even if they are not able to enforce the the patent in India, if the device is to be marketed outside India, then the laws of that country will apply. In the case of the US, Innoventions could probably get a cease & desist order blocking sales of the device in the US market.

    2. Re:PDA accelerometers for scrolling patented by code_rage · · Score: 2, Informative

      I am not a patent lawyer, but I think these issues would apply:
      1. If the patent holder applied for international patents then he might have recourse through WIPO (World Intellectual Property Org) and other agreements. India is a member of WIPO, and given that software development and other IP is seen as important to India's economic development, I don't think the Indian govt would permit wholesale flouting of international patents.

      2. If the patent holder only has patents in the US, then anyone using the same implementation in products used or distributed in the US would need to license from the patent holder.

      That said, it is up to the patent holder to enforce his rights. In the US, this would mean suing the infringer in federal court. In India, again the patent holder would have to sue, as the Indian govt is not going to enforce his rights for him.

      In some cases, the monetary value might not be worth the costs. It obviously depends on how solid the patent is and how much the licensees and end users are willing to pay.

      Here is some basic patent information.

  8. Hot Chick by hot_Karls_bad_cavern · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...well, it's mostly /.'ed, but i saw the first shot of the hot girl using it as an mp3 player and i don't care what it is, i neeed it.

    i need the hot chicks. Come on, this is slashdot, you were thinking it too.

    1. Re:Hot Chick by steveoc · · Score: 4, Funny
      To quote from the simputer site :

      http://www.amidasimputer.com/tour/stop4.php

      "Along with a chikki, you can play hours and hours of CD-quality music "

      So, Im not sure I read the advert correctly, but it sounds like you DO actually get a Chikki with each simputer.

      Either that, or they are available for purchase direct from the site. (Chikki may be available for purchase online, pursuant to the governing laws of your State)

    2. Re:Hot Chick by orthogonal · · Score: 2, Interesting
      The average indian would sooner drink piss than marry (or let their daughter marry...) a non-indian....

      Well sir, I am understanding why they would not be wanting their daughter to marry an uninformed Anglo-Desi like you (the emphasizing is being my own):
      Morarji Desai, a Brahmin belonging to the Anavil sub-caste, was installed as Prime Minister of India on March 24, 1977.... Immediately after coming to power, he devoted all his powers to propagating Brahmanism, especially the peculiar Brahmin custom of drinking human urine ....
  9. Some Linux PDAs never hit the market by wehe · · Score: 2, Informative

    Congratulations to Amida, you made it. There are some Linux PDAs, which where announced, but never became available for sale. See this survey about Linux on PDAs.

  10. This accelerometer thing... by Cidtek · · Score: 2, Funny

    sounds like an answer to a question nobody asked. Or is it just me?

    1. Re:This accelerometer thing... by tftp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just you, IMO. People use hand gestures much more than the keyboard (/. excepted :-) The accelerometer can be used for many different purposes, or not used at all. If you like it, great. If you hate it, turn it off.

    2. Re:This accelerometer thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Just you. It feels really natural for scrolling, for example - just tilt the device a bit to scroll (note that I am not talking about the simputer specifically, but a research device I built, but I imagine unless the simputer folk _really_ screwed up, it would feel much the same).

      On a small display like a PDA or mobile phone, it makes viewing and reading pretty much "normal sized" web pages possible - while it's basically impossible to put up with reading a 100 page pdf when you have to use a stylus to move a scroll bar around or scroll around with a directional pad, tilting the device to pan around a large virtual page is fast and intuitive (I wouldn't use it for flipping pages, better to use back/fwd buttons for that).

      On the minus side, I think nokia have fucking patented the idea in the US and Europe (despite it being blitheringly obvious to one skilled in the art... if the patent office isn't going to do patents properly, they should just stop granting patents...), so you won't see it any time soon unless you do it yourself noncommercially.

  11. Seems like a dead end to me by downix · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I tried to contact the simputer folk on 3 different occasions to license the design to no responce. For being an "open" platform, the docs and schematics are similarly locked-down making it impossible to even do a review.

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  12. I don't get it by dont_think_twice · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why is this the right type of computer for India? What is wrong with desktop PC's? We all know that a laptop costs way more then a desktop, and a tablet PC costs way more than that. This simputer sounds alot more like a tablet PC than a desktop, so I would guess it's cost would be similar.

    Shouldn't the overriding factor for underdeveloped countries be the cost? Not portability and gee-whiz features like zooming by acceleratometers?

