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This Robot Collects Fingerprints

Roland Piquepaille writes "When police officers found suspicious packages today in an airport or a train station, they destroyed them immediately, along with potential fingerprints on them. A new robotic device, dubbed RAFFE (short for "Robot Accessory for Fuming Fingerprint Evidence), developed by scientists from the University of Toronto (U of T) and the University of Calgary, offers a solution to this problem. Mounted on an ordinary robot, it will reveal fingerprints by releasing Super Glue on the object. Then it will take pictures of these fingerprints. The Calgary Police Service is already using RAFFE for field tests. This overview contains more details and extra references."

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  1. Yergblerghas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny


    Mounted on an ordinary robot

    Great, the T-1000 series try to extinguish humanity by smothering us with Super Glue fumes.

  2. Christmas presents by r_glen · · Score: 5, Funny

    Squirt gun - age 7
    Remote control vehicle - age 10
    Camera - age 14

    Dammit, I could have invented this thing 10 years ago!

    1. Re:Christmas presents by DebianRcksLindowsLie · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So just exactly how does one put super glue into a squirt gun without gumming it up?

  3. Isn't there a by alen · · Score: 2, Funny

    right to privately leave unmarked packages in an airport?

    1. Re:Isn't there a by Frnknstn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No. At the very least it is littering.

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  4. Cartoon in the making? by Jaywalk · · Score: 4, Funny
    I can just see a Looney Tune scenario in the making when someone touches a bomb covered with Super Glue . . .

    (Oh, admit it. You thought the same thing.)

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  5. Just what we need... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...a glue-sniffing robot. I can already see hordes of them loitering on street corners in dingy Slipknot t-shirts pestering me for change.

  6. Proud Canadian by dolo666 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm Canadian and I'm always really happy when I hear of advances in science from our great nation. I'm tired of hearing Canada being labled as a safe-haven for terrorists, and it makes me proud to know that our universities are continuing to contribute to the capture and conviction of terrorists all over the world. By securing the lives of law enforcement officials everywhere, Canada has contributed to making everyone safer, and in turn, improving the quality of life in America. I also can't wait to see an episode of CSI (or CSI Miami) with this little techno-wonder in action!

    1. Re:Proud Canadian by saforrest · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm tired of hearing Canada being labled as a safe-haven for terrorists...

      Well, you could just stop watching Fox News. :)

    2. Re:Proud Canadian by ergo98 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As a fellow Canadian, I find your post grovelling, pandering, and embarrasing. As another poster said: We have nothing to prove. This is just another academic advance from another of the world's research institutes, and it's rather pathetic to "see! We matter!" with it.

      In any case, do you really think the far-right in the US, the people who will say and do whatever they want to support their pet projects, care about facts (this'll make em see the light)? Of course they don't. They care about promoting xenophobia, paranoia, and the illusion of safety. All to get some funding for the local military base, or the local tech center that's developing a massive big brother database, or whatever other number of slush fund contributors they need to appease. If that means creating an illusion of a complacent Canada because we don't jump everytime their narrowsighted, politically charged so-called-intelligence agencies uncreatively imagine a threat (usually be imagining the prior threat repeating), then that's a price they're will to make someone else pay.

  7. Super by blackmonday · · Score: 3, Funny

    Last time I used Super Glue I glued by thumb and index finger together for an hour. I hope this robot is better at sticking that little pin in the container than I am.

  8. Super glue? by SCSi · · Score: 2, Funny

    Cue jokes about Johnny-5 super-gluing himself to random objects.

  9. But.. by BorkBorkBork6000 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wouldn't it be much cheaper to hire the homeless or students to take the prints?

    1. Re:But.. by MalaclypseTheYounger · · Score: 3, Funny

      True story.. a friend of mine used to sell robotic bomb-finding machines. They had a 85% success rate of defusing bombs. They cost about 10 million US to purchase.

      A Russian military person was interested in the machines, until he found out that if the robot failed to defuse the bomb, they usually were broken beyond repair.

      He said "We'll just stick to using soldiers. They're much cheaper"

      Nice. :)

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  10. Re:Super Glue by grub · · Score: 4, Informative


    The glue is heated up and the fumes adhere to the skin oils in the fingerprint. They don't dunk the object in a tank of glue.

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  11. Re:Beverly Hillls Cop, too! by Neon+Spiral+Injector · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It isn't exactly the super glue, it is the cyanoacrylate fumes released from heating the glue. It turns the finger prints white, then they can be photographed.

    The reason they don't have a human doing this work, is because it is a dangerous assignment, investigating a suspecious package. Normally the robot would just destroy the package, finger prints and all. Now they can make images of the prints before destroying the package.

