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Lindows Agreeing to Change Name

xandroid writes "It looks like Lindows.com has thrown in the towel for the fight to keep its name: the Seattle Times reports that they 'would not continue a worldwide legal battle with Microsoft.' They will announce the new name next Wednesday, although a favorite is Lindos -- 'because it's the W that is causing all the problems'." Update: 04/07 19:37 GMT by S : This is worth clarifying - Michael Robertson is claiming "...the company will go by a different name outside the U.S. until it can win the right to use the Lindows name internationally."

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  1. Winux isnt the future by stecoop · · Score: 5, Funny

    because it's the W that is causing all the problems

    So the name isn't going to be Winux - because problems with Ws.

    1. Re:Winux isnt the future by Bob+McCown · · Score: 5, Funny
      I can see the ads now:

      Winux. The Opewating System fow Centuwions!

      -Biggus Dickus

    2. Re:Winux isnt the future by red+floyd · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, that would by by Pilate.

      Biggus Dickus would say,

      "Linux. The Operating Thythtem for Thenturionth!"

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    3. Re:Winux isnt the future by VValdo · · Score: 5, Funny

      So the name isn't going to be Winux

      Winux Is Not... Uh... Xenix?

      W

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    4. Re:Winux isnt the future by Gildor · · Score: 5, Funny

      Be vewy vewy quiet...i'm installing winux!

    5. Re:Winux isnt the future by cshark · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That would be funny.

      I do need to take issue with Robertson's stance that Microsoft will sue anyone in the desktop space. You'll notice for example, that they haven't sued Xandros and Mandrake. Gee, I wonder why. Could it be that their names don't rhyme with Microsoft's flag ship product?!

      Generic term or not, if you name your competing operating system anything that even remotely sounds like Windows, you're begging for a Microsoft law suit. And I think Robertson knows it. I just wish he could be honest about it.

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    6. Re:Winux isnt the future by Short+Circuit · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm thinking "Lindoze" would be great. If Microsoft went after them for similarity to "Windoze", I'd laught till I fell off my chair.

      (And I'm on a high chair at a sign-in desk, atm.)

    7. Re:Winux isnt the future by aaamr · · Score: 5, Funny

      How about LindoUUs

      It's a double-U, not a W.

  2. This seemed kind of inevitable. by The+I+Shing · · Score: 4, Funny

    I always kind of figured that Lindows would have to cave eventually. Microsoft is just too big and powerful to square off with over the name of a product, and I'm surprised that someone would create a name so obviously based on Microsoft's main product without considering the fact that the software giant would be almost forced to take legal action.

    Instead of Lindos, how about Lindros? They could use the handsome face of the Canadian-born New York Ranger as their logo, but what slogan would they use? Maybe something about hacking?

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  3. If it's the last "w" that's causing the problem... by bc90021 · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...why not just call it "Windos"? ;)

  4. That W by BrodyVess · · Score: 5, Funny

    Strange- the American economy and international reputation has the same issue. Its that W. thats causing all the problems

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  5. Score one for Microsoft by dasmegabyte · · Score: 5, Funny

    Finally, a win for the little guy!

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  6. New Name Announced by swordboy · · Score: 4, Funny

    The new name will now be:

    Wierdows

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    1. Re:New Name Announced by jc42 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, I think it should be Lindoze.

      After all, to challenge this, MS would have to acknowledge the widely-used "Windoze" mispeling of their trademark name.

      Of course, there's always Mike Rowe to think of. And there's a nice parody of it all at www.ubersoft.net.

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  7. It's the W that's causing all the problem by DRUNK_BEAR · · Score: 5, Funny

    Am I the only one who sees a connection with US politicians?? :P

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  8. Lindos by kjdames · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Won't "Lindos" be just as scrutinized by Microsoft? After all, MikeRoweSoft was shot down, showing that a phonetic similarity is just as condemning as anything else.

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    1. Re:Lindos by dozing · · Score: 4, Informative
      Won't "Lindos" be just as scrutinized...

      If you read the most recent Michael's Minute You'll see the following:

      Selecting a new name is more complex then you might think. A few weeks ago we asked for suggestions, and we were flooded with some creative ideas. My favorite was one user writing in to say our name should be "lindos" and our new slogan should be "because it's the W that is causing all the problems." :-) Finding a unique name for which domain names and trademarks are available takes real searching. We're now reviewing candidates and we will identify our new international name on April 14th. --Michael Robertson

      I take this to mean that Mr. Robertson found Lindos amusing, but does not intend to use it as the Product's new name.

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  9. Here's a good name.. by ganiman · · Score: 5, Funny

    LinDOES

    because WinCANT

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  10. Re:lindos eh by PitaBred · · Score: 4, Insightful

    DOS is just an acronym for Disk Operating System... if Caldera could/can have DR-DOS without copyright problems, I think Lindos would be pretty unencumbered.
    Random thought: Why does everyone say IANAL? Wouldn't it be easier to assume no one is a lawyer unless they say otherwise?