    1. Re:I don't get it by InfiniteWisdom · · Score: 4, Informative

      Perhaps the reason you don't get it is because you're just making wild guesses without bothering to try find out any facts? It currently costs Rs.17000 (~$377) and is expected to cost about Rs.9000 ($200) when mass-produced. Even at $377 it costs way less than high-end PDAs

      Try guessing a little less, and obtaining a little more information next time.

    2. Re:I don't get it by dont_think_twice · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If they can build a handheld for under 400, they should be able to build a desktop for under 150 or so. That was my point. Rather than focusing on building a cheap portable, they should focus on building a cheap desktop, because it is nearly a rule of computers that desktops are cheaper than portables.

    3. Re:I don't get it by Kaboom13 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      $377 is more expensive then most PocketPC's. The top of the line Dell Axim X3 is $315. The specs on it far exceed the stats I've found(not 100% about their accuracy for the final model) for this Simputer. The cheap X3, at $200, still beats it. While it might have it's niche, it's definitly not cheap.

    4. Re:I don't get it by maeka · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This device (excluding the smartcard slot and USB ports) has the features of a (very) low end PalmOS machine with the price of a (very) high end PocketPC.
      The model that is expected to cost $200 dollars has a faster - more battery hungry - processor than my old Palm III, but not much more in terms of capability.

    5. Re:I don't get it by tftp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A desktop is different from a portable (in case it is not blatantly obvious :-) This simputer thingy runs on batteries, and you can have it with you anywhere. A desktop would be sitting at your house, and you can use it only when you are at home.

    6. Re:I don't get it by dwave · · Score: 3, Insightful


      The group of scientists "Bangalore Seven" developed the Simputer with the average user in mind. The average user lives in a indian village and is much different from the western users. So the design is also different to fit the specific needs of it's customers:

      # Power supply in rural India is pretty bad, with frequent "load-shedding" blackouts. Without an UPS you can't run a desktop. The simputer runs on three AAA batteries.

      # Your average user may has never used a computer before. So you'll have to keep the design as simple as possible.

      # Desktop PCs consist of many parts that fail too easily under rough conditions. You need air condition or other internal sophisticated cooling equipment. Indian summers are hot and humid during the monsoon season. See the a chart of Delhi an an example. If something fails it's hard to get a replacement.

      # The simputer is still much to expensive for customers with an average income of 40$/month. So expect that many people in a group (family, friends, collegues) will share one simputer. The desing makes sharing easy. Private data is saved to smartcards.

      I think there're still many issues with the simputer. It's much too expensive. The price will have to drop to 50$, so they'll need to get the indian government to invest in this thing. Language support seems to be quite good with Hindi, Kannada, English already supported. Bengali , Tamil, Maharathi, Urdu also need to support. And Sanskrit would be nice for high-tech pundits =). But what to the illiterate people do? They need an icon-based GUI, speech output, or even speech recognition. Easy to set up printing would also be a nice feature.

      As for the motion-controlled features we'll just have to wait for first-hand reviews. There're already games preinstalled based on this feature.

      If all these requirements are met then there'll be a big market for the simputer - the whole india subcontinent in fact. And there's china that has similar requirements to get a majority of people to use computers. So India wouldn't have problems to export large quantities of the simputer to other emerging nations.

    7. Re:I don't get it by gabbarbhai · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Desktop PCs are still too unwieldy for most folk in India, who have not been through schooling. Especially more so, when they keep spontaneously rebooting because of the bootlegged winblows operating system they use.
      Something one can carry around or pass around is very important: People tend to have a very significant communal tendency in India, and sharing/passing around a computer to look up crop prices or weather or stock prices is important. So, small size is definitely a plus there: one simputer can be used by multiple families/farmers. That was at least one of the founding principles behind the simputer AFAIK.
      This stuff, once enough apps are developed indigenously, can be programmed so that stereotypical functions can be performed with one or two taps. Saves the extra learning required to operate a full-blown desktop.
      In fact, zooming by accelerometer (Not sure if acceleratometer is even a term) is a nifty HCI feature good for naive users. I'd love to have something like that on my Palm :-)

    8. Re:I don't get it by davekebab · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Power, Ugrades, Space

      I think you'll find that mains power is rare in the market it is intended for - Rural or marginal India. Batteries rule while power surges are frequent.

