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Lindows Agreeing to Change Name
xandroid writes "It looks like Lindows.com has thrown in the towel for the fight to keep its name: the Seattle Times reports that they 'would not continue a worldwide legal battle with Microsoft.' They will announce the new name next Wednesday, although a favorite is Lindos -- 'because it's the W that is causing all the problems'." Update: 04/07 19:37 GMT by S : This is worth clarifying - Michael Robertson is claiming "...the company will go by a different name outside the U.S. until it can win the right to use the Lindows name internationally."
because it's the W that is causing all the problems
So the name isn't going to be Winux - because problems with Ws.
I always kind of figured that Lindows would have to cave eventually. Microsoft is just too big and powerful to square off with over the name of a product, and I'm surprised that someone would create a name so obviously based on Microsoft's main product without considering the fact that the software giant would be almost forced to take legal action.
Instead of Lindos, how about Lindros? They could use the handsome face of the Canadian-born New York Ranger as their logo, but what slogan would they use? Maybe something about hacking?
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Enough like the old one to retain the brand recognition, and they can point out it is LindOS, if MS comes a-suing again. Of course, the question is "will it keep sucking?" ;)
From 2003, when Robertson (of Lindows fame) answered /. questions he said, "When we started Lindows.com we believed that software installation was extremely difficult for most users".
To me this shows that Robertson is making his money on the connection between Linux, Windows and Lindows; by bridging the gap between the ease of windows and the better systemic designs of Linux. Therefore without the perfect name, Lindows may vanish into obscurity; but is a name that important? I think so, I don't think so... it doesn't matter really, does it? What to call it? How about Easy-Linux? Lindos won't work either, because it's got DOS in it...
...why not just call it "Windos"? ;)
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Strange- the American economy and international reputation has the same issue. Its that W. thats causing all the problems
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Finally, a win for the little guy!
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The new name will now be:
Wierdows
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Am I the only one who sees a connection with US politicians?? :P
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Won't "Lindos" be just as scrutinized by Microsoft? After all, MikeRoweSoft was shot down, showing that a phonetic similarity is just as condemning as anything else.
Typos... that's just how I role.
LinDOES
because WinCANT
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DOS is just an acronym for Disk Operating System... if Caldera could/can have DR-DOS without copyright problems, I think Lindos would be pretty unencumbered.
Random thought: Why does everyone say IANAL? Wouldn't it be easier to assume no one is a lawyer unless they say otherwise?
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Someone give the entire company a moderation of "+1, Troll", thanks :)
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I think the new name should be NotWindows.
:)
How can they complain? Its obviously not windows, right?
DOS is dead, and no one cares...
If there's a Bourne Shell, I'll see you there
Strike W from Windows and you get INDOS, which is an accurate description of the product.
Hopefully this sheds some light.
This just goes to show the fundamental problem with the current legal system: regardless of the merit of their position, the rich can use the courts to impose their will on the poor by killing them with legal fees.
Why is it that the proponents of "one nation under God" are so eager to get rid of "liberty and justice for all"?
... sick of hearing Robertson whine like the world is out to get him?
"I believe it's the only way to respond to an onslaught from such a rich company, since we need to be able to continue to grow our business," he said.
Boo hoo. Who cares what you think of MSFT, they're in the right, IMO. If the OS was called Lacintosh OSX, Apple would do the same thing.
Selling a "windows replacement" as "lindows" is pushing the line. Myself, I see it as a sleazy attempt to confuse unsavvy K-Mart shoppers into thinking they're getting Windows compatible machine.
If MS released "Winux" do you think Linus would excercise his TM rights? I do, and he should.
Screw this guy. He poked a bear with a stick, and is now crying that the bear took a run at him. He should consider himself lucky to get away, company intact, without being mauled.
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Not in America.
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I think the solution should be a stab at microsoft. Maybe, "Bill Gates has no penis". Obviously they would have to create a cartoonish character that has the name bill gates, and that would be the particular bill gates in question. So there would be no confusion.
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Ford also couldn't get GT-40 back from a pretty small company.
