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The Trouble With Using D&D Rules In Videogames?
An anonymous reader writes "There's a new article on kuro5hin.org about the trouble with porting pencil and paper RPG games (such as d20 3.5) to RPG video games. One such rules-snatching video game is examined, The Temple of Elemental Evil. The article is also an introduction to a new RPG Standards Compliance system that is currently under development and will be online soon, in hopes of bridging the gap between computers and those lovable PnP evenings we all enjoy."
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It still doesn't tell how Advanced Dungeons and Dragons is different from regular Dungeons and Dragons. I've asked around and no one knows. I'm starting to think nerds just made it up to sound smart.
"I'm playing Dungeons and Dragons."
"Oh yeah? I'm playing ADVANCED Dungeons and Dragons"
Ask and thou shalt receive...
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Now to get him to port it to gtk or qt...
That'll work, if by "port" you mean "completely rewrite in another programming language".
An article where no one can say "this isn't news for nerds!"
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Powergaming in D&D?
No way! I don't believe it!
My biggest problem with porting pencil and paper games to video games was finding a pencil that would write on the screen. Then I realized that dry-erase markers worked really well, and as an added bonus it was much easier to change the stats on your character without leaving those nasty eraser smudges.
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Is that someone who played AD&D managed to procreate.
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From the comments: "I've seen d&d accused of being satanist for years, but I've never seen an actual personal perspective on d&d from the Devil." (link)
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I started in 1992, with my dad, when I was 7
Hmm, 1992-7=1985. Holy shit, kid, I've been playing RPGs since before you were born!
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I'm sorry, Citizen. You are not allowed to know that you are playing a game. Please report to the Computer for routing debriefing and clone incrementation.
Thank you.
Have a nice day.
The computer is your friend.
(You know, I seem to remember someone doing a text adventure of Paranoia...)
Never attribute to malice what can as easily be the result of incompetence...
Not everybody wants to play the role of a whiny, neurotic, tortured Gothic denizen of the night.
No, you go to Slashdot for that.
Of course, that's not really fair of me.
You're probably not gothic.
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At the top of the article the author says "Computers are very rational, and people are abstract;"
Programmer joke: if people are "abstract" how come I keep seeing so many instances of them. Maybe they are subclasses?
Anyway it's completely trite. And untrue. Computers are algorithmic. Humans can be rational, which is usually defined as 'capable of exercising reason'.
Unless, of course the author means rational as in mathematics, as in a rational number (i.e. a number that can be represented as a fraction). But in this definition, the author is even more wrong; computers are of course binary machines.
This is just the sort of faulty reasoning that makes me stop reading articles. Quite aside from that first sentence !!! from this single example, perhaps we can conclude (erroneously) that people aren't abstract, they are illiterate. At least in this instance.
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You know I was thinking the same thing, started in 1981. Where do these kids get the idea that playing for a mere 12 years counts as a long time :) (and I had roll my dice in the snow, uphill, both ways..er somthing like that)
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Because he learned. He wanted power, and he learned better and better ways to get it.
Powergaming happens in the meta-game above real life. The guy who plays me, is probably explaining to his DM why the character switched to Python a few years ago. I can see it now, the DM says, "But Sloppy was into C! You're playing him wrong, you fucking munchkin, just to get a +2 on your programming roll." Then the player tries to explain that the character learned something about the relative values of programmer time vs compute time, but the DM shakes his head. "Sloppy is too dumb to learn," he says.
The player complains, and the DM threatens, "Look, just shut up, already. I'm getting tired of this." But the player persists.
Finally, the fed-up DM says, "That's it. Cthulhu appears and kills your character."
Ok, Aglassis, I want you to think about what you did. You just got me killed in what we call "real life", and Cthulhu is now wandering around. Do you think anyone in the world is safe, now? Cthulhu is out, and you're going to die too. Way to go. I hope you remember that, when your player rolls up the next Aglassis. And ask yourself: who is the real munchkin? The guy who was trying to convince the DM that I could learn from experience to try to become more powerful? Or the narrow-minded DM who thought characters shouldn't adapt, and then in a childish tantrum, set Cthulhu loose on the world?
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> Hell, if you played for 40 hour, only gained 3 levels, but had a kickass time playing, wouldn't that be alright? The goal of the game should nopt be to make the character as high level > as possible.
I'm a munchkin, you insensitive clod!
then if they keep repeating the same actions over and over, you could potentially detect this and trigger appropriate events accordingly.
It looks like you may be trying to write a letter!
How are Werewolf and Mage archtypal goth games?
Wraith and Vampire, yes, very clearly. Werewolf is a game for eco-freaks and Mage is a game for pretentious pseudo-intellectual f***-heads who read the Philosophy of the Matrix and talk about the I Ching.
Hunter is for DnD players who want to kill White Wolf playing goths and spend half the game buying guns and explosives. Demon is for Kevin Smith fans. Changeling is for 40 year old overweight virginal women who cast love spells and wear gossimer wings.
If you're going to stereotype, get them right.
When we started out, we would always screw up drawing our map. Out of frustration, our DM would pull the sheet of graph paper over to him and start correcting our mistakes. If we did this enough, inevitably it would go like this:
"...and this wall goes five blocks here to the secret door... shit!"
But the greatest was in a large castle where we got to the treasure room pretty quickly (this was intentional) and saw a pile of loot. It was at the end of a hallway. Problem was there was a large holes in the ceiling and floor of the hallway, with about a 250mph wind whipping through it. The story was some crap about the castle's ventilation system. He was trying to tease us with the view to get us to spend a month trekking through the castle. Well, after getting pissed off, someone in our group realized we had an enlarging potion (or spell or something), and got the bright idea to cast it on our paladin's shield as he threw it over the hole. The shield expanded, capped the hole, and proceeded to help ourselves. We eventually negotiated with the DM for half the loot, since he threatened to make us spend the next six months carrying it all the way back to town.
My favorite part is his use of the term "distributed database." I'd comment further, but I have to go finish building my 4-CPU cluster of SQL Server boxen so I can play Final Fantasy.
Infocom and Legend both went out of business taking this route.
Meanwhile, Deer Hunter is a best seller.
is competition good, or is duplication of effort bad?