Slashdot Mirror


Fourteen Digital Music Players Reviewed

prostoalex writes "The PC Magazine reviews 14 digital music players that can play MP3, WMA or AAC files. The editor's choice among the models compared includes Apple iPod Mini and iRiver iFP-390T. The editors decided to conduct a single review of both Flash- and HDD-based music players. Of special interest is the battery life test as well as sound quality test. Even though the entire article is published online in HTML, the summary of the features is available in PDF only."

30 of 497 comments (clear)

  1. Ogg Vorbis?Ogg Vorbis?Ogg Vorbis? by monstroyer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    And out of the 14 that are reviewed ZERO play Ogg Vorbis.

    Marketers, manufacturers, and capitalists: LISTEN UP!

    * I'm 29, single, and work in the computer industry. Therefore, I like gadgets and have disposable income.

    * I'm a hobbiest musician and I have been encoding everything, no exception, in OGG VORBIS since 2003. Like the teenagers say, so last year.

    * It is feasible to port the Vorbis decoder/encoder to a platform without floating point support.

    There's your demographic. Stop reaching for the teenagers and start making products for people who can afford them and desperately need them.

    Your profit margins will thank you.

    PS: I'm posting this from an iBook. I won't buy an iPod until it supports OGG!

    1. Re:Ogg Vorbis?Ogg Vorbis?Ogg Vorbis? by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yet OGG isn't "Where it's at" business-wise right now. Right now the handhelds are optimizing to be compatible with either Apple iTunes (FairPlay-ed AACs), RealNetworks Rhapsody (RealAudio codec), or Napster/BuyMusic/Walmart files (Microsoft WMAs).

      Each manufactuer is picking exactly one to align with... and nobody's pushing OGG from that side of the business.

    2. Re:Ogg Vorbis?Ogg Vorbis?Ogg Vorbis? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You are lost in a totally different world. You represent less than 1/10th of 1 percent of the potential market for these things. If I walked down the hall where I work (made up almost entirely of accountants with plenty of disposable income) I bet not one of them knows Ogg but all of them knows MP3.

      Don't be fooled into thinking that the slashdot population is at all representative of the real world.

    3. Re:Ogg Vorbis?Ogg Vorbis?Ogg Vorbis? by cmdr_beeftaco · · Score: 5, Funny

      Fruitcake LISTEN UP! * I'm 31, single, and work in the computer industry. Therefore, I like gadgets and have disposable income. * I'm a hobbiest musician and I have never heard of OGG VORBIS and have been encoding everything, no exception in MP3 since 1999. * It is feasible to play mp3 everywhere, that's why I don't have to bitch on slashdot to get support. There's your demographic. Continue reaching for the teenagers because it makes me feel younger and hipper with my white headphones. Your profit margins will thank you. PS: I'm posting this from an XP. I won't buy anything unless it cost money.

    4. Re:Ogg Vorbis?Ogg Vorbis?Ogg Vorbis? by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Oh, get yerself a Rio Karma and quitcher whinin'. I'm a video freak, and you don't see me bitching about how hardly any consumer TV sets support anything more exotic than RCA component in, do you?

      The manufacturers have heard the Cry of the Hardcore Ogg Fan, and they've responded with a collective "meh." Most of them simply don't give a damn about your niche. Rio does. Support Rio and quit acting like you're all downtrodden.

      --

      Obliteracy: Words with explosions

    5. Re:Ogg Vorbis?Ogg Vorbis?Ogg Vorbis? by blackmonday · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Unfortunately, you're not the target demographic. The target is a teenager / 20 - something with disposable income. MP3 is the standard and is what 99% of people care about. I believe the Rio Karma has Vorbis, get that one. If I hear a 17 year old girl ask about Vorbis support when she's looking at the pink iPod mini, then I'll be on board with you.

    6. Re:Ogg Vorbis?Ogg Vorbis?Ogg Vorbis? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Do you hear that rumble in the distance - the growing outcry for Ogg Vorbis support on portable music players?

      No?

      Well I don't hear it either. That's because ALMOST NO ONE CARES. Outside of a small minority of the Slashdot crowd, there is basically no consumer demand for Ogg Vorbis. Deal with it.

      (Well, that's sure to burn some karma...)