  12. Will the evidence hold up in court? by gevmage · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wonder how this is going to hold up in court? Are digital photographs of the fingerprints (I assume that's how the pics are taken) submittable as evidence in a court of law?

    I think it's a terrific idea, but the first time it's used, there's going to be a huge fight about the guarantee of authenticity of the prints.

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    1. Re:Will the evidence hold up in court? by The+Ultimate+Fartkno · · Score: 2, Insightful


      > Are digital photographs of the fingerprints... submittable as evidence in a court of law?

      Under the PATRIOT act, a model of the fingerprints sculpted entirely out of CHEEZ-WHIZ would be admissable.

      "...because if we can't use creamy, cheezy goodness to keep this nation safe, then the terrorists have already won." - John Ashcroft

    2. Re:Will the evidence hold up in court? by Scrag · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why would the authenticity be questioned more than with current methods of taking prints? In the end it comes down to trusting that the police are not fabricating the evidence, and I don't think this system makes it any easier to fabricate fingerprints than it already is.

    3. Re:Will the evidence hold up in court? by shystershep · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's a good point, but probably moot. Just because it's not admissible in court doesn't mean that the police/FBI can't use it to investigate the crime. And find such fingerprints would be more than sufficient probable cause to issue a search warrant, where (if the suspect is in fact guilty) admissible evidence can be found. At that point, the authenticity of the fingerprints really doesn't matter too much.

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    4. Re:Will the evidence hold up in court? by Alter+Relationship · · Score: 2

      At that point, the authenticity of the fingerprints really doesn't matter too much.
      Enemy of the State, anyone? Go 2-3 levels up: plant some "evidence" in the target's home, make him look like a mafia-man/drug-dealer/child-molester, then it doesn't really matter if the fingerprints were real - people will know he's lying even before he opens his mouth.
      Scary stuff (and best-of-what-I-remember-now quote)

      .

  13. Didn't Eddie Murphy do this? by IWantMoreSpamPlease · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In one of his cop films? And here I thought it was just Hollywood being typical (i.e. getting science and technology incorrect)

    Who knew, all these years, that super glue *does* pick up fingerprints?!

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    1. Re:Didn't Eddie Murphy do this? by damiangerous · · Score: 2, Informative
      Who knew, all these years, that super glue *does* pick up fingerprints?!

      Every forensic scientist, crime scene investigator and police officer? This is an old technique known as "cyanoacrylate fuming" and was invented in, I believe, the late 70's. It was in pretty common use by the time Eddie Murphy was making cop movies, that's for certain.

  14. Re:Beverly Hillls Cop, too! by Luguber123 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I have no problem with making a list of people who qualifies for the job!

  15. Not to nitpick but... by GillBates0 · · Score: 4, Informative
    When police officers found suspicious packages today in an airport or a train station, they destroyed them immediately, along with potential fingerprints on them.

    This introductory sentence makes it sound like there was some *specific* event today at the airport or bus station involving suspicious packages and police officers.

    Though gramatically correct, it is a matter of practice in written/spoken English to use the present tense when generalizing as in: "When police officers find suspicious packages today in an airport or a train station, they destroy them immediately, along with potential fingerprints on them."

    I wouldn't even have bothered pointing this out, but that blurb made me scurry over to http://news.google.com for a look-see. Good story though.

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  16. Remote Controlled Device not robot by RichMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why do people keep calling remote controlled devices robots?

    A robot is an autonomous object responding to its environment.
    A remote controlled device is under direct control.

    We call them
    Remote Controlled Cars
    Remote Controlled Planes
    these are clearly not "ROBOTS".

    Why are the more esoteric remote controlled devices called robots?

    1. Re:Remote Controlled Device not robot by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


      Why are the more esoteric remote controlled devices called robots?

      I call my RealDoll "Becky".

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    2. Re:Remote Controlled Device not robot by RichMan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      >> Just sequencers

      So traffic lights are now robots?
      A pinball machine is now a robot?
      An old mechanical telephone exchange is a robot?
      My car is now a robot? (the whole car as an electro mechincal system responding to inputs, does it matter if I sit, in it, on it, or 50' away and control it over wires.

      I would give it to assembly line robots as electro-mechanical systems responding to programmed code with little more than on/off and sensors for inputs.

      Putting humans directly in the control loop stops making it a robot. Having humans direct, a'la slave, would still meet the definition of a robot.

