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Bicycle Riding on Square Wheels

Roland Piquepaille writes "Before starting our long working week, let's relax with this story of a bicycle with square wheels. No, it's not a joke. And it even rides smoothly. But there is a trick: the road must have a specific shape. The Math Trek section of Science News Online tells us more about this strange bicycle -- actually a tricycle with two front wheels and one back wheel. Read this overview for some excerpts and a picture of the tricycle, or the original article for an additional animation."

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  1. Smooth ride by gid13 · · Score: 2, Troll

    I'll bet it stays smooth on turns. :P

  2. Allrighty then by JSkills · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'll get right on that change-the-shape-of-all-of-the-roads project right away ...

    1. Re:Allrighty then by ehiris · · Score: 3, Funny

      And I'll get on the go from point A to point B without ever turning project right away. I wonder who will be done first.

    2. Re:Allrighty then by merlin_jim · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually, this research does have real world applications.

      In the early parts of the industrial age it was found that a certain shape of gear teeth (both along the axle of the gear, and the tooth's profile seen edge on), removed gear slip allowing for much smoother operation, to the point where bevelled gears are used in all car transmissions today.

      This research may lead to innovative and new ways to mesh gears together; for instance, I could imagine one application to allow gears with teeth numbers that aren't strictly in ratio to their diameters to mesh properly. If that were the case, then we could make transmissions and gear boxes an order of magnitude or so smaller...

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  3. Junior school physics by Space+cowboy · · Score: 5, Informative


    The reason the trike has smooth motion is simple - the centre of mass (where the axle is attached) doesn't move vertically. It's exactly the same reason as for a hoop rolling on a plane surface except the hoop is more obvious.

    When you turn, the square shape doesn't fit so well, so the c.o.m oscillates vertically, and you get a more bumpy ride - the larger the angle you turn through, the worse the fit, and the bumpier the ride. Wheels (round ones) don't have this turning problem so much; my vote goes to the round wheels :-)

    I remember doing a 'Granada power game' (schoolkid teams are set problems to do, and compete to produce the best solution). For the challenge in the year we took part, we had to construct (entirely from cardboard) a device that would travel forward under its own power for 5m, turn through 45 degrees, forward 1m, turn back through 45 degrees and throw a ball-bearing into a target, accuracy being rewarded. There were 2 walls at given positions that you had to get over as well, at 2.5m and 5.5m from the start. We just cut slots in our wheels - there were some really outlandish solutions to getting over the walls though :-)

    Simon

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    1. Re:Junior school physics by greenhide · · Score: 2, Interesting

      For the challenge in the year we took part, we had to construct (entirely from cardboard) a device that would travel forward under its own power

      So, how'd you make it move on it's own power? I'm intrigued.

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    2. Re:Junior school physics by Binestar · · Score: 5, Funny

      So, how'd you make it move on it's own power? I'm intrigued.

      Cardboard fueled boiler for the steam engine I would assume.

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    3. Re:Junior school physics by p3d0 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ok, let's agree that the smoothness of the ride really depends on the vertical motion of the driver. :-)

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  4. I guess... by Stu+Catz · · Score: 5, Funny

    they did re-invent the wheel, not a good invention though...

    1. Re:I guess... by rokzy · · Score: 2, Funny

      it's like Microsoft saw the wheel and thought "we gotta get us some of that!"

    2. Re:I guess... by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 2, Funny

      Within 4 years, the Open Source community will come up with a trike featuring round wheels but a suspension good enough for it to also interoperate with MSroads. Unlike the MS product, it will work with all versions of MSroads.

      Unfortunately, two years before Microsoft introduced flying cars, so nobody's using MSroads anymore anyway. However, OS users get to feel superior because, even though they get to their destination slower, they're not nearly as likely to blow up in midair.

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  5. hot dish? by garcia · · Score: 2, Funny

    See picture here

    Ya yew betcha! I wonder if that basket on the bike is to hold the hot dish? Only in Minnesota would we spend the time determining if square wheels would work... Perhaps from the potholes on 494?

    I reside in Minnesota so I am permitted to make these important scientific observations :)

  6. ingenious concept by brad3378 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Perfect for Michigan roads.

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    1. Re:ingenious concept by Roofus · · Score: 2, Funny

      I guess you have to be from Michigan to get that joke =) Are your roads made of half cylinders?

    2. Re:ingenious concept by Kyont · · Score: 2, Funny

      Let's not forget to cc: the Railroad Commission on the Island of Misfit Toys!

