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FAA Grants Sub-Orbital License to SpaceShipOne

abucior writes "The FAA announced today that Scaled Composites has been granted a launch licence for a series of sub-orbital flights over a one-year period for Burt Rutan's SpaceShipOne. Is X Prize finally entering the end-game? Space.com has more information on the move."

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  1. eek by iosmart · · Score: 4, Informative

    While the highest criteria to issue a
    license is public safety, applicants
    must undergo an extensive pre-
    application process, demonstrate
    adequate financial responsibility to
    cover any potential losses, and meet
    strict environmental requirements.</I>

    this might put a lot of people outta the runnings

    1. Re:eek by AndroidCat · · Score: 5, Funny
      demonstrate adequate financial responsibility to cover any potential losses

      Can you imagine the call to the insurance company to get a policy? I don't think "saving a bundle" is one of the options.

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    2. Re:eek by in7ane · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Potential financial liability is likely to be covered by insurance (which will be costly no doubt), which anything that can reasonably be expected to fly and has adequate funding to get it to outer space should be able to afford.

      Keep in mind that stuff like this will not be launched form populated areas (deserts, etc. probably) so any liability only comes in if it can make it far enough to hit something, which in itself is a sign that it has potential, and so is more likely to be sufficiently safe. Think of it this way: conditional on it being able to make it as far as a populated area the probability that it will crash it low.

    3. Re:eek by DerekLyons · · Score: 4, Insightful
      While the highest criteria to issue a license is public safety, applicants must undergo an extensive pre-application process, demonstrate adequate financial responsibility to cover any potential losses, and meet strict environmental requirements.
      this might put a lot of people outta the runnings
      And frankly, that's a Good Thing. While I applaud and encourage the small company and backyard inventor, they should not be allowed to endanger the public any more than the big companies should. (In theory all are equal before the law, but sadly the size of the bankroll sometimes tips the scales a bit.)

      In addition, if the thing isn't safe enough to test without endangering the public, it's nowhere safe enough to fly in actual service. The thousands of homebuilt and homebrewed aircraft flying legally every day shows that safety and experiments are not mutually exclusive requirements.

  2. Awesome by TheKidWho · · Score: 5, Insightful

    At least the government isnt getting in the way. Im for one am glad to see the X-Prize might actually have a chance of revolutionizing the space industry!

    1. Re:Awesome by Fuzzy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      My bet is that this is the first of MANY applications that the "government" will approve. Space belongs to those who are willing/able to go there!

      The Moon, the planets, and the great unknown beyond should not be 'owned" by a government. Like the unexplored world that existed in the 1400's, they should belong to those willing to make the sacrifices, and devote the resources to explore and colonize the unknown!

      My bet is that the "governments" of the world will get out of the way and allow the exploration and colonization of the known and unknown universe. To do otherwise implies a vision and long range planning capability that does currently exist in ANY govenment that I know of.

      Space, like the "old West" of the US [my appologies to the Native Americans], belongs to those who are willing to go there!

      John [looking for Ringworld] Miller

  3. what happens? by hellmarch · · Score: 5, Interesting

    what happens if i were to build a big rocket and launch myself into space without telling anyone? would i get shot down by the military when they pick me up on radar?

    1. Re:what happens? by Jjeff1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      After reading about the problems Carmack and Armadillo Aerospace encountered trying to get H2O2, I don't think you'd be able to get enough fuel or parts to build anything un-noticed.

    2. Re:what happens? by Richthofen80 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      No. after you came down, you'd be fined by the FAA.

      Remember that story about the guy who rode a lawn chair with weather balloons into the sky? He was fined something like $4000 for his unauthorized flight. I think they'd hardly take military action, and they could hardly intercept in the time the flight would take place. (from what I've read all these X-Prize style trips would be less than thirty minutes, I could be wrong)

      Anyways, I'm glad the FAA did this. Go SpaceShipOne!

