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Apple Announces New Pro Software

yroJJory writes "Apparently, Apple has just announced new pro software today. First off is the new app Motion, which is a new motion graphics program with real-time previews, procedural behavior animation and Final Cut Pro HD integration. Second, is Final Cut Pro HD, boasting the beauty of HD with the simplicity of DV. Capture DVCPRO HD over FireWire, edit using camera-native footage and output over FireWire with no generational quality loss. RT Extreme, now for HD, can deliver multiple HD streams, effects, filters and transitions in real-time to an attached Apple Cinema Display. Last, but most important to me, is DVD Studio Pro 3, which has slick new transitions, superb HD to MPEG-2 encoding, Graphical View, support for all professional audio formats -- including DTS -- (FINALLY!!), and integration with Final Cut Pro HD and Motion. Motion will be available this summer for $299. The Final Cut Pro HD update is available now for FCP 4 users. DVD Studio Pro 3 is expected to ship in mid-May." Reader green pizza writes "Apple today introduced Xsan, a clustered filesystem for Mac OS X systems."

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  1. Re:Amateur motion capture? by Spytap · · Score: 4, Informative

    Motion capture is completely different from motion graphics. And yes, Motion capture is too expensive to be done at the consumer level.

    Not to be an ass, but this could have been cleared up by simply clicking the link in the article and reading the first sentence in the product description...

  2. What impresses me by ObviousGuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The most impressive thing about the Mac world is that Apple puts so much effort into building a complete software environment for their customers. With (compared to the Windows world) 3rd party software houses effectively shunning Apple because of the lack of users (again comparatively speaking), Apple would no doubt be dead if not for Apple's heavy investment in writing these pro-level tools that have become absolutely essential to the media cartels.

    However, I wonder how long Apple can continue with such heavy investment in this excellent software. The return on investment of this kind of thing can't be that great considering the low low price of the software. Granted, it moves Mac G5 boxes, but I wonder if the markup on the Apple hardware can compensate for the loss leading of the Apple software.

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    1. Re:What impresses me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The return on investment of this kind of thing can't be that great considering the low low price of the software.

      Shake 3 - $4950

      The big production houses use it, use it lots, and use it on several workstations.

      Apple are making a bit of a profit, but they also have an intensely INTENSELY loyal following just because it's the best of the best.

      Their other apps are cheaper, but then they'll all continue to be updated, all continue to need new hardware, and all continue to need newer versions of the Mac OS.

      Combine multi million dollar production budgets and that level of loyalty, Apple's video production market isn't going anywhere anytime soon, and is going to keep bringing them in solid profits.

      Hey, they're not a market leader by % of total machines sold, but they're still a business with a near $2billion turnover each quarter with profits in the tens of millions. I'd like to be in that position

    2. Re:What impresses me by Selecter · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Most of the software is not any sort of a loss leader for Apple. They make some serious cash off most of their in house softwarez - iLife 04 was a huge success for Apple as noted in the recent quarterly report.

      Hardware delays not withstanding, ( within reason ) Apple's future is pretty bright. Check how many /. readers have and use Macs compared to 3 years ago. 3 years ago, anything Apple was a running joke here, becuase the hardware was so outdated mostly, but also becuase OS X was not ready for primetime.

      Big difference today - Apple is the geek computer. Hardcore gamers are the last holdout IMO.

    3. Re:What impresses me by geniusj · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Shake is also costs twice as much for linux. Enough that it's cheaper to get a powermac and shake than to get a linux box and shake.. that's intentional.

    4. Re:What impresses me by geniusj · · Score: 4, Informative

      Given that in rendering you are crunching large chunks of data. The fact that G5s are 64-bit and have an insane amount of bandwidth between every subsystem probably helps it quite a bit. Not to mention that while Shake is optimized for the G5 (compiled with 64 bit support), it is doubtful that the same optimizations were given for, say, AMD64. The G5 is no slouch, as you seem to be inferring.

      One thing that I am pretty sure about, but not positive, is the cost of running a linux cluster node in the farm. I know the OS X licenses for a cluster node are free. However, I do not believe that to be the case with a Linux node. Again, further driving the cost way up. The most cost effective option for recent shake adopters are most likely XServe G5 Cluster Nodes. As they are relatively cheap individually (for the power they provide) and you do not need to pay a licensing fee for each node.