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  7. Could it be... by wviperw · · Score: 5, Funny

    The successor to the overly hyped Segway?

    Wheels? Who needs wheels when rhombuses work perfectly fine!

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  8. The answer is - A circle! by DR+SoB · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The question at the bottom that states they don't have a wheel the same shape as the surface, I tend to disagree, wouldn't a common circular wheel, while going over a steep hill both be circular shapes? What about tank tracks? They are both flat? A flat wheel and a flat surface = the same!

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    1. Re:The answer is - A circle! by jd142 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      wouldn't a common circular wheel, while going over a steep hill

      No, because the hill is really at best a half circle.

      I'm not sure if tank tracks count as a wheel since they don't orbit a central axis. Even if they were, the tank treads aren't flat when they are in use. They're a sort of oblong shape. You might as well say a wheel is also a line because if you cut the inner tube in half it lies down and becomes a line.

      If the wheel is circular, then the road would have to be circular as well. Like going around a small, perfectly spherical asteroid. But is it still a road if it doesn't actually lead anywhere?

    2. Re:The answer is - A circle! by Havokmon · · Score: 2, Funny
      wouldn't a common circular wheel, while going over a steep hill
      No, because the hill is really at best a half circle.

      Yeah, but the Earth is a circle ;)

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  9. Cities Will Be Redesigned Around This... by crazyaxemaniac · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's the next Segway!

  10. reinventing the wheel by GillBates0 · · Score: 2, Funny

    literally

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  11. What next? by Bobdoer · · Score: 5, Funny

    Will be be seeing pentagonal wheels or maybe even octogonal wheels? Or better yet n-gonal wheels where n is an incredibly large number?

  12. Spirograph by brundlefly · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is basically the same principle as the odd-shaped pieces in your old Spirograph set....

    1. Re:Spirograph by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 5, Funny

      Damn it! You guys /.'ed Hasbro!
      And I wanted to see the new Spirograph stuff!

  13. Read the whole article? by baudilus · · Score: 5, Funny
    From the article:

    Steering remains difficult, however. If you turn the square wheels too much, they get out of sync with the inverted catenaries.


    I wonder what shape my wheels have to be to ride smoothly over the screwed up roads that my town refuses to fix?
    1. Re:Read the whole article? by Hydrogenoid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, circular, with a diameter approaching infinity, of course. :-)

    2. Re:Read the whole article? by red+floyd · · Score: 3, Funny


      Duh! Infinity over 2!
      </humor>

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    3. Re:Read the whole article? by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I wonder what shape my wheels have to be to ride smoothly over the screwed up roads that my town refuses to fix?

      Actually, several non-wheel ideas come to mind:

      Tracked vehicles - make your own potholes - with a smooth ride...
      Walking vehicles - who cares about potholes - or roads for that matter?...
      Flying vehicles - this is my personal favorite - where is that flying car they promissed us?...

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  14. Now the road.... by ericlp · · Score: 5, Funny

    Today in the news: Inventors discover new way to make road construction ( and repair ) even more expensive....

  15. Before the square wheel... by theendlessnow · · Score: 5, Funny
    Stan Wagon invented "clippy" the Microsoft Paper Clip!! Genius! Sheer Genius!

    He's working on a water powered car I hear... just requires a really big hill.

    No word if the car will support square wheels or not.

  16. The wonder of assumptions... by MosesJones · · Score: 3, Funny


    Economics

    "The following theory assumes there are no external factors"

    External Factor = People

    Sociology

    "The following theory is based on a majority sample"

    Majority = 50 in a sample of 99.

    Slashdot

    "The following company/technology categorisation is correct given the sample data"

    Sample data = Slashdot

    And now we have

    "The following design is correct for a given definition of road"

    Reminds me of the old maths joke

    "1+2=4 for sufficiently large values of 2 and small values of 4"

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  17. From the article by sczimme · · Score: 5, Funny


    A catenary is the curve describing a rope or chain hanging loosely between two supports. At first glance, it looks like a parabola. In fact, it corresponds to the graph of a function called the hyperbolic cosine.

    Yeah, I always get those confused...

    [frink]Oy, with the wheels and the squares and the riding and the graphing, ng'hey, glaven.[/frink]

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  18. Proprietary Roads! by serutan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Seems to me this is a good analog to proprietary file formats. Instead of having people pay tolls, maybe the government should build roads with inverted caternary bumps and sell the square wheels!