      --
      #DeleteChrome
    7. Re:Ogg Vorbis?Ogg Vorbis?Ogg Vorbis? by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 4, Funny

      If by "better looks" you mean "could have come out of a cereal box in the mid-1980's when the 'Transformers' were the absolute pinnacle of industrial design for the under-12 set," then yes, better looks indeed.

      Speaking solely for myself, I prefer something that doesn't look like it came out of the "open box" bin at the Fry's in Lomo Alto.

      --

      I write in my journal
    8. Re:Ogg Vorbis?Ogg Vorbis?Ogg Vorbis? by dasmegabyte · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Wait -- that's better looks? It looks like a Samsonite briefcase from the 1980s, and what's up with that scroll control? Was it designed by Ed Wood?

      Furthermore, 20 gig for $400 MSRP isn't cheaper -- it's the SAME PRICE as the iPod. I know, street prices are cheaper, but MSRP was the comparison used in this article as well.

      The FM tuner, voice recorder, Vorbis support and optical out are worthwhile features for some, but then again so are AAC support iTunes integration, iTMS support, FireWire and the seamless design with only three ports.

      The size -- both physical and storage -- is dead on, as is the battery life. And I'll give you this: while the iPod looks kind of like a cross between a plastic Easter Egg and a shaving mirror, this thing looks like a high tech cell phone. If you don't like the looks of the iPod because it's too postmodern, this is what you want.

      This is no iPod killer. But is an agressive iPod competitor. That's good for us iPod fans as well as the detractors.

      --
      Hey freaks: now you're ju
    9. Re:Ogg Vorbis?Ogg Vorbis?Ogg Vorbis? by galaxy300 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Non only is the MP3 format ubiquitous, but the word itself has become something of a catch-all. I've heard more than a few people talk about downloading "MP3's" from iTunes or listening to "MP3's" on their computer that are unwittingly saved in WMA format.

      It's like Xeroxing something - you can do it no matter what kind of photocopier you use. ; )

  2. Rio Karma by Dante · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Christ where is the Karma? My Karma just kicks ass, It uses USB 2.0 and Ethernet. Supports Linux. Sounds great, gets loud when I want it to be. Came with decent earphones Sennheisers no less. Has amazing battery life and weights just a few ounces, and holds 20 gigs.

    And get this, it does ogg and flac, why would I want anything else?
    --
    "think of it as evolution in action"
    1. Re:Rio Karma by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Funny

      Slashdot Error: Karma-whore detected. :)

  3. I dont use apple earbuds with my ipod by ElGnomo · · Score: 5, Informative

    earbud quality != player sound quality

  4. Karma has OGG by ponds · · Score: 4, Informative

    My Rio Karma is full of 20 GBs of ogg vorbis encoded lovin' .

    It has about 13 hours of battery life, and can talk by USB 2.0, USB 1.1, or even 100mbit ethernet. When I plug it into the ethernet, it runs a webserver with a java applet that allows you to send and receive software.

    It works on any operating system with a VM/java plugin without a hitch. I use it in Linux and didn't have to set up anythign when I got it.

    Don't know why they didnt review it...

  5. Strange Selection by jhage · · Score: 5, Interesting

    No Rio players at all (either Nitrus, Karma or any other). One Creative. Whole bunch of really odd choices (Sony MD player?). Given what they reviewed, I guess the iPod would come out on top.

  6. FM support by Dark+Paladin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm rather interested in seeing some of these that support FM radio. I hadn't really thought about it, since other than NPR I haven't listened to much radio for the last 18 months (why bother? It's the same damned stuff they were playing 3 years before that!).

    But it makes some sense - most walkman's, even CD based ones, have AM/FM radio support. A MP3 player shouldn't be that different.

    Though, maybe there is a very small portable XM radio player. Hm - something to look into.

  7. Missing choices by wizarddc · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I know they could review only so many devices, but I'm disappointed they didn't review any Archos products at all. I've had my Jukebox Studio 20 for 2 years and it still works great. It might be a little heavier than most, but battery life has never been an issue for me. This thing rules. Why did they review 9 Memory players, and only 3 HD ones? What gives?

    Who else had their favorite player ignored in this?