    5. Re:What impresses me by c4Ff3In3+4ddiC+ · · Score: 5, Interesting
      You know, I have to agree with you. I finally broke down and bought a notebook, and what did I buy? An iBook. You really can't beat the combination of:
      • BSD backend with full hardware/software support
      • Incredible battery life. (I get 4+ hours with normal use)
      • Weight
      • Internal wireless with antenna integrated into the display
      • Plenty of OSS software available
      • Apple software bundle is impressive
      • And lastly, all this for only $1099
      Needless to say. I'm loving' it.
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    6. Re:What impresses me by jcr · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, they had an existing shake-on-linux infrastructure. They were already a major Shake customer at the time that Apple bought the app.

      -jcr

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  3. Apple does it right by ericdano · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Apple really does things right. Look at their products compared to Microsoft. OS X is way ahead of Windows XP. G5's are slick. iPod, Xservers, iMacs, eMacs, and their laptop lines. iLife. Logic. Final Cut Pro, Shake, etc.

    Simply, they are the trend setters. Best computer company period!

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    1. Re:Apple does it right by zuhl · · Score: 5, Interesting


      We just bought a Dual G5 Xserve. I set it up last weekend. In about 4 hours. From my house. In my PJs. All done via Apple's Remote Desktop and Admin tools over my cable modem. Designers came in Monday morning and all their stuff was there and working as if it had always been there.

      I know most hard core geeks who regularly SSH into their servers and various boxen won't be impressed by that, but please understand that I work for a decently sized (14 designers) graphic design company. I admin all the G5s and our web server, FTP, mail, etc., in addition to my normal duties as a production artist. I am a "geek" who regularly reads slashdot, but UNIX is not really my forte. I drop into the Terminal occasionally and sudo, but it's not really my main gig. I know enough to be dangerous, basically. :-)

      The G5 server is freaking amazing. Open Directory is very nice as well. Say what you want about overpriced hardware (though the G5 server and the X-RAID are pretty reasonable for what you are buying), but Apple does do things pretty well. You get what you pay for in my opinion. Could I have built or ordered a similar machine with Linux or Win2K3 and spent a little less? Probably. We spent about $5K and got 750 gig of storage and a gig of RAM. But the difference in the cost of my time (and headache trying to get it all running) is far outweighed by the simplicity of the Xserve. And the really nice thing is that there is a TON of usabilty built into the Xserve for those who need/want to delve deeper. PHP. MySQL. Open Directory (Apple's LDAP stuff). VPN. It's all there and easily configured or tweaked from the Admin Tools or from the CLI.

      It wouldn't surprise me one bit to see more and more Xserves sneaking into data centers. They really do rock.

  4. Xsan by daveschroeder · · Score: 4, Informative

    Xsan is a typical SAN filesystem, not just "network mount points". It allows storage to be pooled and aggregated, and for multiple machines to concurrently mount the same filesystem(s) simultaneously. The keys in a SAN are things like storage monitoring, management, centralization, and performance.

    Just look at Apple's Xsan home page and Xsan press release.

  5. The real news .. by naden · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Has to be the XSan .. this combined with the XServe and XServe RAID really does have to worry companies like Sun and SGI a little.

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  6. Wow, how many companies can do this?!!! by tentimestwenty · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm not even a big video user but this is amazing stuff. From start to finish they've got everything almost anyone could want to make high end productions and the cost and hardware is stupidly cheap. Real time HD over FireWire on a $3000 computer? Just to get that to work is amazing, but to have a purpose built SAN to handle all the files, and it all works together with amazing fit and finish. I can't see anyone in the industry not going for this. Apple's been saying that having the hardware and the software let's them do all sorts of unique things, but this is the first time it's going to completely change a whole industry. Linux companies take note and make sure you've got a hardware side to your operations.