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Why is it so difficult to find decent software names? Why does Adobe have "Photoshop" and the open source community have "The Gimp", which literally means a person with a limp? Why is there "Oracle" and "SQL Server", one which is cool, both historically and as a product brand, and one which is straightforward and easy to remember (if nothing else), but the OS community as "PostgreSQL"?
A lot of programmers in the Slashdot community take cheap shots at marketing and this is important, because extreme marketing types can be every bit as annoying as extreme nerds, but it would be nice if it was acknowledged that marketing is, actually, a legitimate discipline and that product naming is important.
Lindos? So this is the BEST they can do?: Ask the community or drop the 'W'? Come on, guys. You came up with the software, why not make a legitimate effort to take the name seriously?
Would you go around to all your friends to ask what to name your child? And if you couldn't come up with anything by taking a poll would you just, say, drop the 'H' in John, if that was your first name, and call it done? I mean let's face it, good software is a lot harder to make than a baby, for most of us anyway ...
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We're talking about politics, right?
Lindizzle!
At one point, Lindows had been taking the position that Lindows could not be infringing upon the Windows trademark, because Windows was itself an invalid trademark (already being a common term within the computer industry before MS started using it). I had really wanted to see how this played out. I think Lindows was correct on this assessment; MS was improperly granted a trademark on an already-existing term from that field. On the other hand, there is now so much business, brand recognition, and so forth built upon that trademark by now that the situation would be very difficult to correct, even if MS's hordes of attorneys failed to convince the judge to leave the situation be. The legal questions raised in that particular side of the case was what I was most interested in hearing the answers to, but now it's not something we're likely to see addressed.
That's what i was going to ask. Windows does not instantly imply Microsoft. To me, windows are used to look out of. Although there are similarities which are pretty funny. Windows are fragile and break easily. I guess the software is aptly named but i can't see how they can use windows as a trademark without the microsoft. IANAL but i was always curious about that.
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Lindos Electronics make high-end pro-audio test equipment. They have done for over 25 years.
Actually, it was the legal systems in like 6 other countries outside of the United States that was the problem--Lindows was actually holding its ground here in the US.
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Microsoft owns "MS-DOS", but there have been many other DOS products (DR-DOS comes to mind). DOS is simply an acronym for Disk Operating System. In a very real way, Linux is, at least partially, a DOS, as are any other operating systems that run on a disk. The term just isn't used anymore because nobody wants to have anything to do with it, since it implies old MS-DOS for most.
Then again, I thought windows were pretty generic too...
Giving a more respectable name will give it a better reputation, and will make it more recognisable as a brand. Red Hat, Mandrake, SuSE and Java Desktop all are famous Linux brands, Lindows will have to follow in their footsteps!
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During the Anti-trust proceedings, MS gave "make work" projects to all available Anti-Trust Lawyers that they could find. That way, the procecution couldn't find any lawyers to help them.
I wouldn't be suprised if MS went out an Trade Marked, Copyrighted or Patented any possible variations of Windows
Bindows, Cindows, Dindows, Findows, Gindows...
lindose, lindoz, lindohs, lindOS, lind0Z
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With all due respect sir,
:p) or any other Distro.
I personnaly think that Lindows is good.
Lindows isn't Gentoo, RedHat, SuSE or Mandrake (..well screw that last two
Lindows is Lindows, Linux equivalent to Windows and most promising replacement OS for the average joe who does not want to take control on the computer.
The average joe wants a safe computer on which he can send email, browse the net and play solitaire...Lindows can do that and in the mean time proves that Linux can be usable by the non-technical folks.
plus, it offers a nice transition between windows & linux, you begin to understand how it works but still behind the comfort of a gui, wizards....etc.
Then, when you are ready, you jump in the bigger stuff.
Truly your appear to be a linux user and that's great. We respect the fact that you know a lot of stuff and are very technical, but linux NEEDS distros like Lindows to gain popularity and popular support.
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Don't be so sure eliminating the "W" will solve the problem. In order to avoid trademark law problems, people who are selecting a name for a business, product or service are advised to search for and avoid names that "are phonetically similar (spelled differently but pronounced the same or similar; homonyms)." [See also "Synonyms or homonyms."]