  19. Re:Good for elementary schoolers by Defender2000 · · Score: 5, Funny
    Being a bit of a bike nut I notice this bike would have some issues with turning and fixing flats.


    Don't you mean, fixing rounds?

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  20. Web design with Mathematica?!? by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 5, Interesting
    If you follow the link to the designer's own web page, and scroll to the bottom, you see:
    Created by Mathematica (February 3, 2004)

    I just realized that any geek cred I thought I had was just an illusion. I don't ever want to hear jokes about Emacs again. Understand?

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    1. Re:Web design with Mathematica?!? by vanza · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dude, we're talking about *square wheels*. The guy surely is not a big fan of using the right tool for the job (in any situation, it seems).

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    2. Re:Web design with Mathematica?!? by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2, Funny
      I'd say you're right. When all you have is a square, everything begins to look like a fractalated surface?

      If he uses Mathematica for his "real" website, I wonder if he blogs with Octave?

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    3. Re:Web design with Mathematica?!? by passion · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, it appears that he's not alone...

      http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Converted+by+Mat hematica%22

      google returns 10,000+ results for that phrase...

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  21. *BOOM* by H3lldr0p · · Score: 5, Funny
    It was at this point that my brain attempted to explode:

    "So far, no one has found a road-and wheel combination in which the road has the same shape as the wheel."

    1. Re:*BOOM* by derkaas · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It seems like a flat road on a spherical earth would be the same shape.

  22. Tricycle sounds like the Dymaxion Car by G4from128k · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That backwards tricycle sounds like the Buckminster Fuler's Dymaxian Car. That beast was designed for minimum air resistance. Also having the two wheels in front provides better stability when cornering during hard braking. Still, tricycles do have some roll-over stability problems because the CG is closer to the sides of the wheelbase.

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    1. Re:Tricycle sounds like the Dymaxion Car by CastrTroy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Except for the fact that the post is messed up, and the bike is actually an normal tricycle, with 1 front, and 2 rear wheels

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  23. Old News! by back_pages · · Score: 4, Funny

    I've seen the South Park kids travel to French Canada. They have square wheels on their bicycles as well as their cars. I really don't see what the big excitement is all about.

  24. old joke by Al+Al+Cool+J · · Score: 3, Funny

    They should have used triangular wheels. One less bump.

  25. Re:Groklaw? by kgarcia · · Score: 3, Informative

    they are both radio blog themes, based on Bryan Bell's Woodland's Theme

  26. Elegant solution- by baudilus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    While a mathematical solution is technically perfect, I can think of an easy way to determine the requisite road shape: use a square wooden block, cut a hole in teh center so you can roll it, then do so over a reasonably soft surface. You can even observe how the shape of the catenaries elongates as the rotational speed stays constant but the horizontal velocity increases. Would be fun for downhill rides. :)

  27. Duh, physics class 101 by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Every college physics class has one day where they talk about this,where the road is lumpy in a specific way, and then the bicycle with square wheels can drive. You know what else has a smooth ride? the space shuttle crawler. If you weigh enough, you just crush anything that would otherwise be a bump. I'll be happy when I see a vehicle besides a tank whose method of ground contact changes shape to accommodate for the road (i.e. tank tread on a bicycle). That would be sweet!

    http://www.fulcrumgallery.com

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    1. Re:Duh, physics class 101 by el-spectre · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Check this out. So far as I know, you still use the original shocks and stuff, so the ride would be fairly smooth...

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  28. Finally we get some improvements! by comedian23 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I was wondering when someone was going to get around to improving the wheel. The current version is so impractical, inefficient, and has such a limited range of applications it has been screaming for a face-lift. Someone get this guy a $250 million research grant ASAP!!!

  29. Re:WORTHLESS HORSESHIT! by Mr.+Darl+McBride · · Score: 2, Funny
    what's with you fucktarded slashdot people? what moron would make a fucking bike with fucking square wheels?
    If you've ever tried to bicycle across giant corrugated steel planes like I have, you would recognize the value of this contribution.

    Now if only the train to Chicago didn't run 1/3 as fast as the train to New York and leave 2 hours earlier.

  30. Meow/Chirp, Meow/Chirp by malia8888 · · Score: 5, Funny
    From the article: A square wheel can roll smoothly, keeping the axle moving in a straight line and at a constant velocity, if it travels over evenly spaced bumps of just the right shape. This special shape is called an inverted catenary.