    1. Re:Wow, how many companies can do this?!!! by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 5, Informative

      They make it sound like realtime HD over firewire is some big deal until you realize it's just 19Mbps HDV video

      Wrong. HD over FireWire is 100 Mbps. It's only after the program content has been sent to the transmitter that HD gets squeezed all the way down to 19 Mbps. In production, the bit rates are 50-100 times higher than that.

      (Real men deal with uncompressed SMPTE-292, of course. Gigabit and a half per second, thank you very much.)

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  7. Don't forget Shake! by TiMac · · Score: 4, Informative

    Apple also introduced Shake 3.5 for Mac OS X, Linux, and IRIX...

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  8. Re:Amateur motion capture? by arikol · · Score: 5, Informative

    Click the links first, functionality of the software is explained there. Motion capture needs points of reference on the target. Its also usually done in a high contrast environment (similar to blue/greenscreen but not as fancy) and the reference points have to be highly visible on the target (i.e. white tufts on all movement points, black suit underneath). Most ppl wouldnt want to bother with this even if they had hardware/software capable of doing it....

  9. Re:Wait ... by Have+Blue · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's a SAN clustering program. You run Xsan on each of your 4 Xserves, you plug a 3T Xserve RAID into each of them, and the whole backend appears to your G5 (and every other G5 on the network) as a single 12T volume that's faster than any single hardware unit, since Xsan also does load balancing.

  10. Re:Your cause and effect's all out of whack. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People don't write software for MacOS because Apple will compete with them.

    Apple only seems to be stepping in where a competitor's product is languishing on the Mac platform. Two examples:

    Internet Explorer for the Mac was left to rot by Microsoft, so Apple came up with Safari.

    Adobe Premiere for the Mac was a neglected piece of shit, so Apple came up with Final Cut Pro.

    This is a very clear message to software makers: "Shitty, infrequently-updated Mac software will not be tolerated. If you're going to make it, make it right or we'll take your marketshare with a kick-ass app that shows off what the Mac can do."

  11. It's things like this... by TehChubbz0r · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Apple putting out complete and all-encompassing software packages like this make me want to invest in Apple hardware, but I'm lacking enough funds to make the switch...

    To me, Apple seems a much better development house than Microsoft (not really necessary to state), and their products seem much more reliable/functional than Microsoft's efforts. Maybe it's the extra time spent in development, maybe it's the extra attention spent on details, or perhaps it's just the hardware.

    Even though I don't currently use Apple hardware, I still appreciate what they are doing for the computing community in general with products like these that show what great design teams are really capable of.

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    1. Re:It's things like this... by Achoi77 · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Not to beat this arguement to death (ok, nevermind), but I seem to remember during my college days, all the macs used the 2 button mouse, on os 9 - for all the college kids complaining about how to right-click save on internet explorer. I wonder how much earlier this wasn't an issue.

      I use osx all the time now (was a PC to mac convert 2 months ago), and I just find the one button mouse a much more elegant solution. I just find the keyboard and mouse combo is much more efficient. Interestingly enough, it wasn't that I was actually slower, but I was LAZIER with the two button mouse - I didn't want to bother using the keyboard, when i could do it in one hand - which in the end caused performance to suffer. And expose rocks my world. I keep finding myself how to switch windows on winxp, and I marvel at how I was able to survive without expose for so long (alt-tab doesn't cut it anymore). The app switching bottleneck is so gone now.

      I work at a printshop, so I very much rather enjoy being able to work on 5-6 jobs at the same time. It reduces a lot of downtime, and I find that the biggest bottleneck on the computer is actaully me. Which, of course causes me to push bigger jobs faster, simultaneously, up until the point where the hardware is near it's limit. It's a vicious cycle, but productivity is the big winner here, and my boss likes that. Plus I feel like Johnny Neumonic(sp?).

      (Score:-1, The Switch)

    2. Re:It's things like this... by dasmegabyte · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'd rather a computer with fruit than a computer with a goddamn cow on the box. Who designed that shit, my mom?

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  12. Xsan is a preannoucement. And that's Good! by 777333ddd · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The Xsan press release is the most interesting to me because it's a long lead time pre-annoucement. Now most companies don't bat an eye with preannoucements. They toss them out like crazy often with an eye to just stoke the stock price or FUD competition. But there is such a thing as a good pre-annoucement.