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It remins me of that story...
Guy asks to change his name...
Judge: It's not like that we need proof that your name is a bad one.
Guy: My name is Johm Crap
Judge: Yes, we'll change it right away. What would you like to be your new name?
Guy: Jack Crap...
how long until
...and then they could make the OS part real big and claim it's Wind OS. To highlight that the real name is really Wind they could have a grassy hill as the background with blue sky and fluffy clouds being blown about.
Of course, the whole slashdot communty could have a field day saying "WindOS really blows!" but, hey, you can't have everything.
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Uh oh, I don't think LinDOS would please Microsoft, they are going to complain it infringes on their DOS copyright. And besides, now all the techies are going to think its a dos emulator for linux or something. Since it will now be the D that is causing trouble I suggest they take out the D and become LinOS. But then MS will complain it sounds too much like WinOS or something. So I suggest the just change the name to L. Microsoft cannot complain at all about the L. You could even call the theL that would be kinda catchy.
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Gazziza Dilznoofus! Get with the crezappy power of Wiznitch OS... Wiznitch got tha upstate prison flavor that keeps you ugly all night long. So when you wanna get sick remember, nothing makes yo' feet stank like Wiznitch OS... DAMN! It's crezappy!!!"
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How about !Windows, cause then it could not be any clearer that is has nothing to do with windows.
Windows has hit an all time low, Good bye they said to the resturant Rob Lowe's!
"It's time to get them!" screamed 3M as they sue'ed their neighbors Aunt Em and IBM.
Cargill's fighting just the same, It appears Hank Hill is in the chill.
Burn those CDs Nero's dad said. Ahead get to burnin' but ahh then again. Now Bevis and Butthead are raging again, heard something something about thier big old heads.
Who's next, The Not-So-Soft Concrete company? I might see, but Too close to Microsoft, tee-hee.
Miramax and Cinamax, and Climax oh my, who will win that one, which one will die.
Honda sues Fonda and Ford sues the Lord, Paul Ruben is suing sandwich shops in accord with clock but a tick but that can't be cuz of BiC who sue the tick-tock if the Stanley's did sue cuz of their locks!
So how till Sony starts claim their ponies are phonies and sue dead Sonny for money cuz it's just not so funny while Cher start gearing for Sharepoint's ever pending sue fest and hearings on whether the only word that in english can be used is the single word...
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The funny thing is, Clinton gets credit for the bubble like it was real, and W gets blame for the collapse like the prices in March 2000 were supposed to stay that way forever.
"All I know about W is that when Clinton was president, the Nasdaq was 5000", basically.
Bubbles are bad, whatever the cause. They cause people to invest time and energy and money in businesses that don't actually produce as much resources as they consume. (If the businesses turn out to be profitable and the stock prices don't collapse in the long run, then it's not a bubble!) The bubble is a flight from reality, and the collapse is a return to reality.
When Apple was developing the Power Macintosh 7100, the interal code name for the computer was "Sagan", in honor of Carl Sagan. Carl Sagan sued and lost. Apple changed the name to "Butthead Astronomer". Sagan sued again, this time for libel, and lost again. So the the law will look the other way for more creative names. For example... DieRedmondDie, GatesUX, SueThis, BlueScreenOfDeath, BorgLawyer, or RedmondKeepYourHandsOffMyComputer. No law suit fodder here.
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OSS developers always seem to pick the most moronic names.
That's because whenever we pick a simple, obvious name, Microsoft takes it and sues us for using it.
There is a long list of MS trade names that were used by someone else before MS started using the name. The most egregious is probably "Personal Computer", which was used by all the small-computer makers before MS took it over. And DOS was used as an OS name by many other vendors before MS claimed it; it was the industry-standard TLA for Disk Operating System in the days when many computers didn't automatically come with a disk.
The lesson is that you don't want to use a trademark that Microsoft will want. If you do, you either give it to them when they ask, or they'll bankrupt you with legal fees. Granted, they're likely to do that anyway, but you don't have to give them an easy excuse.
