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Political Pop-ups, and Follow the Money

finelinebob writes "Now we know why Bush wants broadband for everyone: The Republican National Committee plans on bringing the campaign to Internet pop-up ads. From the article: 'Internet experts said that Republicans have entered a new realm of campaigning. Pop-up and pop-under ads of any variety haven't been around long, and little data exist to suggest how voters might respond to uninvited interruptions.' Okay, folks -- get your pop-up blocking browsers now!" While you're waiting for your first pop-up, pop on over to a website that tracks campaign contributions: vVF4N writes "Fundrace 2004 lets you enter any street address and see what people at or near that location have contributed to a presidential candidate, along with their addresses and occupations. The data is based on reports that campaigns regularly file with the Federal Election Commission. You can also look up a name and get the same information. The Washington Post (registration required) has more. Find out who your friends and neighbors are contributing to."

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  1. Pop ups by krymsin01 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So instead of using the Internet to rally and energize the American public into voting for them, they are going to use it to furthor alienate and annoy us with pop-ups? Are they that out of touch that they believe pop-ups are actualy going to give them some sort of edge?

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    1. Re:Pop ups by TomV · · Score: 4, Interesting

      or: As well as using the internet to rally and energise the American Public into voting for them, they are going to use it to further alienate and annoy everyone outside the US without a vote in the US elections with pop-ups? Are they that out of touch that they believe these pop-ups are actually going to be limited to US voters only?

    2. Re:Pop ups by Cally · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm really looking forward to the first one of these I see, when I shall send a lengthy email of complaint about how I'm unable to vote in the election, not being American. Hopefully that'll suck up a few minutes of time of some campaign worker and help drain away the Bush funds. Just doin' my bit...

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    3. Re:Pop ups by blazerw11 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Republicans don't care about people outside the U.S. Have you not been paying attention?! :)

      The above was meant to be humorous toward the parent poster and a slight slam against our conservative leadership, which, if I may make an intelligent argument here, suck.

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  2. Yay! by ColourlessGreenIdeas · · Score: 5, Funny

    An oppertunity for the republicans to annoy everyone. That's what I like to see.

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  3. *groan! by manavendra · · Score: 4, Funny

    As if pr0n pop-ups werent enough, we'll now have Dubya and others popping up and asking to vote for them.
    Wonder if the internet usage policy will classify Dubya with his silly grin as "distasteful, objectionable content" :-)

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    1. Re:*groan! by WWWWolf · · Score: 3, Funny
      Wonder if the internet usage policy will classify Dubya with his silly grin as "distasteful, objectionable content" :-)

      According to some porn filters, yes, pictures of GWB are vile pornography. =)

  4. Oh bloody hell by NemesisStar · · Score: 5, Funny

    If this means I get "Vote for Bush" popups in Australia I'm going to be very upset.

    I'd prefer a 12" penis any day!

    1. Re:Oh bloody hell by meringuoid · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Well, the annoying thing is... whoever wins this election will be deciding what my country's foreign policy is going to be. Yet I don't get a vote in it. Isn't it great living in a vassal state?

      And now, just to rub it in, they're going to pop up their campaign ads at me. Brilliant.

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    2. Re:Oh bloody hell by Surlyboi · · Score: 5, Funny

      You're in luck then, because if you vote Bush, you get Dick for free!

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  5. Let Me Guess... by illuminata · · Score: 3, Funny

    Soon, we'll find that John F. Kerry tries to counter this with 30 second flash intros. Listen to that thumping techno beat and kick ass effects!

    Oh, what about Nader, you ask? He won't use computers. Apparently they pollute or something. He wants monitors banned because of their adverse health effects, too. But, his rumbling will be heard across the world anyways, so don't you worry!

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  6. Okay, folks -- get your pop-up blocking browsers.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Under provision 911.666 of the PATRIOT II act, any method of circumventing the delivery of any advertisement form is considered an act of terrorism, punishable by life imprisonment in a forest labour camp, or summary execution. RFID signals broadcast from advertisements will be used in conjunction with the RFID tags now secretly being placed in your contact lenses to permit 24 hour total penis enlargement awareness.

  7. Found My Boss on there by Stubtify · · Score: 3, Funny

    And he donated the max ($2000) Geeze I guess times we're *that* tough this year.

    1. Re:Found My Boss on there by MyFourthAccount · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Ah, is this him?
      William H. Gates - George W. Bush - 1 Microsoft Way
      CEO -------------- $2,000 --------- Redmond, WA 98052
      Microsoft Corp.
  8. it's all making some sense... by monkease · · Score: 5, Funny

    cia: there are weapons of mass destruction in iraq!
    bush: okay!
    cia: and americans love pop-up ads!
    bush: okay!

  9. Thanks Bush by linuxci · · Score: 4, Funny

    Looks like he'll be doing the first useful thing in his presidential career...