    That is not something Apple does much if at all for its products. While silence until shipping is a good move (I would say) in the consumer space. It's bad for the Enterprise space. Apple has been criticized and justifiably so for not pre-announcing key technology so developers and enterprises can plan accordingly.

    Now I agree that it's probably better to err on the side of less pre-announcement, but Apple took this to too much of an extreme.

    I think this is an indication that Apple is 'getting it' more and more regarding Enterprise/Pro markets.

  13. Actually, your cause and effect might bekinda off by nicholas. · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You have to ask yourself: is Apple chasing away developers because of their great software? Or is Apple filling a gaping whole that windows-centric developers are leaving open.

    It is true that Adobe is scaling back some of their Mac operations. But apps like Premier and FrameMaker have been seriously neglected (four or more year w/o and update). So if these are the applications Apple risks losing because of their great software then so be it.

    Avid/ProTools treats the Mac like a second class citizen so thankfully Apple has helped give them some competition. If it hadn't been for Apple who would have provide quality compositing, audio, video editing, DVD-authoring and now motion graphics software? Was Apple supposed to wait and hope that someone would come to the plate?

    If anything, Apple is capable of producing great software. They will always be reliant on third parties with limited resources (or interest) for supporting great Mac hardware. Their strength is their software. It'd be great if Apple could get out their hardware sinkig ship and concentrate on bring great softare to different platforms.

  14. Re:HDTV over IEEE1394 by Enrico+Pulatzo · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well, they are using the DVCPRO HD codec, which requires only 100Mbps stream, 1394b is overkill.

    Apple suggests that you have a 160MB(capital B)ps connection to do uncompressed (read: non DVCPRO HD) HD content, which requires a PCI-based solution, not firewire.

  15. HD over FireWire by daveschroeder · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It does not require optical. It works over normal FireWire. It supports Panasonic's 100 Mbps DV-HD (DVCPRO HD) codec.

    1080i HD content can be moved between a Panasonic HD VTR and a computer via FireWire with no generation loss:

    "With Panasonic's new, compact AJ-HD1200A DVCPRO HD VTR, 24fps or 60fps progressive scan material shot by Panasonic's AJ-HDC27 VariCam HD Cinema camera or 1080i studio / sports truck footage recorded by DVCPRO HD VTRs can be transferred via the VTR's IEEE 1394 interface directly into Final Cut Pro HD without generation loss. Once transferred, the material is instantly available for real-time editing operations. All footage maintains its camera-original quality, because the IEEE 1394 FireWire interface transfers the native DV-HD high definition files, as originally recorded on tape in the VTR or Varicam, directly to the Power Mac G4 or Power Mac G5 host computer's internal hard drive."

    Read the joint Apple/Panasonic press release

  16. What to view it on? by gotmemory · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Uh, this is awesome and all, but what are you going to view it on? As far as I know there is no DVD that supports HD, and by the origional poster, it sounds like you can only watch it on attached displays at full resolution.

    This also brings up something with the Panisonic HD DV camcorder simply because it is the only major minidv HD camcorder being pushed.

    Good job apple.

    1. Re:What to view it on? by MoneyT · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And before the iMac, there were probably less than 10 companies producing USB products. It's all about pushing people forward into the new world.

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  17. Re:Your cause and effect's all out of whack. by MoneyT · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Apple wouldn't need to write software if the developers would actualy, you know, develop, as opposed to letting products die *cough* premeire *cough*. If no one is going to write software for Apple, Apple will write the software themselves.

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  18. Kudos to Apple by tobycat · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Apple seems to have remade itself into a premium software developer. I used to think of Apple as the cool hardware manufacturer but now they are bringing that same innovation, simplicity, and style to software. No wonder Adobe has been wary recently. They must be wondering when Apple will be competing with them across their entire product line.

    1. Re:Kudos to Apple by tobycat · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I think Apple has something to be proud of here. They've attracted some of the very best technical talent in the industry and are keeping them employed in the US. Apple accomplished this during an economic downturn in which technology companies were laying off double digit percentages of their workforces. Instead of shrinking, Apple diversified its product line while hanging onto (and adding to) its technical talent pool. The result are a diverse set of applications that appeal to both consumers AND vertical markets. Oh, and they are making a profit and are a debt free company.