    3. Re:Remote Controlled Device not robot by flying_monkies · · Score: 2, Informative

      dictionary.com: robot ( P ) A mechanical device that sometimes resembles a human and is capable of performing a variety of often complex human tasks on command or by being programmed in advance. A machine or device that operates automatically or by remote control. A person who works mechanically without original thought, especially one who responds automatically to the commands of others. +4 Insightful because he can't use a dictionary? Please.

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  17. I can just see it... by ArbiterOne · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Sir..." "What?" "The robot appears to have glued its fingers together, sir..." "Darnit! Do we have any nail polish remover?"

  18. Homer Simpson moment by poptones · · Score: 3, Insightful
    This is definitely one of those "Doh!" moments. As in "why didn't I think of that?"

    With all the crap patents we hear about in this forum, it's great to read about a simple, obvious invention that someone actually invented - an idea that's actually worth some real credit.

    But it still makes me wanna kick myself for not thinking of it first.

  19. I smell sitcom! by ArmenTanzarian · · Score: 4, Funny

    Two members of the bomb squad, like a modern day odd couple and their lovable sarcastic robot friend who squirts super glue on them. Hijinx... ready.... GO!!!1

    1. Re:I smell sitcom! by frodo+from+middle+ea · · Score: 2, Insightful

      better yet, I smell a reality TV show, hot semi nude chicks , competing against robots, to defuse live bombs. And to add, shocking surprising elements , make some bombs irreversible. kick a55.

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  20. It's not a glue sniffing robot. by Jin+Wicked · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's a glue dispensing robot, which means that it will be followed where-ever it goes by kids in Slipknot t-shirts pestering you for change.

    On the plus side, it will make it rather easy for these rampant glue-junkies to be brought to justice, making the streets safer for us all.

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    1. Re:It's not a glue sniffing robot. by drivelikejehu · · Score: 3, Funny

      If by brought to justice you mean being blown to smithereens, I can't agree with you more.

  21. Re:Counter-Robot by kill-hup · · Score: 4, Funny

    They already have! It's called a GLOVE ;)

    Smart criminals don't assemble packages/leave home without them.

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  22. In other news... by Saeger · · Score: 2, Funny
    In other news, the Bomb Squad labor union is threatening to strike if management decides to replace their jobs with cheaper, more productive robots.

    Also, loss of life doesn't seem to be an issue here... apparently being on the bomb squad gets you laid almost as much as being a post-9/11 fireman.

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  23. Re: finger prints by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Funny
    This Robot Collects Fingerprints
    So does my monitor, my TV screen, the fridge, windows, etc. Can I have my grant now?

    (Yeah, I RTFA. It's a joke :-)

  24. Why? by teamhasnoi · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Wouldn't any self-respecting bomb maker wear gloves, or superglue his/her own fingerprints to make them illegible?

    Or better yet, involve someone to handle the package for him/her, throwing the trail off?

    This is only going to catch the dummies, who most likely have already blown themselves up.

  25. Mounted on an ordinary robot... by stratjakt · · Score: 2, Funny

    Where do I get an ordinary robot?

    What is an "ordinary" robot? It's not like I can go to the local robot dealer and look at base model "ordinary" robots vs the sports package or "pleasure model" AWESOM-O 4000.

    Please define "ordinary robot". Most of the robots I see in cartoons or movies are quite extraordinary. Thanks in advance, bitches.

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  26. Mounted on an ordinary robot by Wiseazz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's just vague enough to work.

    An ordinary "bomb disposal" robot would be better. I might also take exception to the term "robot", if I wanted to be a jerk about it.

    Good idea, though. I'm sure if they thought about it, they could add a whole swiss-army knife's worth of gadgets to the arms on those things.

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  27. Oh no! My $250,000 finger print robot by blueZ3 · · Score: 5, Funny

    glued itself to the bomb!

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  28. Re:Beverly Hillls Cop, too! by Uber+Banker · · Score: 4, Informative

    Fingerprinting an exploded bomb is commonly done though, and I wouldn't doubt DNA testing also being done. Whatever it is - the casing, schrapnel, components... discrete parts usually remain allowing fingerprinting, even on 1000lb bombs.

    Of course figerprinting a live bomb it is great (easier to find parts that may have prints, and reduces the uncertainty 'just in case'), but fingerprinting exploded bombs is done and is very successful.

  29. California v. Greenwood by David+Hume · · Score: 3, Informative

    Isn't there a right to privately leave unmarked packages in an airport?


    I'm not sure if you are joking, but if you are not you may want to look at the U.S. Supreme Court decision in California v. Greenwood, 486 U.S. 35 (1988). The Court stated:

    The issue here is whether the Fourth Amendment prohibits the warrantless search and seizure of garbage left for collection outside the curtilage of a home. We conclude, in accordance with the vast majority of lower courts that have addressed the issue, that it does not.


