"Project Rave" Beta Released

Glenn Holmer writes "The long-awaited beta of Sun Java Studio Creator (the IDE formerly known as Project Rave) has been released. This is the product that is supposed to make Java development easy (especially for web apps) by using drag and drop technology. It is based on NetBeans and uses JavaServer Faces technology."

Comments

As usual...

[Pahroza]

As usual, there is no Mac OS X installer available for the Sun Java[tm] Studio Creator. There do appear to be sources for SteadyState and JGraph. I'm downloading them now, we'll see what I can make of it.

Limited functionality, high price?

[bartok]

I fail to see how another non-free Java IDE is gonna make Java more attractive to VS.NET developers (since that's the stated target market). People are much more likely to download Eclipse for free and use that.

I see this IDE's market to be nothing more than a niche of people who already use Java at work to code Java Server Feces.

Re:Limited functionality, high price?

[KDan]

roflmao @ java server feces...

:-P

Daniel

Re:Limited functionality, high price?

[the eric conspiracy]

No one I know uses Java Server Feces. Does anyone in here?

JSF has just recently been released. It's an important new technology that brings J2EE UI development up to snuff with many of the ideas MS used in .Net. While it isn't in wide use right now, it will be integrated into frameworks like Struts etc. over the next year or so, making it part of the standard J2EE toolkit.

Re:Limited functionality, high price?

[__aavhli5779]

WebObjects is not free software.

GNUstepWeb, however, is.

And yes, it's a complete clone of WebObjects and Enterprise Object Framework.

OS X

[melquiades]

I wonder, is this IDE written in pure Java?

If not, why not?

If so, why is Sun dorking around with platform-specific installers?

Either way, it seems tantamount to an admission of the failure of Java portability ... which is funny, because Java is, by and large, extraordinarily portable, and there are plenty of platform-neutral installers around coming from people with far fewer resources than Sun.

Re:OS X

[jilles]

It is pure Java. However, platform specific installers are nice for properly integrating with the native platform (icons, menu items, file associations, paths, shortcuts).

I can imagine there is little market demand for Mac OS X support and so little incentive for sun to invest time in it. In addition, Apple is a big competitor in the workstation market so SUN will likely prefer that developers use something else. Preferably something where SUN delivers the JVM (linux, solaris & win32) so they can hook into the compiler and sun specific JVM optimizations.

Probably, it is rather easy to get the thing going on a mac if you know what you are doing so I don't really see the problem.

Re:OS X

[Arkham]

I recently asked James Gosling ("father of Java" and head of Sun's tools development group) about this very issue when I attended a speech he gave in Atlanta. He was demoing on a Powerbook so I thought it was an apt question.

He said all of Sun's tools run on Macs, and indeed many of their developers used Macs on a daily basis. He said that they really need to work on Mac installers, and hopefully the situation would improve over time.

If anyone has influence over this, it's Gosling. If you're interested in seeing Mac tools, email him and let him know.

Rave - what's up with the awful marketing blather?

[joelparker]

Rave is great, well worth trying for Java apps--
but the homepage introduction is horrendous.

• powerful technologies that can be
  used productively and effectively.
  
  leverage the power of the Java platform

Can someone at Sun get a clue about this?
I'm a Java developer (and former Sun employee)
and I don't need to read words like "leverage"
and "powerful technologies" and buzzwords.

Instead: tell me what the tool is,
what it does-- ideally with screenshots--
and how it fits with my other Java tools.

Cheers, Joel

Move along...

[Hamster Of Death]

Lets see the responses.

I dosen't work on platform $FOO

Real developers use language $BAR

Java is proprietary therefore it sucks $FOO is much better because it's $OS LICENSED

I tried it but it didn't do $OBSCURE THING properly so I went back to $POPULAR THING

I heard that MS is discontinuing support for it so why bother.

It's just another incarnation of $FOO why do we need so many ways to do $BAR why can't there be one standard?

$FOO is so much better at $BAR than this everyone should use $FOO.

$FOO dosen't make coffee

etc..

I'm sure you'll point out the spelling errors and missed points.

Java Server Feces

[Earlybird]

• No one I know uses Java Server Feces. Does anyone in here?

With a name like that, I bet it's kinda crap.