      "Kudos to Apple" is appropriate. This is one company that has worked hard and managed to stay focused over a long period. They deserve recognition for it.

    2. Re:Kudos to Apple by tyrione · · Score: 4, Interesting

      One of my most fond memories while being an employee at NeXT before stepping into Apple was Steve's final CEO to Staff Rally Speech.

      Besides the obvious, "We are already speaking to several key individuals, including John Rubenstein(sp?), etc" was the comment Steve made about when the OS hits the Shelf.

      To the best of my recollection:

      We will be the largest UNIX vendor and Apple will be produce the best application software the Mac platform has ever seen. Apple will be more than just a hardware company. It will be a software company.

      Now obviously Steve held to his Vision.

  19. Re:HDTV over IEEE1394 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Technically, FCP does support uncompressed HD. It's just not for free over FireWire (it'll take a Kona capture card and a storage system of the Xserve RAID's calibre).

  20. Interesting. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    First SGI came out with a port of their CXFS filesystem, and now Apple's Xsan. Both of these fill a hole that was blindingly obvious the moment Apple came out with the Xserve RAID.

    Both Xsan and CXFS are cross-platform: you can attach heterogenous (Windows, Linux, Irix, Solaris, Mac OS X, possibly others) systems to the one filesystem, and have it all work. The interesting part is that CXFS needs an SGI Irix box at the centre to deal with the metadata updates (as I understand it). Xsan also needs a metadata server, but it's unclear whether it needs to be an OS X box, or if it'll work with other operating systems at its core. If the former, it's understandable. If the latter, it'll be a good chance to make it into the enterprise in a big way.

    Either way, it looks like Apple is making some serious, steady steps towards the enterprise market. They're very much the underdogs; people looking at this sort of thing like to see a track record before buying; but still... interesting times, indeed.

  21. Re:Wait ... by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 4, Informative

    Xsan is Apple's port of ADIC's CVFS (or "StorNext" as they took to calling it a while back) to Mac OS X, with new administration tools.

    A CVFS client on Window, Solaris, whatever, will plug right into an Xsan network.

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  22. Re:Actually, your cause and effect might bekinda o by silentbozo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm glad Apple has taken the lead in giving what would have been 3rd party apps (they bought the foundations of the iTunes music app, FinalCut, etc. all from other companies) and polishing them up to get new customers. When companies start going cross-platform (ie, from a pure-mac stance to a Mac/PC one), it's almost inevitable that one of them (the Mac side) gets short-changed. Some manager or number cruncher decides that there's more money on the Windows side, the Windows side eats up more than it's share of the allocated programmer budget, Mac programmers leave and are replaced, not by Mac programmers, but by Windows programmers, they decide to unify the code base but end up with all of the Windows bugs on the Mac side because their compiler tools are all Windows-based now, etc.

    The other advantage in having Apple take these types of software under their wing is that they can strategically coordinate releases of both software and hardware. Looking at the Xserves, the XSAN, the software tools, OS X, etc., you can clearly see that they're targeting high-end, corporate users of media software (ie, entertainment). The scientific community is already sold on the Unix underlayer of OS X - X11 make is possible to port a lot of apps.

  23. Re:Actually, your cause and effect might bekinda o by MidnightBrewer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Hardware sinking ship?" I have to disagree with you there. With the release of the G5 bringing the Mac hardware platform on par with, if not ahead of its PC counterparts, Apple is by no means hurting. This is without counting the 64-bit capabilities of the processor that are, as yet, still largely under-utilized. They also have a good price point for their workstation systems, that easily compete with what the other guys have to offer.

    Apple is far better off than it was a year ago, or even five years ago, when things were really ugly.

    There's a strange (and, IMHO, unrealistic) trend of opinion lately that says that Apple should stop making great hardware and concentrate on making great software that only runs on that great hardware. If you think the software is that damn great, then buy a Mac. That's what Apple's trying to get you to do, but people seem to be missing the point.