      Desktops need a lot of maintenance and upgrading to keep them sustainable/viable for more than three or four years. Just one person can carry a dozen of these on a bus to the city for flash upgrades.

      In a place where families can share a single room the standard amount of space required is not the same as Padsville, USA. Finding a secure, dry space for a fragile PC, monitor & spaghetti is not always possible.

      DK

  13. Re:Zoom function by jest3r · · Score: 3, Funny

    to zoom in you move the simputer closer to you ..

    you can rotate the display by holding the simputer and twisting your wrist ...

    if you toss the simputer directly above you its homing technology will cause it to fall back down towards you ...

    and it will automatically shut itself down once the battery is dead ... how convenient.

  14. Did you read the article? by cgenman · · Score: 3, Informative

    I know few people read the articles, but why don't people read the articles before they complain about the article's percieved lack of information?

    Try the buy link. Or just compare models.

    And next time, make sure you read the article and not just the Google Cache when somebody says a website was updated.

  15. death by snusnu by meeotch · · Score: 2, Funny
    "For instance, it uses accelerometers to sense motion and this is used to give commands to the computer"

    This does not simpute. Simputer will return after deciding your punishment.

    mitch

  16. Re:Accelerometers @ ~$15 retail by YetAnotherGeekGuy · · Score: 4, Informative

    pretty crappy accelerometer costs 25 - 40$

    You can get a 2-axis Analog Devices accelerometer kit for $19.50 for the Mark III mini-sumo robot at The Mark III Store (scroll down a page to the "Accelerometer Kit"). There's a handful of discrete components, and this is essentially a retail price, so figure $15.

    The part is actually a MEMS device, so figure 1) a manufacturer can probably buy it at half that price in volume, and 2) there are cheaper non-MEMS devices available on the market.

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  17. connectivity by simpl3x · · Score: 2, Interesting

    bluetooth certainly adds cost to the computer, but i wonder why such technology wasn't built in, or capabilities for it added--card slot of some sort. if i recall correctly the cost was supposed to come in around 4-5 hundred dollars, which isn't bad at all. i'd love to see a review of the software--and hardware. it looks pretty polished.

  18. Re:does it run linux?? by Sesostris+III · · Score: 2, Informative

    It would seem from the FAQ that it doesn't run anything else!

    Actually, they want to release the hardware specs under a GLP type license.

    And apparently, as you are a /.er, you already know whether or not it can be used to create a Beowulf cluster!

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  19. Re:does it run linux?? by InfiniteWisdom · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yes

  20. Good for research in India by work2play · · Score: 2, Informative

    Since their site is overwhelmed with hits, thought I should start this thread. This is good for research in India. We have all known that India is now a major player in the outsourcing market. With many other institutes also setting up R&D units in India, India's contribution to the world of research and technology will increase. This project came out of IISc - Indian Institute of Science , Bangalore and is a major step forward in the research to commercial movement in India, an area which the USA has mastered and is really good at.

  21. Zoom-Zoom by SEWilco · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I believe moving towards you to zoom in has already been implemented at the physical layer, but they can't claim the laws of Physics as a feature.

    The feature may have some interesting effects, with the optical zoom interacting with the on-screen zoom.

    But as someone mentioned, a jolt on a bus could appear to jiggle the view window over an unmoving "document" -- the same could be done with the Z-axis, so a jolt toward you could reduce the image so as to keep the apparent size the same. (not that the screen has enough resolution to make the reduction optically perfect)

    However, motion sickness is caused when the visual movement does not match that of the inner ear. I wonder how an unmoving object would be interpreted; maybe those with head-worn displays have some experience. (The reaction apparently is because many poisons cause visual distortions, so the resulting nausea is intended to trigger vomiting and remove any poisonous material which is still in the stomach.)

  22. Some notable features by MaximusTheGreat · · Score: 5, Informative

    For those who can't access the site because it is /.ed or do not want to read the site in the ususal /. tradition, here is a summary of major features
    1. Runs Linux
    2. Can connect to Internet though a regular phone line or CDMA cellphone
    3. Has 2 USB ports built in
    4. Has a inbuilt voice recorder
    5. Aslo works as a MP3 and movie player(combine with the USB storage and ...you get the idea)
    6. Has lots of inbuilt apps including internet browser, email, accounting and a panchanga ( Indian calender system used to figure out auspicious inauspicious days) etc.
    7. Can wrie in multiple languages using a "bhasha" notebook software inbuilt and a special keyboard.
    8. Gesture input using a inbuilt accelerometer