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LindOs (put a line above the O). That way, it's pronounced exactly the same.
When Inkscape forked from Sodipodi, we were fortunate enough to have folks with both solid technical and marketing/graphic design backgrounds, so we put a lot of thought into branding up-front, as well as the technical issues.
That probably wouldn't have happened years ago -- "Inkscape" could just as easily have been named "VectorPIMP".
There's a similar increase in Human Interface factors in recent OSS work. Classic projects like the GIMP are simply beholden to old (bad) UI and marketing decisions.
So, just give it time. Things are improving.
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I'm used to referring to the X system as "X Windows". Why doesn't Microsoft go after this name? Is it older than Microsoft Windows, or is it just that no one uses it commercially? Also, the are a lot of programs that claim to be "Window Managers" (e.g. twm, fvwm), which in combination with X, have basically the same functionality as MS Windows.
So either all these programs are also breaking Microsofts trademark, or that trademark is invalid (since it implies that "window" is a pretty generic word referring to the type of interface used by all the aforementioned systems).
"I can't believe it's not windows"...
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WedHat
Winux
Whoa, I just realized how bad guys with speech impediments must hate this whole open source thing. Does any one high up in MS have one? Is the reason they gave IE away free that Ballmer got tired of the laughing when he said "Netscwape" in meetings?
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problem with Wind OS is that it sounds too much like "Wind Aw's" which is awful close to "Wind Ass" if you're British. Maybe that's OK, though.
Other ideas:
Wind Owes
Wind O's
Win Does (like the deer)
Win Doh's!
Or, for the far east flavor,
Nguyen Doze
SoSu Me
Ahh.. The mind what a wonderful trap!
"The Operating System Formally Known as Lindows"
...and call it Lindoze?
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I suppose "Windex" is out of the question?
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Would that be spweading Fudd?
Tweet, tweet.
Don't put so much stock in a name, its not all that important.
I don't know about that. Take Phoenix Air for example. I don't know about you, but any airline named after a bird that burts into flames and plummets down from the sky won't be getting my business anytime soon.
"We all know that Microsoft doesn't have a leg to stand on regarding rhyming OS names."
That's not true. There may be a weakness there, but saying they don't have a leg to stand on is ridiculous. Don't believe me? Then think about a company you don't hate, like Palm. Why is their trademark okay but Windows isn't?
That's not the real crux of the matter, though. Simply put, Lindows' motivation was malicious. Here's a few little facts:
- Microsoft has had the Windows trademark for a few years now. Not to mention that their de-facto monopoly status strengthens the notion that they own that name.
- Lindows is meant to be very much like Windows, to the point that users can have a hard time telling the difference, especially if they went to Walmart and bought one of those PCs.
- The CEO of Lindows put up $250,000 to reward somebody for hacking the X-BOX. I don't know if that would make it into court over this matter or not, but he still intentionally set out to do Microsoft harm.
It would be awful if Lindows won this case without any reprecussions for the intentional bullying they were trying to do. I know it's fun to hate Microsoft and all, but this form of litiguous bs is exactly what you're mad at SCO for. Don't let Lindows ruin the reputation of the Linux/Open Source Communities.
"Derp de derp."
"Lindos" means "beautiful" in Portuguese.
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Y'know, you can pop the key cap off quite easily with a knife blade or screwdriver, and press a new one in place. It can be fun to do this with a few of the odd keys on someone's keyboard. I knew someone once who liked the Dvorak keyboard, and moved all the key caps around on his keyboard to match that layout. Impressed the hell out of most visitors. I had this temptation to sneak in one day and move them all back, just to see the reaction.
Maybe someone should start making key caps with little Tux logos on them, for when you install linux and don't want that damned Windows logo to be on your nice machine.
A problem we have around our house is a cockatiel who sneaks in when he thinks you can't catch him, and pops off the key caps. So far we've always found them, but some day he's going to fly off with one and hide it. Or he'll figure out how to put them back on.
I have seen some replacement keys that say "Any".
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