    --
    Th
    1. Re:Missing choices by DAldredge · · Score: 4, Funny

      Because it makes it easer for Apple (a major ad buyer) to win.

    2. Re:Missing choices by b-baggins · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Apple a major Ad buyer in PC magazine. That's a good one. Too bad I don't have mod points to mod you up funny...

      --
      You can tell a great deal about the character of a man by observing those who hate him.
  8. This beggars belief... by radish · · Score: 5, Informative


    They didn't even review the Rio Karma? Are they smoking something? If there's one player out there which has repeatedly been shown to be the genuine iPod beater it's the Karma, yet a supposedly "thorough" group test doesn't even mention it.

    For the uninitiated:

    * 16 hours battery life
    * 20gb capacity
    * Smaller than an iPod
    * Plays AAC, WMA, MP3, FLAC, OGG, and more (Audible coming soon)
    * Fully supports GAPLESS Vorbis, FLAC and mp3 playback. This is unique among portable players and a very big deal for a lot of people.
    * USB2.0 & Ethernet connectivity
    * Fully supported under Windows/Mac/Linux - works on any platform with Java & Ethernet
    * Best of class sound quality
    * Full 5-band parametric EQ
    * On the fly playlists, Rio DJ (randomisation, new tracks, old tracks, most played etc)
    * Crossfade between tracks
    * The thing just ROCKS

    I will be writing to the editor...

    --

    ---- Den ene knappen er powerknapp, den andre er Bender voice knapp "Bite My Shiny Metal Ass"

    1. Re:This beggars belief... by jkabbe · · Score: 5, Informative

      Smaller than an iPod

      If you're going to talk something up at least be correct.

      Karma: 2.7 * 3.0 * 1.1 = 8.91 cubic inches
      iPod: 4.1 * 2.4 * 0.62 = 6.1008 cubic inches

      If "size" = "height" then, yes, the Karma is smaller. However the iPod is smaller in the other two dimensions and smaller in overall volume. If Apple wanted the iPod to be 33% larger I am sure they could add more battery life too.

  9. Bah! by Espen · · Score: 5, Informative

    "iTunes is incapable of displaying file types"

    Give these guys a thesaurus! What do they think the "kind" column is for in "view options"?

    And is it really worth reading a review that sees anything worthwhile in: "The 3.4-ounce iPod Mini has more EQ selections than any other player"?

  10. What about the Neuros? by talexb · · Score: 4, Informative

    It seems odd that they didn't include a review of the Neuros Audio unit. I have the unit with the 20G hard drive, and although the firmware is a little wobbly, it's a great unit with a cool feature called HiSi, or "Hear it - See it" that lets you identify a song on the built-in radio or even on a P.A. system through the internal microphone.

  11. Dedicated software for iFP-390T? No! by 87C751 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The review lists "dedicated software" as a minus for the iRiver iFP-390T. Wrong! Here is the UMS update. My 390T looks just like a disk drive to my Gentoo box.

    --
    Mail? Put "slashdot" in the subject to pass the spam filters.
  12. Holy Mary! by ilikejam · · Score: 4, Informative

    The frequency response curves on all those headphones is absolutely horrific!
    Do yourselves a favour - buy the cheapest player and get a pair of headphones for $30. It'll sound way better than anything with the supplied headphones.
    I think I'll be sticking with my 'old school' MiniDisc Walkman (and yes it is a Sony, so yes I can call it a Walkman) and my Grado SR60s. Mmmm. Expensive.

    --
    C-x C-s C-x k
  13. other mp3 player review source by hackman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It seems like it is hard to find factual reviews of mp3 players. This might be useful to some of you, check out the playerblog site which has postings of mp3 player reviews.

    --
    __ No registration required to read this message. They did it in the Matrix.
  14. Re:This might be off-topic by SydShamino · · Score: 4, Informative

    It is the Digisette, as another poster says.

    I have a Digisette DUO-DX AR-496 digital music player. It supports MP3 and WMA and AudioBook formats, though I've only used it with MP3. Note that it can also record MP3s on the fly, using an audio-in jack. Useful if you want a digital tape recorder in a pinch. It also has a headphone jack and sounds great as a stand-along portable player.