    I understand that this is not directly on point in that it concerns garbage. However, in this age of terrorism I very much doubt that the Supreme Court is going to hold that the authorities cannot take fingerprints off of a package apparently abandoned at an airport, train station, etc.

    1. Re:California v. Greenwood by Ra5pu7in · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nope, "curtilage" is the correct term as quoted and means:

      a piece of ground (as a yard or courtyard) within the fence surrounding a house

      *from good ol' Merriam-Webster

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  30. Re:Counter-Robot by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Smart criminals

    that is an oxymoron.. or actually in reality is' exceedingly rare to find a smart criminal.

    and this, my friends, is a GOOD THING. imagine if the braindead-turds in a gang discovered what a 30-6 hunting rifle and a good scope can do. or the same rifle and some well welded together washers that you lightly machine just right can do to the sound of that rifle.

    Criminals are stupid to the extreme... that is why they are criminals.

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  31. An anecdote... by CPM+User · · Score: 3, Funny
    Many years ago now, we had a job to do in Belfast, and after work we got very drunk in a pub. We left the car parked directly outside the pub and when we returned for it in the morning, the army had blown it up after someone had phoned in some car bomb threat. It later turned out that our insurance did not cover this sort of thing.

    Fortunately, it wasn't me that had to explain what had happened to the shiny new company car.

  32. Ordinary Robot by Sloppy · · Score: 2, Funny
    Mounted on an ordinary robot..
    I guess it really is the 21st century, when people start using phrases like "ordinary robot." Now where's my suitcase-car?
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  33. Re:Beverly Hillls Cop, too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So what happens when it comes across a suspicious white package? Are we going to see white packing paper and boxes outlawed?

  34. I am nitpicking.... by hopemafia · · Score: 2, Informative

    Never before have I seen a Grammar Nazi with worse grammar.

    It not gramatically correct, and that is why it is confusing as hell.

    Is is a small word, but it is necessary after "It" in this case.

    The reason it is not gramatically correct, is because of the the OR clause.

    No comma is needed in this sentence and "the" is repeated.

    Lets analize in detail..

    I think you must mean analyse...I don't even want to think about detailed analizing. It's also a sentence fragment (no subject) and is followed by "..". If this was supposed to be a sentence it should end ". " or it could be linked to the following sentence with an "..." or a ":" could also be used.

    First part is "When police officeres found sucpicious pakes today",

    This is the worst, since it is a quote. Why not just copy and paste? Officers, suspicious, and packages are all misspelled. And the sentence should be started with "The", and end with a period since the comma make it a run-on sentence.

    this means the author is talking about a perticular incident , that took place sometime today.

    In this sentence "This" should be capitalized, "that" is needed after "means", particular should be spelled with an "a", and there should be no space before the comma that shouldn't be there in the first place.

    But then he goes on to say "in an Airport OR a train station", This does not make gramatical sence.

    Beginning a sentence with "But", while technically legal, is redundant in this case since "then" implies the continuation of the previous thought. This is also two sentences, not one, thus the comma should be a period, and sense does not have a "c".

    If the author is speaking of a perticular incident, then there should be no ambiguity about where it took place. So the correct use should indeed be as the parent pointed out, in present tense.

    This is pretty good, aside from the aforementioned misspelling of particular, and the need for a "the" in front of "present tense".

    Please stop tarnishing the noble profession of Grammar Nazi with your drivel.

    (It's funny...so laugh already...and feel free to pick apart my grammar because I'm sure I messed something up in all that.)

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  35. This only underlines the importance... by TheTranceFan · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...of taking pictures of things before you blow the shit out of them.

  36. Canadian robot eh? by xRelisH · · Score: 3, Funny

    Is it made out of wood and will it play hockey?

  37. Sometime in the future... by Jade+E.+2 · · Score: 2, Funny
    The technicians watch the screen closely as the hot fumes settle over the bomb, 2 blocks away. They're looking for any sign of fingerprints, ready to aim and snap a shot with the remote unit's secondary, high-res camera as soon as they show up. Faint areas start to stand out in a strange pattern... And soon they realize it's a word... "B"... "BO"... "BOO"... "BOOM"... "BOOM!"...

    As the fumes adhere to the drop of oil on the small light sensor in the dot of the exlamation point, covering it in an opaque white coating, there's a faint click deep inside the bomb.

    "Damnit, that robot was expensive!" the squad captain says to his lieutenant, as they huddle behind their van, debris raining down around them.