    Giving people a reason to ditch IE and run Firefox! :)

    Still he's not getting my vote, well as I'm English I couldn't anyway!

  10. Re:MyIE2 is pop-up blocking & content blocking by linuxci · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why would you want to do that when you can get the cross platform Firefox that doesn't have the inbuilt holes that anything that embeds IE has.

    Also IMO Firefox has a nicer interface.

    Note: MyIE2 does also support the Gecko engine in recent versions but enabling it isn't obvious and there's a few bugs in the integration.

  11. coming up next: campaign spam by slart42 · · Score: 5, Funny

    v.ote for b.ush!!

    asfhjku hdsjhkf hdfhbio

  12. follow the money by ashot · · Score: 5, Interesting

    looks to me like a very interesting graphical representation of voter contributions, it seems a little scary though that I can access the name and address of everyone in my zipcode who contributed x amount of money to x candidate; I can see why it is necessary to keep these records public, but I can also see some potential for mis-use. Anyone else have this thought?

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  13. Reminds of of their "anti-spam" provisions by fuzzybunny · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Wasn't there some discussion about provisions in the CAN-SPAM act to exempt "informative" political messages?

    At that level, I wouldn't be surprised if popup blockers and filters against political spam were somehow to run afoul of DMCA (circumvention devices!) and friends. You MUST view this popup, we're checking! Honest! :)

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  14. Re:MyIE2 is pop-up blocking & content blocking by mandalayx · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The intro to this article mentions Opera and Mozilla - forget it, there's much better out there. I've tried every browser out there, and for nearly 6 months now I've used MyIE2. It "takes over" IE2 and runs as a seperate program - not only does it do pop-up blocking, it also does _content_ blocking. My eyes are open, the internet (and slashdot) no longer has ads - try it, try it, try it (if you're stuck in Windows).


    You do realize, right, that the point of using Mozilla Firefox is not just popup blocking. In fact, it's going to be hard to market Firefox on the aspect of pop-up blocking when you have options like you mentioned and the Google toolbar.

    For me, the point of using Firefox is having a browser that I don't need to worry about. When I use IE, I'm not sure whether the next link will take me to an exploit. Or some annoying script. I don't really have that worry with Firefox....not yet..
  15. If I were Bush, I would be a bit wary about by mandalayx · · Score: 3, Insightful
    If I were Bush, I would be a bit wary about Internet marketing. Clay Shirky makes an interesting and insightful dissection on what went right and wrong with Dean and his internet campaign here:

    What follows is a long musing on the Dean campaign's use of internet tools, but it has a short thesis: the hard thing to explain is not how the Dean campaign blew such a huge lead, but rather why we ever thought that lead actually existed. Dean's campaign didn't just fail, it dissolved on contact with reality.


    Extensive reading, but just read line by line.

    Of course, though, we know that the GOP has done better in communicating their message, while the Democrats continue to fail Influence 101...a sad sight.
  16. Republican Popups Taking Over Your Screen by billstewart · · Score: 5, Funny

    Single popups are bad enough, but just wait until the Republicans try those rapid-fire take-over-your-screen can't-hit-the-X-fast-enough popups. "Terrorists might be hiding under your bed!" "Democrats are Liberal Liberal Liberal!" "Weapons of Mass Destruction!" "Our Enemies are EEEEVILLLLL!" "Yellow Alert No, Orange Alert! No, Yellow Alert!" "Pink Alert - Gay People Might Destroy Your Marriage Unless You let Us Repeal The Constitution!" "Don't Vote Democrat or Terrorists Will Squish This Hamster!" "Be Afraid, Be Very Afraid!" "Don't Worry, Republicans Will Protect You!" "Pay No Attention to the Web Bug Behind This Window!" "CLick the Dancing Osama To Fight Terrorism!" "Click the Dancing Osama to Vote Republican!" "If you Don't see the Fnords, they won't eat you!" "Homeland Security works if We All Cooperate!"

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  17. brotherly love? by aarku · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Governor John Bush only gave his brother $1000?
    Zing!

  18. California's Bill Jones Spammed last time by billstewart · · Score: 4, Informative
    Bill Jones is a California Republican who's running for Senate this year against Barbara Boxer. Back in 2002, when he was Secretary of State and trying to get the Republican nomination to run for governor (Bill Simon beat him, and lost to Gray Davis, who was later recalled and replaced by Ahnold), his campaign sent out a bunch of email spam, and got spanked by the net.

    So here in California, the Republicans already have lots of practice annoying Internet users. Let's hope they keep it up!

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  19. Re:Bill is a cheapskate by hughk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But it won't list the $10000/plate campaign dinners though will it?

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  20. more *groan! by spellraiser · · Score: 4, Funny

    Pop-up and pop-under ads of any variety haven't been around long ... ???