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  24. Final Cut Express by moosesocks · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It seems worth mentioning that apple also updated Final Cut Express to a new patch. The patch corrects several severe issues with the program, specifically the 'blank frame' issue which has plagued virtually every user of the program. It also corrects problems with dropped frames and timecode breaks.

    Now that these problems are fixed, I can safely say that Final Cut Express is the perfect entry-level video editing solution. At $299, it's a steal compared to the competition (Final Cut Pro is already a steal!). Plus, if you decide to upgrade to pro, Apple only charges the difference in the price, meaning you lose no money.

    Talk about a company that's nice to their customers. Apple definitely sees the pro market as an area to capitalize - it has always been their strong point in the past. You can tell that apple's trying to capitalize on their strong points as they attempt to regain the Education market with the $799 1.25ghz eMac. The pro markets are faithful to apple, and can easily afford their hardware and software - compared to the 'real' pro-level stuff, Apple's a bargin (SGI workstations used to cost upward of $10k without software)

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  25. Slight correction by DavidinAla · · Score: 5, Informative

    Apple didn't buy a company that developed FCP, but rather bought an unfinished product called Key Grip from Macromedia. Here is a brief history of how the product came to be.

    ==========

    http://www.creativecow.net/forum/read_post.php?p os tid=108142367318278&forumid=126

    Kathlyn and I remember when FCP was being developed on WindowsNT (at Macromedia and was known as Key Grip) and Media 100 had signed on with the Key Grip team to make it their front-end of choice for M100's soon-to-be Windows system. (It was Q3-1996 at the time.) At the Macromedia World Developers Conference in September 1996, we were guests of John Molinari (founder of Media 100) and he introduced us to Bud Colligan of Macromedia, Lauren Herr of Truevision (later Pinnacle), Peter Hoddie of the Quicktime team and many members of the Key Grip team.

    Later on in October of 1996, I was asked to appear on a TV show as one of the panelists discussing digital video. The other panelists were Randy Ubillos (lead engineer of both Premiere and Key Grip (FCP)), Steve Whitney (then of M100 but later of Puffin Designs and then Pinnacle), and one of the key people from MicroNet (who then were key drive manufacturers in this marketspace).

    I also quite well remember when Apple bought Key Grip and later rechristened it Final Cut Pro. I remember the chagrin it gave Avid and how that also intensified when Apple announced that they were dropping the six-slot PCI architecture of the old 9500/9600 design base.

    I worked for Avid for 18 months under contract as a consultant to help reposition the marketing message of Avid after they made the ill-fated "We're going to be PC-only" at NAB and set their predominantly Mac-only user base on fire.

    Apple did NOT develop FCP as an answer to Avid's announcement -- it was quite the opposite, really. Avid saw the writing on the wall and determined that they stood a better chance on the Windows-side of the aisle -- a move that would later prove a lapse in judgment and would require "a repositioning of the reposition." ;o)

    Just to set the record straight,

    Ron Lindeboom
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    1. Re:Slight correction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I worked for Avid for 18 months under contract as a consultant to help reposition the marketing message of Avid after they made the ill-fated "We're going to be PC-only" at NAB and set their predominantly Mac-only user base on fire.

      Yeah, I remember that fracas.. One incident I loved hearing about was one Avid customer asking his sales rep "what about Mac compatibility?", only to be told "we don't have to be compatible with the Mac". The customer was incensed, and told the idiot "You have to be compatible with your own installed base, asshole."

      There were a bunch of Avid customers who decided right then and there that Avid was history as soon as they had an alternative.

  26. A Litte Offtopic by XplosiveX · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you are looking to buy a notebook, looks like Apple is going to introduce some updated models tomorrow.

    http://www.thinksecret.com/news/aprillaptops.htm l

    This is kind of odd, they usually announce new products on Tuesdays.

  27. Re:What's the Apple complaint today? by RedSteve · · Score: 5, Funny

    Um...could they complain that this new software only requires a one-button mouse?

    If so...Those bastards!

  28. Re:Is there a MacOS layer like Wine? by goMac2500 · · Score: 4, Informative

    GNUStep attempts to replicate the Mac OS X Cocoa API under Linux. You still have to recompile the code though, and a lot of multimedia stuff doesn't work.