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  4. Check the approval date! by RobertB-DC · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Interesting difference in dates:

    Press Release
    Contact: Henry J. Price
    Date Posted: April 7, 2004


    But further down:

    The license was issued April 1 by the
    Federal Aviation Administration's
    Office of Commercial Space
    Transportation to Scaled Composites of
    Mojave, Calif., headed by aviation
    record-holder Burt Rutan, for a
    sequence of sub-orbital flights
    spanning a one-year period.


    As fun as it is to slam "the government", somebody was very much on the ball to realize that it would be a bad idea to release this news on April Fool's Day!

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  5. Throwing stuff into space ... legally. by j_cavera · · Score: 5, Interesting

    > what happens if i were to build a big rocket and launch myself into space without telling anyone? would i get shot down by the military when they pick me up on radar?

    Yes. Having worked with a (unmanned) launch services firm, getting permission can be the most difficult part of the process. Building the rocket and payload is just rocket science. Getting permission is *legal-stuff* .

    Six years ago, we had estimated that launching a satellite required permits, lawyers and insurance in excess of twice the cost of the launch vehicle. The gov't is truly being kind to Mr. Rutan.

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    1. Re:Throwing stuff into space ... legally. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Keep the rocket, launch the lawyers.

    2. Re:Throwing stuff into space ... legally. by DerekLyons · · Score: 4, Informative
      Six years ago, we had estimated that launching a satellite required permits, lawyers and insurance in excess of twice the cost of the launch vehicle. The gov't is truly being kind to Mr. Rutan.
      No, the goverment is changing the rules slightly to allow for easier acess to licensing for smaller organizations. The X-prize and lobbying work is slowly but surely starting to change and level the playing field.

      Some links:There's also been a variety of Congressional acts supporting space commercialization and competiveness.
    3. Re:Throwing stuff into space ... legally. by Kenshin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Of course, in alot of cases, it may just be easier to launch from a country that isn't so uptight.

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  6. Re:License Requirements by Lazyhound · · Score: 5, Funny

    You have to be able to sing "Rocket Man" from memory.

  7. Vanity plates? by falken0905 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Gee, i wonder if the FAA issues 'vanity plates'? I also wonder if the license plate will be made of low-drag material. Do they have to display inspection stickers on the windshield? So many questions come to mind. Ponderous.

    1. Re:Vanity plates? by voidptr · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes, they do.

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  8. Fiction: "Net Assets" by Mad+Man · · Score: 5, Interesting
    A fictional novel of a privately built launch vehicle, and what the government does to stop it.

    Available for free at http://netassetsbook.com/. I'd suggest the PDF version (1 MB), since some of the formatting in the HTML version is screwed up, and makes reading some parts difficult (mainly forgetting /I tags).

    "Once upon a time, there was an agency of the American government called the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. NASA was tasked with the exploration and development of space. Being a government agency, it was very bad at the job. But also, being a government agency, NASA made damned sure that no one else would do a better job.

    "And then the bureacrats' world came to an end."
  9. Lloyd's of London by Chmcginn · · Score: 5, Informative

    would probably be the underwriter of choice, not Geico. They have insured almost anything. For instance, some examples .

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    1. Re:Lloyd's of London by Fnkmaster · · Score: 5, Interesting
      So they say. However, I have a friend (also a Slashdot reader) who recently started a business in New York, and Lloyds actually refused to provide him with liability insurance for his business. Mind you, this business is somewhat risky, but it is a legitimate business, and he's making quite a bit of money now.


      The thing is that Lloyds is actually a marketplace of "syndicates", not exactly a monolithic institution (at least, this is how he explained it to me). So you have to have a broker who really knows Lloyd's to figure out who the right people to approach are. And as far as I can tell, they may like taking fairly crazy sounding but actually low risk bets on actresses thighs or singer's voices, but they don't like taking higher stake bets on businesses that are hard to assess or known to be risky.

  10. Re:Come on by Coryoth · · Score: 5, Informative

    I heard this story on NPR driving home just a few hours ago. They headlined it as "bringing space flight into the reach of ordinary Americans". Come on... considering raw costs alone, it'll be decades before 'ordinary Americans' can afford this kind of luxury travel.