    Other benefits
    http://amidasimputer.com/benefits/
    And you can buy it from here:
    http://www.amidasimputer.com/buy

    1. Re:Some notable features by mjprobst · · Score: 3, Informative

      The item that seems most interesting to me, and the one that makes this device something between a lightweight desktop and a PDA, is the combined fact that

      * it has 2 USB adapters
      * the USB code is based on a freely available kernel

      There are some devices that have USB, but most of them only act as a USB _peripheral_. This can be a USB _host_. While it might seem more useful to use CF or SD for storage needs, the use of USB opens up the possibility of using lots of peripheral devices not usually open to PDAs, especially since designing drivers for Linux is generally understood.

  23. slashdotters are very stereotypical.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why is it that roughly 80% of the initial posts involve some sort of derision of this product? It is a computer built in India and its made to be simple yet slashdotters automatically start associating it as something cheap or stupid. Grow up people. Indians have just as much a right as anyone else to pioneer in the field of technology and they did not fucking make fun of you idiots during the dot-com bubble so don't bash their innovations.

    No I am not from India. I live in North America and I am a starving coder also. I just have respect for development of technology no matter where it is made.

  24. How about this Simpleputer? by randomErr · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ya know I saw a Leapster at a local big box store. It can do color and decent sound via Flash 5 and uses normal batteries. Plus the Leapster costs less then half of the price of the Simputer.

    When the Simputer was first announced it was a great idea, cheap portable computing. Now I can get alomst the same thing as a toy.

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  25. from the FAQ's by wornst · · Score: 3, Funny

    6. Q: When will the Simputer be available?

    A: If all goes well, by March 2002 you should be able to buy one of them.

    I guess all didn't go, "well."

  26. You knew it was coming by Kiyooka · · Score: 3, Funny
    to zoom a picture, you just have to move the Simputer towards you and to turn a page, you flick it like you would turn a page for a book

    One-handed photo enlargement, huh? one-handed next-pic viewing? very nice...

    Oh wait, did I say pic? I meant page. ya, page.

    Might be a "jerky" experience though...

  27. Can you imagine by Moonpie+Madness · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Can you imagine using this contraption in a car or on a train? Hit a bump, and the damn thing starts zooming in and out, flip through pages, and all sorts of crap.. take it on a roller coaster and it'll format the hard drive on the loop de loop.

  28. 10 Simputer Innovations by $exyNerdie · · Score: 3, Informative

    Since the site is getting /.ed (just got this error- Warning: Too many connections in /var/amidasimp/includes/connectdb.php on line 4 Cannot Connect to MySQL), I decided to copy and paste from my browser cache:

    Why Amida? - Innovations
    Power and Simplicity Built-in
    The Amida Simputer was built on the premise that a computer is more useful when if it is easy-to-use. To achieve that simplicity however, our engineers have toiled hard. And, introduced a number of innovations, so that you (the user) can have the most versatile, most mobile personal computer in the world. Here are the top ten innovations:

    Doodle n' Mail: Amida allows you to scribble on any screen using a stylus, and email it. is the world's first instance of any computer (handheld or otherwise) permitting annotation on every screen

    Flip Flip Motion Sensor: Amida is the world's first and only computer that responds to your gestures - eg. you can turn the pages of an e-book with a flick of your wrist

    Indian Languages: The Amida Simputer allows you to work and play in the language of your choice

    Amida Chikki: Easy way to carry programs, music, movies, pictures...

    Connectivity: Amida is the world's first handheld computer to have two USB slots (master and slave. Helps it work well with a range of other devices - Reliance CDMA phones (for Internet connectivity), PCs, digital cameras etc.

    Pocket Hercules: The Amida Simputer combines portability and power in a manner that no other handheld in the world does. Check out the specs

    Simplicity: The Amida Simputer includes a number of innovations that makes computing simple and enjoyable. If you want to work (and play) with consummate ease, then the world's easiest-to-use computer is for you!

    Auto Updates: If you need to update your Amida Software, all you have to do is, open an application called Package Manager, connect to the Internet and tap "Update" - no "Install Managers", no visits to showrooms!

    SmartCard Reader / Writer: The Simputer is the world's first computer to have an integrated SmartCard readr / writer. Use it for identification, sharing and security

    Personalize: Amida lets you transform its appearance to suit your unique tastes and needs

    Amida as coffee-maker: No, Amida does not do this. Not yet, anyway!