  11. As long as they by beforewisdom · · Score: 5, Funny

    don't choose "firebird" I think they will be okay

  12. NotWindows by debaere · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think the new name should be NotWindows.

    How can they complain? Its obviously not windows, right? :)

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  13. From the "Michael's Minute" Email Group by baudilus · · Score: 4, Informative
    I downloaded LindowsOS that one day that they were offering for free (still haven't installed it), and I get these periodic emails from Michael Robertson (ceo Lindows?). This is the entire text:

    Michael's Minute: Name Change:

    Last week Judge Coughenour denied our request to block Microsoft's international legal barrage against Lindows.com. Two years ago Microsoft tried to stop Lindows in a U.S. court, but they were denied. Recently, they started piling on lawsuits from around the world attempting to achieve the same result. At the same time, Microsoft is publicly demanding that the EU respect the U.S. court actions concerning their monopolistic behavior and not impose their own rulings. Microsoft hypocritically has no such respect for the U.S. court decision which determined we can operate under the term Lindows pending a final resolution of the litigation.

    Some people may be puzzled about why Microsoft is attacking Lindows and not doing the same for Red Hat - a leading Linux server company. Microsoft has their targets set on Lindows because we are a desktop company. Microsoft has used that desktop dominance to move into other areas and to fund campaigns to wipe out potential competitors (Netscape, Be, Lotus, etc.). Microsoft will attack anything that it believes challenges its desktop monopoly, since it is their life blood. I'm confident that when we get to trial in the U.S., Microsoft employee testimony and internal communications will reveal their true motivations. However it's going to take some time to get resolution due to Microsoft's delay tactics. In the interim, Lindows is unable to fully respond to demand for desktop Linux from countries around the world due to name uncertainty.

    To assure that we can do business globally, we are in the process of selecting a different name for our web presence and product name. I believe it's the only way to respond to an onslaught from such a rich company, since we need to be able to continue to grow our business. (Only one of the richest companies in the world would launch 8 identical lawsuits from different countries.) Our US corporate name will remain Lindows Inc. since we have meaningful name recognition and product distribution.

    Outside the US we will go by a different name until we can battle for the right to use Lindows internationally. The US case will probably take a year to go through the 9th circuit court of appeals and perhaps another year for possible Supreme Court review. Our plan is to go to trial in the US as soon as possible, at which time we hope to get windows declared a generic word. If we win, we plan to approach the State Department and ask them to petition foreign governments to invalidate the windows trademark as they have done for other generic computing terms like "database," "operating system" and "pascal," which companies have tried to register as trademarks in foreign countries.

    Selecting a new name is more complex then you might think. A few weeks ago we asked for suggestions, and we were flooded with some creative ideas. My favorite was one user writing in to say our name should be "lindos" and our new slogan should be "because it's the W that is causing all the problems." :-) Finding a unique name for which domain names and trademarks are available takes real searching. We're now reviewing candidates and we will identify our new international name on April 14th. Once we identify a name, then we'll start the migration. Since we have thousands of web pages and more than 100 servers it will take considerable time to completely transition. The functionality in our product won't change, but outside the US people will know our products by a different name.

    We're not taking this change lightly. We need to keep our business from being held back by legal uncertainty. So visit the website next week, April 14th after 1:00 p.m. PST for the unveiling of our new name.

    -- Michael

    Hopefully this sheds some light.
  14. Another example of how the legal system is FUBAR by Tassach · · Score: 4, Informative

    This just goes to show the fundamental problem with the current legal system: regardless of the merit of their position, the rich can use the courts to impose their will on the poor by killing them with legal fees.

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  15. Am I the only one by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... sick of hearing Robertson whine like the world is out to get him?

    "I believe it's the only way to respond to an onslaught from such a rich company, since we need to be able to continue to grow our business," he said.

    Boo hoo. Who cares what you think of MSFT, they're in the right, IMO. If the OS was called Lacintosh OSX, Apple would do the same thing.

    Selling a "windows replacement" as "lindows" is pushing the line. Myself, I see it as a sleazy attempt to confuse unsavvy K-Mart shoppers into thinking they're getting Windows compatible machine.

    If MS released "Winux" do you think Linus would excercise his TM rights? I do, and he should.

    Screw this guy. He poked a bear with a stick, and is now crying that the bear took a run at him. He should consider himself lucky to get away, company intact, without being mauled.

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    1. Re:Am I the only one by 0x0d0a · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If MS released "Winux" do you think Linus would excercise his TM rights? I do, and he should.

      I don't, any more than I think that Linus would go after "Unix", "A/UX", "AIX", or "Minix", or any more than the holders of those trademarks went after Linus. Somehow, everyone managed to get along with vaguely similar names *except* Microsoft and Robertson.

      I will grant that Robertson is a terribly antagonizing fellow if you're competing with him (his prize to "port Linux to the X-Box via a hardware and software approach" that essentially subsidized a cracking of Microsoft's DRM scheme and their subsequent loss of a lot more than his $100,000 prize, was a slick strategic move but terribly unfriendly).