    They've been around TOO long. More specifically, they have been around, period.

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  21. DMCA by epcraig · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Vote for Kerry, vote for the DMCA.

    Vote for Bush, vote for the DMCA.

    Nader ran against the DMCA in 2000, I can't see why he'd change his mind in 2004.

    Kucinich, too, ran against the DMCA. Pity nobody cared.

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  22. Nothing changes by Karem+Lore · · Score: 3, Funny
    Don't know about you, but this won't change a thing. I've had popups offering me BUSH for years...

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  23. now i know who my neighbors vote for by jtcm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I had a knee-jerk reaction to browsing this database filled with no less than a dozen of my friends', families', and aquaintances' political affiliations with corresponding addresses. My inner-self cried "INVASION OF PRIVACY! ABORT! ABORT!"

    I then took a mental step back, collected my wits, and clicked the "Privacy" link. lo and behold:

    All the information presented on Fundrace.org is part of the public record and provided by the Federal Election Commission of the United States.

    Anyone who contributes "hard money" to political campaigns must provide personal information. This requirement limits the political influence of wealthy, anonymous individuals and allows the public to track financial contributions that may influence the political process.

    Upon further investigation it becomes apparent that this site is a Very Good Thing(tm). It is a bastion of democracy.

    Fundrace, I salute you.

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  24. Re:follow the money -- it's a good thing... by BadElf · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There's potential for mis-use, but talk about an eye-opener. How many average citizens would take the time to request this data from the FEC?

    A quick lookup of my street address was extremely insightful. I recognized many of the names from my years in the business community and guess what? Most of the Republican donors are owners and officers of companies who have been laying off workers (and outsourcing their work) with most contributing $2000 checks from every person in their household. The Dems, on the other hand, had more contributors, but they were much smaller contributions ($50 - $500) and mostly from small business owners and average Joe's -- many retirees.

    Now I can see for myself why the Bushies have over $100M at their disposal, while Kerry's only at $22M or so. Knowing where the money is coming from helps show where government will be going -- and if Bush wins, it will be going into Big Business's back pocket.

  25. Re:So now ... by DietVanillaPepsi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "Republicans, appealing to the lowest common denominator since 1978."

    Democrats do the same. Most politicians within this two-party system do the same. They appeal to the lowest common denominator.

    I used to feel that my intelligence was insulted everytime I heard a politician speak on an issue. Over time, I have realized that politicians must appeal to their bases: people who are fanatical about the political party to which they belong, which makes them too blind to examine the issues beyond taking their candidates proclamations as gospel and people who are too dumb to examine the issues in any way, shape or form and vote for a particular party because that's what they've always done. The rest of the electorate is forever voting for the lesser of two evils.

  26. Re:MyIE2 is pop-up blocking & content blocking by SenseiLeNoir · · Score: 3, Informative

    yes its a bug... but then again, FireFox is not YET v1.0

    If you download an extension/theme, you have to immeadiately restart the browser to clear the install queue.

    Otherwise when you download the next one, you will get *TWO" restart messages (and increasing each time)

    This bug WILL be fixed by 1.0, and is hardly what you call serious, and better by far than IE, which requires to you restart the system at times.

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  27. A touch of irony... by Goose+In+Orbit · · Score: 3, Funny

    In an article about pop-ups, three sponsored links to pop-up blockers ... and a pop-up!

    Ho hum...

  28. the political funding database is incomplete by thebeast25 · · Score: 3, Funny

    It doesn't list the Bin Laden family contributions???

  29. Vote Republican by Rogerborg · · Score: 4, Funny

    If you want us to stop.

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  30. Be sure to click! by DaRobin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Certainly do not use popup blockers for this, on the contrary, bring them up, click, bring'em up again and click click until you're tired -- it'll cost them money for each click... I reckon we could even have a "Click The Bush" campaign in which good net citizens would click on those ads several times a day to help rid the world of this pestilence :)

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  31. Seriously.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    you think either the Republicans or Democrats are that concerned about where the money comes from.

    Now that's optimistic! If you've got a prostitution ring in Thailand that specializes in the anal rape of baby monk seals, you just have to launder the money before you buy the politician.

    Randomly enough. They admit this is an experiment and they don't know what they're doing, but they've got, and I shit you not, so much money, that it makes it a perfect time to run the experiment. That's their actual, said it to the camera, position. It doesn't matter how much they piss people off, they've got enough extra money to fix it.

    But I'd check the outrage if I were a European. The Republicans couldn't by a better publicist than the EU. Remember, if you look like you hate America, anything that pisses you off looks like a good idea. If you want Ohio and it's electoral votes to go to the red team in November, keep it up.

  32. Fundrace 2004 = VERY VERY SCARY by mumblestheclown · · Score: 4, Interesting
    for those arguing for 'accountability' in political donations, consider this.