  29. Re:Actually, your cause and effect might bekinda o by TheCrazyFinn · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Apple's basically replacing the now-defunct SGI Workstations.

    And doing it very well.

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  30. Re:Your cause and effect's all out of whack. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Adobe has no business talking about performance, they couldn't optimize their way out of a paper bag.

    Their purportedly multithreaded renderer in After Effects is so poorly done that you can damn near double a multiproc box's performance by running two jobs at once. Their multithreading is so poorly done a user can do it 2x better by making a few extra mouse clicks in their software.

  31. Re:Actually, your cause and effect might bekinda o by MasonMcD · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have a half-dozen of the more recent blueberry iMacs...

    Oops. Stop right there. There's your problem. You've only recently awakened, Rip VanWinkle-like, from 1999.

    I'll try to get you up-to-date. OSX!!! OMFG! Flat-panel iMacs! OMFG! G5s! OMFG! iLife! OMFG!

    OK. Just giving you a hard time. But bitching about 5 year old hardware failures just makes you look silly.

  32. Re:Yes, Hardware is a sinking ship. by dasmegabyte · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Apple doesn't HAVE to "compete" on hardware. This is ridiculous. It's like saying that that the Four Seasons will have to match prices with McDonalds, or get out of food.

    Apple has made a decision to use a non-standard platform as the vector for their OS. In a lot of ways, that has simplified the task of creating a reliable operating system. So WHAT if they're doomed to charge more than HP for an entry level system...they aren't trying to create a monopoly. So long as enough people buy their computers, devices and software to turn a profit every quarter, they're far better off than the hundreds of other PC manufacturers who can't see past the concept of hardware as a commodity.

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  33. Re:Your cause and effect's all out of whack. by azav · · Score: 4, Informative

    You are wrong.

    Apple did not "come up with Final Cut Pro." I worked at Macromedia when Randy Ubillos (of Premier fame) started creation of Keygrip. The product was 2 or more years in development and quite behind schedule. It was done out of the Macromedia offices near Oracle in the mid 90's. Macromedia sold this technology to Apple and the development continued to become Final Cut.

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  34. Re:Yes, Hardware is a sinking ship. by MasonMcD · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm saying their hardware isn't profitable.

    Their recent earnings report says otherwise.

    But you're right. They should go commodity. Cause, y'know. Dell. See. Money. They have some. A lot. Commodity. That's where the big bucks are. All those companies raking it in, hand over fist. Like Dell. And... Dell. Oh, and Gatew... wait, no. Compa... no, they got absorbed. HP!! Yes! HP! They make their dime on commodity boxes, don't they! Oh, no, they don't. It's their servers.

    I'm sure I'll think of some other company that has billions in revenue and millions and millions in profits from white boxes.

    You just hang on. I'm sure I'll be back soon.

  35. Re:Your cause and effect's all out of whack. by noewun · · Score: 4, Informative
    People are abandoning Avid because Avid treats its endusers like pieces of shit: incredibly expensive software and hardware, ridiculous support, features added when Avid feels like it rather than when they're requested, etc. Everyone in the industry knew that the minute a real competitor appeared Avid would be in trouble. When FCP 2 appeared (not FCP 1.0, as it wasn't quite there) it was possible to purchase an Avid-equivalent system for 10% of the price Avid charges.

    Avid dug their own grave on this one, and all Apple did was see an opportunity and fill it.

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  36. Re:Your cause and effect's all out of whack. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Watson was based on specs that Apple sent out to many of its developers about Shelock.

    They projected well into the future what it could and couldn't do and suggested that folks could even build sherlock plugins based on this. Someone took these specs and made another software and released it before Apple released their much more refined version.

    Moded +4 Insightful at the moment. Maybe these people don't know the true story. Or maybe you are the developer of Watson and pissed off Apple didn't buy you off like a few others had been paid off when they had done this isame thing in the past.

  37. Re:Yes, Hardware is a sinking ship. by SlamMan · · Score: 4, Funny

    Actually, judging from list time i was out there, Adobe has lots of Cinema displays, Powerbooks, and iPods.

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