    Dear Esteemed Committee: I would like a million dollar grant. As a good geneticist I am going to see if I can cross a cat with a canary. I will call it "cantenary"! (Since you refused my grant for the monkey with four asses research) Part bird and part cat--that is something useful. Regards, Dr. Mephisto...

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  31. wrong description of the trike by gosand · · Score: 4, Informative
    The Math Trek section of Science News Online tells us more about this strange bicycle -- actually a tricycle with two front wheels and one back wheel.

    It actually has 1 front wheel and two rear wheels.

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  32. A Lesson about Inventions by Esion+Modnar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The best ones conform the invention's design to fit the environment, not the other way round.

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  33. Reminds me of the british 20p coin by Funkitup · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This coin has 7 sides so you wouldn't expect it to roll smoothly.

    However, they are cleverly made so that the diameter is equal right the way around the coin. Therefore, since the center of mass doesn't move, the coin will roll smoothly in slot machines etc. Try it!

    I'm not sure whether the 50p is the same or not. I don't have one in my wallet to test as I used it to buy a packet of wine gums...

    MMmmmm wine gums...

  34. It's open to the public -- you can go ride it! by melquiades · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I believe it's still sitting in the basement-level lobby of the Olin/Rice building at Macalester. You can just walk up and give it a ride.

    In practice, it doesn't work perfectly: the wheels slip a bit on the upslope. But if you get a bit of speed, it rolls along nicely! Quite fun.

  35. Reuleaux Triangle by ortholattice · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Also neat is the Reuleaux Triangle that is not round but even so has a constant width as it rotates. If it is used as a roller between two planks, it will roll smoothly and the distance between the planks will remain constant. This java applet demonstrates it.

  36. Gear and rack by Animats · · Score: 3, Informative
    This is a gear and rack assembly. It's a funny shaped one, but it's a gear and rack.

    Standard gear and rack interaction is well understood. Racks are usually straight-sided, while gear teeth are involute curves. Two gears which will mesh with the same straight-sided rack will mesh properly with each other. This fact reduces the size of simple gear inventories from O(N^2) to O(N).

    "Mesh properly" has a specific meaning. There has to be contact on both sides of each gear tooth when the axes of the meshing gears are a constant distance apart. Getting this right improves gear life by orders of magnitude.

    There's a nice little section in the back of every Boston Gear catalog which explains all this. Available online, too.

    Nonstandard rack shapes are rare, but not unheard of. The drive system on the IBM RS-1 electrohydraulic gantry robot used a curved-sided rack.

  37. Let me be the one to point out the obvious, by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 2, Insightful

    way

    too

    much

    time

    on

    his

    hands.

  38. Square Wheel? by Himring · · Score: 5, Informative

    Ok, I'm risk asking this, but by definition, a "wheel" cannot be "square...."

    wheel

    n.

    1. A solid disk or a rigid circular ring connected by spokes to a hub, designed to turn around an axle passed through the center.


    And, without pasting it too, a disk must be circular....

    So, whatever those things are on that bicycle frame, they are not wheels

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  39. huge nitpick: you are both wrong by mattyp · · Score: 5, Interesting
    movement of the center of mass nor axle has anything to do with smoothness: it's movement of the rider.

    20 or 30 years ago (i searched the web, sorry, couldn't find) honda (an engineer there, for an internal contest) built a bicycle with square wheels that rode smoothly on a flat surface. It worked with a cam on the swingarm, so the axle could move up and down while rolling, and the bike frame (and rider) stayed level. I'm sure the center of mass also moved.

  40. Finally! by freeze128 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    YES! Finally a way to take the speedbumps as fast as I want!

  41. Lets get wild with the sides. by acarrig · · Score: 5, Funny
    This whole 4 sided wheel thing is great. But lets keep going.

    If 4 wheels needs small hills to run on.... lets add a side so we have 5 sides. 5 sides will need smaller hills saving material in the rebiuld the road project.

    And if 5 saves materal lets keep adding sides... 6, 8, 20, 100, 1000. Imagine how small the hills will be... we don't need to redo the roads as much.

    Infact if we keep adding sides... we'll get.... a circular wheel... with no need to change the roads.

    Well. That was easy.

  42. Bigger nitpick, you're confused. by black+mariah · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What you're talking about is, in essence, a suspension system. Which is used to overcome a rough ride. What you're all trying to say is "The smoothness of a ride is determined by how much axle movement is passed along to the rider". Or something like that.