    Jane works in a law firm. Jane likes dennis kucinich. Jane's boss, a partner, likes GW Bush.

    Jane's boss can only contribute up to the maximum personal limit of $2000 or whatever it is. But, he can strongly suggest to jane and others that it might be in jane's career interest to do the same.

    now, the boss can check up on jane with this handy web site. of course, nobody has forced jane to do anything, but still, the boss can check up to see what kind of 'team player' she is.

    this is TRULY scary. do a search of your loal neighborhood and see how many lawyers' names come up.

    1. Re:Fundrace 2004 = VERY VERY SCARY by goldspider · · Score: 4, Informative
      'But, he can strongly suggest to jane and others that it might be in jane's career interest to do the same."

      Nope, 100% illegal. We have labor laws in place that prohibit such coersion. If "Jane" feels that "Jane's Boss" is pressuring her to vote/contribute a certain way, that's grounds for an open-and-shut lawsuit.

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    2. Re:Fundrace 2004 = VERY VERY SCARY by goldspider · · Score: 3, Insightful
      IANAL but you don't need a paper trail to meet the burden of proof in a civil case.

      For example, other employees who given similar "career advice" could testify oh Jane's behalf.

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  33. Just hope they don't do it in Switzerland, too... by DrYak · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Alienating the Americans ? How about alienating the Swiss ?
    Each couple of month, in Switzerland we're supposed to vote about a dozen of laws, laws change and other subjects.
    Just imagine the desktop mess if swiss politician start to make pop-up like the american : not just two pop-ups for two candidate, but dozens of pop-ups about pro and cons for each subjet.
    Now THAT'S going to make a big wreckage on the desktop ! I think people will start to hate democracy... or make Mozilla the official nationnal browser for it's ad-blocking...

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  34. They are sponsoring pop-up for their *opponents*! by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 3, Funny
    they are going to use it to furthor alienate and annoy us with pop-ups?

    That's the point. They are sending pop-ups for their opponents, stupid!

  35. Re:Gates & Ballmer by tybalt44 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes. Under campaign finance laws, any person or corporation can donate a maximum of $2000 to one candidate.

    How sad is it that I, in Canada, know this, yet all these Americans don't?

  36. Our Favorite Characters by Ridgelift · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Gee, this Fundrace thing is fun...and kinda scary. Especially if you normally don't want people to know your home address. Here's some of the giving habits of our favorite cast of characters:

    Bill Gates - CEO Microsoft - Republican
    Steve Ballmer - President Microsoft - Republican
    Hilary Rosen - Consultant & President RIAA - Democrat
    Jack Valenti - President MPAA - Democrat
    Darl McBride - President SCO Group - Thankless Bastard

  37. Re:How about let's cut out the political speech he by Deslock · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This is at least the 4th story in 2 days; that has jabs at the Republican party or at George Bush. I understand that the majority of people here at /. are liberal or democrat, but this is NOT a political website - to polarize readers. It's starting to get on my nerves.
    You're overreacting. This story simply links to articles that describe how the RNC plans to use pop-up advertising and tell of how anyone can easily look up who's contributed what. That second article applies to both parties, so I assume it's the pop-up portion of the story that bugs you. Frankly, I don't see how it takes jabs at Bush or republicans. If the the DNC had announced that they were going to use pop-ups, I expect /. would've posted about it as well (along with the standard "time to change your browser" remarks).
    Republicans and conservatives (on slashdot) are traeted like the Klan treated ... well ... I'll lket you fill in th rest.
    I don't think comparing something as trivial as political bias to the KKK is going to help your case. On the contrary, it makes you look like an overly sensitive partisan who can't keep things in perspective.
  38. Interesting: One Microsoft Way 98052 by handmedowns · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's funny..

    If you look at all the people who donated to Bush from Microsoft, its all VP's and high level management that get paid the big bucks and donated the max of $2000, but most the ones that contributed to other candidates are all lower paid blue-collar from programmers to trainers and could only donate $200-$500 dollars..

    What does that tell you about a "bush" economy.. other than those that are benefiting are the ones that are already able to retire..

    I'll be glad to see bush go.. not that I'm a Kerry supporter.. but I'm just tired of all the crap.

    SCO attacks IBM w/o proof.. Bush attacks Iraq w/o Proof... which one do you think will get away with it, without any consequences?


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  39. Finally, a Pop-Up I'll click on... by milliyear · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...and click-on, and click-on, and click-on, and click-on.

    I Promise to single-handedly make any web site feeding a Bush pop-up rich beyond their wildest dreams with click-thru revenue.

    Of course, I'll vote for Anybody But Bush.

    I'll waste his money and put him out of a job just like he wastes my money and keeps me out of a job.

    That's the only way we can stop political pop-ups: No Return On Investment. Let's give them some 'hard data' to show them it's not worth it!