    2. Re:Am I the only one by sommere · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Except that Microsoft didn't make up the name "windows" it pre-dates Microsoft Windows.

      Next thing, I'll come up with "MyCompany MouseGestures," it will become the most well known mose gesture software, and I'll sue anyone who uses anything that sounds like MouseGestures. Except that I didn't invest MouseGestures, but somehow I've come to own it.

      Microsoft didn't invent windowing operating systems, and it shouldn't get to own the term "windows" just because its windowing operating systems is the most popular and it chose a generic term for its name.

  16. Re:lindos eh by Bingo+Foo · · Score: 4, Funny
    Wouldn't it be easier to assume no one is a lawyer unless they say otherwise?

    Not in America.

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  17. Re:Easy-Linux by loyalsonofrutgers · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ooh, ooh: FireLind. Or, better yet, LindFox.

  18. New name suggestions here! by bangular · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think the solution should be a stab at microsoft. Maybe, "Bill Gates has no penis". Obviously they would have to create a cartoonish character that has the name bill gates, and that would be the particular bill gates in question. So there would be no confusion.

    1. Re:New name suggestions here! by Ernest+P+Worrell · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think you have just come up with the best marketing idea ever. Gosh, who wouldn't buy atleast three copies of a product with a name like that?!?!

      "Phffft, you're running Windows 2005. Lamer! I'm on BillGatesHasNoPenis 2.4, which is so much more superior."

  19. Software naming issues by Chromodromic · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Lindows.com has been asking customers for name suggestions. Robertson said his favorite was that the new name be "Lindos" along with the slogan, "Because it's the W that is causing all the problems."

    Why is it so difficult to find decent software names? Why does Adobe have "Photoshop" and the open source community have "The Gimp", which literally means a person with a limp? Why is there "Oracle" and "SQL Server", one which is cool, both historically and as a product brand, and one which is straightforward and easy to remember (if nothing else), but the OS community as "PostgreSQL"?

    A lot of programmers in the Slashdot community take cheap shots at marketing and this is important, because extreme marketing types can be every bit as annoying as extreme nerds, but it would be nice if it was acknowledged that marketing is, actually, a legitimate discipline and that product naming is important.

    Lindos? So this is the BEST they can do?: Ask the community or drop the 'W'? Come on, guys. You came up with the software, why not make a legitimate effort to take the name seriously?

    Would you go around to all your friends to ask what to name your child? And if you couldn't come up with anything by taking a poll would you just, say, drop the 'H' in John, if that was your first name, and call it done? I mean let's face it, good software is a lot harder to make than a baby, for most of us anyway ...

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  20. Re:Another example of how the legal system is FUBA by GreyWolf3000 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, it was the legal systems in like 6 other countries outside of the United States that was the problem--Lindows was actually holding its ground here in the US.

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  21. Re:If it's the last "w" that's causing the problem by Total_Wimp · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...and then they could make the OS part real big and claim it's Wind OS. To highlight that the real name is really Wind they could have a grassy hill as the background with blue sky and fluffy clouds being blown about.

    Of course, the whole slashdot communty could have a field day saying "WindOS really blows!" but, hey, you can't have everything.

    TW

  22. Clinton and the Bubble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The funny thing is, Clinton gets credit for the bubble like it was real, and W gets blame for the collapse like the prices in March 2000 were supposed to stay that way forever.

    "All I know about W is that when Clinton was president, the Nasdaq was 5000", basically.

    Bubbles are bad, whatever the cause. They cause people to invest time and energy and money in businesses that don't actually produce as much resources as they consume. (If the businesses turn out to be profitable and the stock prices don't collapse in the long run, then it's not a bubble!) The bubble is a flight from reality, and the collapse is a return to reality.

  23. Lindovvs by Nick+Driver · · Score: 5, Funny

    L i n d o v v s

  24. marketing by MenTaLguY · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When Inkscape forked from Sodipodi, we were fortunate enough to have folks with both solid technical and marketing/graphic design backgrounds, so we put a lot of thought into branding up-front, as well as the technical issues.

    That probably wouldn't have happened years ago -- "Inkscape" could just as easily have been named "VectorPIMP".

    There's a similar increase in Human Interface factors in recent OSS work. Classic projects like the GIMP are simply beholden to old (bad) UI and marketing decisions.

    So, just give it time. Things are improving.

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  25. Re:If it's the last "w" that's causing the problem by NoData · · Score: 4, Funny

    problem with Wind OS is that it sounds too much like "Wind Aw's" which is awful close to "Wind Ass" if you're British. Maybe that's OK, though.

    Other ideas:

    Wind Owes
    Wind O's
    Win Does (like the deer)
    Win Doh's!
    Or, for the far east flavor,
    Nguyen Doze

  26. Naming can be Important by mopslik · · Score: 4, Funny

    Don't put so much stock in a name, its not all that important.

    I don't know about that. Take Phoenix Air for example. I don't know about you, but any airline named after a bird that burts into flames and plummets down from the sky won't be getting my business anytime soon.