    It comes with built-in 96 MB flash memory. It has an expansion slot for an MMC upgrade. Note that the manual and website might just mention a 64 MB upgrade, but I -confirm- that it works with a 256 MB MMC. With about 350 MB of music on it now, I have more music than battery life (which is about 5 hours).

    I drive a convertible, and I would never consider putting a custom stereo into it. My wife has a nifty iPod, but her stereo retransmit thingy gets a lot of static, and the whole arrangement is much more cumbersome than a single unit I can drop into the built-in tape player. Despite what some reviews of the product have said, you can skip tracks without taking the thing out of the tape deck.

    While I would have tried a 512 MB MMC if I had found one, I think 256 MB were the largest made before the shift to SD whatever, which it does not support. I would eventually like more space than I have now, but it is perfectly usable as is for my commutes to and from work, with the nice variety of happy music I can sing to on a nice Spring drive in a convertible in Texas. It makes commuting fun. :)

    --
    It doesn't hurt to be nice.
  15. Missing choices - Rio Nitrus - Rio Anything by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 4, Informative
    They seem to have picked their winners and then picked some schlock for them to beat. To not even consider anything from Rio is idiotic. Several have mentioned the Karma. For flash players, the Cali has to be at least considered by anyone looking for one of these.

    I own a Rio Nitrus. Some of the things I like about it are:
    • Form factor - size and weight of a large binder clip.
    • Excellent sound quality.
    • Genuine 16+ hour battery life.
    • 1.5 GB capacity.
    • 5 band equalizer with presets and customizing.
    • Easy to use controls, menus, and backlit display.
    --
    Some mornings it's hardly worth chewing through the restraints to get out of bed.
  16. CD players? by W2k · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I want to know what happened to MP3-CD players and why no-one seems to care enough to review them anymore, let alone include them in large-scale comparisons such as these. I have an ancient AVC SoulPlayer DMP-201 which was cheap when I got it, and sells for even less ($99!) nowadays. Highlights in brief:
    • It plays MP3 (VBR/CBR) and WMA burned to regular CD-R or CD-RW. No OGG, but then again, very few players do.
    • It plays regular CD's! Yes, the kind you buy in a store, or the kind you have to keep around still because it's all your car's CD player supports.
    • Storage: As many tracks as you can fit on a CD(-R[W]), which is to say, about 700 MB. That is, between 150-250 songs (my regular playlist is about 50 songs, though I can see how being able to store "only" 250 tracks may be a problem for some people).
    • Battery life: 10-15 hours. Well in excess of what most flash or HD-based players can do as reported by this article.
    • Media costs: Dirt cheap and easy to replace (CD-RW's are what, $1-$2 apiece?)
    • Portability: Not as good as a flash-based player, for obvious reasons. Comparable to one of the larger HD-based players in width, but pretty thin. Fits in most pockets (goes without saying that newer MP3/CD players are smaller). Doesn't weigh much.
    • Other: Great sound. Does not crackle up when batteries run low. Headphone and line-out stereo connections. Menu-based interface, lots of options. Upgradeable firmware.
    Now, this is not to say that MP3-CD players are without their issues. Do I hear someone mention skipping? The DMP-201 has 10+ minutes of cache memory. No, you can't use it while jogging (unless your jogs are really short) but it's sufficient on a bicycle or at the gym. Again, like the storage space, this is a problem that will not affect everyone.
    --
    Quality, performance, value; you get only two, and you don't always get to pick.
  17. The picked the wrong iRiver, too. by PCM2 · · Score: 5, Informative
    My iRiver IHP-120 holds 20GB, connects via USB 2.0, mounts as a filesystem and lets you organize your MP3s using the filesystem (unlike the Karma, which wants you to use its software), plays OGG, gets 12-14hrs battery life, is just a hair larger than the iPod and the same weight. Plus it has an FM tuner for those days you want to listen to NPR, and it records -- either to MP3 on the fly, or to 44KHz uncompressed WAV. And it has optical in and out.

    Choosing between it and the Karma was tough for me, but I decided the iRiver had cooler features and was just a hair more open; not to mention that iRiver has a good track record for upgrades. They've publicly announced fixes for some problems with shuffle and playlist creation that should arrive in May, and by June the IHP series should have gapless playback like the Karma.

    --
    Breakfast served all day!