    You might be surprised. One of the main points of the X-Prize is not that it is done by private companies instead of the government, but rather that the craft be highly reusable. You can only change 10% of the non fuel mass of the craft between the 2 launches required to claim the X-Prize, and those 2 launches have to have a quick turnaround time (matter of weeks).

    Basically that means once you've built a winning X-Prize craft, the only real relaunch costs are fuel. Compare that to the massive cost of each shuttle launch (between 3 and 5 hundred million dollars per launch), and you're talking about reduing launch costs by a factor of 100 or more.

    If they can pull that off, I suspect they can quickly get plenty of funding to push the technology further and make it more efficient. I really do believe basic space travel could be affordable by ordinary Americans (expensive, yes, but affordable) inside of a decade - 2 at the most.

    Don't underestimate what a leap an efficiency the X-Prize represents.

    Jedidiah.

  11. Re:Come on by fucksl4shd0t · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Don't underestimate what a leap an efficiency the X-Prize represents.

    Not that I disagree with you, just keep one foot in the part of reality that remembers that X-prize isn't going to LEO, and isn't even getting close to LEO. Unless you hit LEO, your reusable spacecraft is just a great ride. :)

    Don't get me wrong, though. After they've hit the low target they've set with the reusable requirements they've got I expect the design to be pushed to LEO pretty quickly, pretty much as soon as it gets covered up with funding from both the X-prize itself and all the VCs and other investors that learn by virtue of the X-prize that you have a viable technology.

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  12. Bush doesn't want us on the moon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Bush doesn't want us on the moon. Why? Think of the evening news stories: "Today, Apollo 59 landed on the moon again, costing taxpayers $155 trillion dollars, drilled some tiny holes in rocks, took several pictures, discovered NO WEAPONS of mass distruction and found 6 more votes for Al Gore."

  13. Burt Rutan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I first noticed Burt Rutan because of a homebuilt plane that he designed. It was composite construction (fiberglass and foam) and extremely strong. It was a canard (it had a lifting surface on the nose) and therefore very stable. Some time later he built the first plane to fly around the world without refueling.

    The guy is a genius and an innovator in a field that does its best to discourage innovation.

    If I have understood correctly, lawsuits have basically killed innovation in general aviation. Check it out the next time you are airside: most of the designs of small aircraft are fifty years old. I wonder if we will be saying the same thing about software in fifty years.

    www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/GENERAL_AVIATIO N/ rutan/GA15.htm

  14. Re:Come on by DerekLyons · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Basically that means once you've built a winning X-Prize craft, the only real relaunch costs are fuel. Compare that to the massive cost of each shuttle launch (between 3 and 5 hundred million dollars per launch), and you're talking about reduing launch costs by a factor of 100 or more.
    You are also reducing the capabilities you get for your money by a thousand times or more. The Shuttle is orbital (with all the problems that all orbital craft have), an X-prize vehicle is suborbital. The Shuttle has 60,000lbs of cargo capacity and up to 9 passengers/crew, an X-prize vehicle has essentially no cargo capacity and up to 4 passengers/crew.

    Not to mention the fact that the Shuttle launch costs you note covers more than fuel, it also covers all the maintenance, prepation, testing, etc. that a craft in service must have, while a vehicle that only has to fly twice can get away with far, far less infrastructure. (The key to reducing costs isn't reducing vehicle costs as many believe, but in flying the hell out of the vehicle and spreading the costs across many vehicles and flights. Ask the airlines.)

    Don't underestimate what a leap an efficiency the X-Prize represents.
    Don't overestimate it either. The X-Prize vehicles are highly specialized test and experimental vehicles, it's a long leap from there to vehicles capable of routine operations. (Not just in general concept, but in raw performance.) Consider the long step between the Wright Flyer and the Ford Tri-Motor or the DC-3. That's how far the X-prize vehicles are from useful and cheap space transports.
  15. Re:Come on by extra+the+woos · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "Consider the long step between the Wright Flyer and the Ford Tri-Motor or the DC-3. That's how far the X-prize vehicles are from useful and cheap space transports."

