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Java Evangelist Leaves Sun After MS Settlement

Posted by simoniker on from the shifting-into-shade dept.

aeoo writes "The Register says that Rich Green, the vice president of developer platforms and the major public voice for Java is 'quitting Sun in disgust' due to the recent settlement between Sun and Microsoft. The article hints that there may be more to follow. On the other hand, there is an article at eWeek with a different slant, saying that Rich Green tendered his resignation prior to the settlement. What impact, if any, will this have on open sourcing Java? It looks like Sun is still considering it."

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  1. Copy/Paste is "Insightful" now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Parent post taken verbatim from http://www.theregister.com/content/7/36777.html

  2. Re:I, too, would have quit in disgust by justMichael · · Score: 4, Informative

    He didn't leave in disgust. It clearly states in the article that:

    In fact, the Santa Clara, Calif.-based company said Green played an essential role in Sun's negotiations with Microsoft to come to last week's 10-year, $1.6 billion deal.

    ...

    Meanwhile, Sun would not disclose where Green was going, but said the company has held the position "for quite a while" for him. Said one source: "He didn't want to leave until the Microsoft deal was done."

    He was merely finishing his current project.

  3. Re:Bigger Timber Falling by JohnnyCannuk · · Score: 2, Informative

    Uhm, Johnathan Schwartz got a promotion. It's mentioned in the second line of the first parargraph of the article you linked to. You know, right after it says he's being replaced in the first line...

    Talk about RTFA...

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  4. Re:Cat got your tongue? by be-fan · · Score: 2, Informative

    Eh? Paren-counting only happens with dumb editors. Lisp *requires* a smart editor to use. In return, it gives you a lot of benefit (ease of editing without using mouse, *macros*). However, if you still think Lisp is really wonderful except for its syntax, try Dylan.

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  5. Re:shrug by HeadDown · · Score: 2, Informative

    If they ever get around to releasing it, XWT, recently renamed to Ibex, would be just that.

  6. Re:Not just time... by Da+Fokka · · Score: 2, Informative

    .NET started out bad and just continued. VB/C/C++ programmers did not move over in droves as planned and STILL have not. I have yet to find a good reason why they should.
    I am currently developing applications on .NET and I have to say I'm very happy with it. .NET delivers in terms of productivity. I love C# and VB.net isn't that bad (and I _HATE_ VB6). Fact of the matter is, for a lot of applications .NET gives more productivity for the buck and that's what counts in business.

  7. Re:Not just time... by Javagator · · Score: 2, Informative
    VB/C/C++ programmers did not move over in droves as planned and STILL have not. I have yet to find a good reason why they should

    Our project is currently using VB6 and C++/COM for our development, and is considering moving to .Net/C#. C# is a much more powerful language than VB6, and is less error prone than C++. Developing in C# is a lot cleaner than developing in COM. You also have a huge integrated, well documented, class library available. The major hang up is that we have a lot of legacy code that will have to be integrated somehow. We don't have a plan for that yet.

  8. Re:Not just time... by citog · · Score: 2, Informative

    Troll is a bit unfair ... it was funnier than the usual +5 Funny repeats ...

  9. Re:open sourcing Java by fforw · · Score: 2, Informative
    It's not about what you can do with it - it's about having a reliable platform even in the case Sun make up their minds or go broke.
    Why do so many linux users take it as a personal insult when someone refuses to give them something for free? (Code, music, movies, whatever.)
    you are mixing up issues with can't be discussed with such broad strokes.

    copyright was meant to serve society by giving the copyright holder a limited monopoly on his work and therefore encouraging development of new works. As it is nowadays, copyright is used to perpetuate commercialisation of existing works while cutting in the rights of others to build deriative worksafter a reasonable time frame. The combination with patents leads to the exact opposite of its original intention.

    that's why many people are seriously pissed.

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  10. Re:Not just time... by sbrown123 · · Score: 2, Informative


    the one advantage here is that capability will be built into the OS as opposed to people having to install and Configure Webstart - I think that will give .NET a slight advantage.

    Webstart requires no configuration at the client end. After they install java, you can put a link on a web page or a email and webstart will install and run the application. Its pretty simple actually.

    I have read about Microsoft building something similiar. I think its called ActiveStart. Theres a few issues though. Unlike Java, .NET is not backwards compatible. This means you must upgrade all apps to the current version of the runtime and have every client in the same version. Also, you cannot have multiple versions of .NET on the same computer.


    MSFT and SUN affects both development paths in the future. I think the two wildcards longterm will be IBM and Novell - both of which have their own Linux/JAVA/MONO/etc. initiatives.

    Yep. I have noticed, and this is scary, IBM and Novell talking a bit as of late. If IBM buys Novell we could end up with an interesting market.