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    1. Re:Bigger nitpick, you're confused. by Cecil · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're a victim of definition creep. What you're actually talking about a shock absorber, which is a specfic subset, or perhaps even just a specific component, of a modern suspension system. There is nothing saying that a suspension system must be flexible, nor that it must do anything other than suspend the rider and frame in the air. A chromoly fork is a suspension system, albeit one that is poor at shock absorption (And conversely excellent at shock transmission!)

      A rotating cam designed to smooth out bumps inherent to the wheel isn't fundamentally much different than a spring designed to smooth out bumps inherent to the road, except that because the bumps inherent to the wheel are calculated and predictable, a spring would be a poor solution. The road bumps, on the other hand, can't really be predicted, so it needs a more flexible (no pun intended) method of shock absorption.

      Pointless little sidenote: As far as I can see, if you had a square-wheel bike with a correcting cam, and ran it over the bumpy road described in the article, the wheel would ride smoothly, and the cam would overcorrect, so you would still need a shock absorber to go over that road. It'd just be bumping in the opposite phase compared to a normal tire. ;)

  43. Re:wheels are closed topology, roads are open by L0C0loco · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "I don't get this part. A wheel is a small closed shape, you go once around it and you're back where you started from. On the other hand, a road has to GO somewhere along the ground - if it was a closed shape suspended in the air then you would fall off when you come around to the bottom side of it - so of COURSE they can't be the same shape - one has to have open topology and one has to have closed topology."

    Well, no. The wheel is merely a periodic shape that repeats every 2*pi radians in polar coordinates. It can be just as "open" and the road.

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  44. Re:Reminds me of the british 20p coin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Eeghh, cmon Mods. +4 Interesting? At least it wasn't informative. Look at the coin, where is the center of mass? In the center! What happens when the coin rolls? The center moves up and down. What happens to the center of mass? It MOVES! What the equal diameter allows you to do is roll something flat over a coin and not have -that- move vertically, but the CM of the coin will move.

  45. Leno by comron · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This was done years ago on the Tonight Show by Leno's science guy.

  46. And... by Bluesman · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...to improve his "ride," Stan Wagon will be adding a "spoiler" (shaped like a rectangle) and a cylindrical exhaust "muffler" to make the vehicle more appealing to "the bitches."

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  47. Re:Lets get wild with the sides - fractals by SmackCrackandPot · · Score: 2, Funny

    But if we use a fractal patterned tread, we'll need an infinite amount of road surface!

  48. Smartwheels! by Behrooz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I vote for the smartwheels with zillions of radar-guided extending foot-spokes, a'la Hiro's motorcycle or Y.T's skateboard in Snow Crash.

    I'd say being able to skateboard smoothly down stairs would probably give you the upper hand in the simpler conditions of municipal roadway battles.

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  49. Errant pedant prompts Lakatos reference by melquiades · · Score: 2, Insightful

    OK, so the parent post was kind of silly, but it gives me a chance to mention Imre Lakatos, my favorite mathematical philosopher. (Yes, I have a favorite favorite mathematical philosopher. Don't you?)

    He wrote a marvelous little book called Proofs and Refutations -- here's a very brief bit of summary and context -- which present a very interesting very of the process of mathematical discovery: instead of accumulating an ever-increasing series of perfect truths, he argues, mathematicians are constantly shifting their perceptions of what is true, because they're constantly shifting the very definitions of the things they're writing the proofs about. (This happened in a major way with calculus during the 19th century, for example, when limits, derivatives and integrals were redefined more formally, giving birth to the field of analysis.)

    The book is a lot of fun, and actually not such a hard read. It takes place in an imaginary classroom, where the students and the professor, having just proved a simple little theorem about polyhedra, start coming up with counterexamples by "stretching" their notion of what a polyhedron is. (Should a cylinder be a polyhedron? Why not? What about a box with a box-shaped hole on the inside? etc.)

    Through their arguments, they end up sharpening the definition of "polyhedron", eventually replacing their naive notion with something clearer and more formalized through a process of proofs and refutations.

    So, Stan Wagon challenges our definition of "wheel" with an apparent counterexample: Does the bike have no wheels? Or are wheels not round? We might propose sharpening the definition of "wheel" to account for the new counterexample:

    A wheel is a solid object designed to rotate about an axle, with its perimeter in constant contact with some other surface.

    (Make a ridiculous post, get a ridiculous reply!)