    That's what excites me. Look at how cheap and safe air travel is now. Wright brother's flight was in 1903, right? In less than 20 years you had airplanes EVERYWHERE. In less than 40 years there were jets. (July '42 for the first real jet fighter, yes yes I know there were actually jet engines in the 30's but come on).

    Today, 100 years later, I can buy an airplane ticket for a couple day's worth of barely-better-than minimum wage barely-part-time college work.

    If this is like the Wright brother's flight, then we're in for one hell of a century, and it's gonna be a good one.

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  16. Deja vu all over again... by jemenake · · Score: 4, Funny
    Is X Prize finally entering the end-game?
    Well, seeing as how we're also trying to recruit people who talk like chimps, the "payload" is being taken care of as we speak.

    Of course, the American chimp-speakers will undoubtedly demand too high of a salary, so they'll probably just teach someone from an Indian call center how to speak chimp as well as they speak English and save a bundle.
  17. Re:FAA authority by Sergeant+Beavis · · Score: 4, Informative

    No, Congress have them the authority late last year. If they are flying in US airspace, they can be regulated by the feds.

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  18. X-Prize and space by robert.broome · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Remember though that the X-Prize is for suborbital flight. The height isn't important-it is the speed. Spaceship 1 won't have to deal with reentry temperatures, making it MUCH simpler to build and fly. If X-Prize was for an orbital flight, or any Mach 25 flight, there wouldn't be any entries. Is it the first step to cheap flight or just a cheap flight? Only a real reentry system will tell.

  19. Re:Come on by GileadGreene · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The Shuttle has 60,000lbs of cargo capacity and up to 9 passengers/crew

    The shuttle's 60,000 lb cargo capacity is wasteful and useless. It costs more per pound (even accounting for inflation) to launch on the shuttle than it did to launch on the Saturn V. It'd be fine if the shuttle provided an economical way to launch bulk cargo, but it doesn't. Better to stick with unmanned expendables for that kind of stuff - at least for the time being. As for the 9 passengers/crew, they cost so much per person to launch that only a small elite are permitted to fly. The 4 passengers on an X-Prize vehicle may only be going suborbital (for now), but at least they're going.

    The key to reducing costs isn't reducing vehicle costs as many believe, but in flying the hell out of the vehicle and spreading the costs across many vehicles and flights.

    True. But that's part of the point of the X-Prize. The shuttle design simply cannot support a flight rate sufficient to make its costs reasonable. Plus it requires a standing army of several thousand just to operate it. The shuttle is not capable of operating in an airline mode. The X-Prize is encouraging designs that are capable of rapid turn-around (and thus high flight rate), and require minimal infrastructure. The X-Prize designs will (hopefully) be capable of airline-like operations.

    Consider the long step between the Wright Flyer and the Ford Tri-Motor or the DC-3. That's how far the X-prize vehicles are from useful and cheap space transports.

    The first flight of the Wright Flyer involved a mere 12 seconds of flying time (the third and longest flight of the day attained a whopping 59 seconds). Only 10 years later the airplane was a major player in the Great War. Ok, the world had to wait another ~20 years for the DC-3. But commercial aviation was already well-established before the DC-3 came along. Useful and cheap are relative terms. The X-Prize vehicles may be closer to both of them than you think.

  20. Single Engine planes by Nick+Driver · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Anyway, now you can't pick up a new single engine Cessna for less than 158K

    And you can still pick up a decent used, older single-engine plane that has decades more life left in it for under $30K. A brand new GMC pickup truck costs more than I paid for my Piper Cherokee. Why people shell out over an eighth of a million dollars for a new C172, I don't understand. If I had ~$160K to spend on an airplane, I'd much rather buy an older, bigger, plane like a T210 or perhaps even a Skymaster 337 inline twin in that price range.