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bot writes "A recent Slate article covers the onerous responsibilites of the Planetary Protection Officer. He is tasked with preventing contamination of earth by alien organisms, and 'forward contamination' (contamination of other planets with earth germs). There is also a published protocol (PDF link) for avoiding Martian bugs."

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  1. Re:Ok... by cybermace5 · · Score: 3, Informative

    BTW, something that should have been in the original submission: Planetary Protection Office website

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  2. Re:Ok... by simoniker · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually, I'll take responsibility for that one, sorry about that - it _was_ a relevant link.

  3. Ants in the Apollo 11 Crew Quarantine Module by G4from128k · · Score: 4, Informative

    I think this person has an impossible job.

    Years later, astronaut Buzz Aldrin said in a television interview that the mobile quarantine trailer in which the Apollo 11 crew was isolated had one serious flaw: Ants appeared to be going into and out of the trailer (37). If there were any Moon bugs, they would have gotten out with the ants. -- from The dilemma of Mars sample return

    Add to that all the meteorites that fail to stop at the agricultural station on their way in, and I'd think the Earth is already pretty contaminated.

    I'm not saying that he should not try to reduce cross-contamination, only that its not an easy job.

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  4. Re:Does NASA have too much money? by the+arbiter · · Score: 5, Informative

    1. No, bathing probes in radiation is not enough to sterilize them, unfortunately. 2. NASA's planning on sending back samples from space and from the surface of Mars. Better have a protocol and procedure by then! Pay some now, pay much more later.

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  5. First Draft of the Prime Directive? by David+Hume · · Score: 4, Informative

    The NASA Requirements for Protecting Life on Other Bodies could be the First Draft of the Prime Directive:

    As suggested by NASA's Michael Meyer, there is an ethical component to decisions we make as we move outward from our planet to explore other worlds. As such, NASA's Planetary Protection Advisory Committee has a bioethicist on it. The first cases of interaction between life from two worlds could happen as we explore Mars, or perhaps Europa. This will likely be limited to simple lifeforms. At some point we'll have to deal with more complex issues.


    As indicated, dealing with simple life forms does not present many of the issues addressed in the Prime Directive:

    As the right of each sentient species to live in accordance with its normal cultural evolution is considered sacred, no Star Fleet personnel may interfere with the healthy development of alien life and culture. Such interference includes the introduction of superior knowledge, strength, or technology to a world whose society is incapable of handling such advantages wisely. Star Fleet personnel may not violate this Prime Directive, even to save their lives and/or their ship unless they are acting to right an earlier violation or an accidental contamination of said culture. This directive takes precedence over any and all other considerations, and carries with it the highest moral obligation.


  6. Re:Removing fingerprints doesn't work by Dun+Malg · · Score: 3, Informative
    Criminals have already tried removing their fingerprints already. The resulting lack of fingerprints and scaring is actually more distinctive than the criminals original fingerprints.

    What's more, the unique pattern of lines that make up your fingerprints actually cover much of hands. A good palm print left at the scene of a crime will get you convicted just as easily...

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  7. RTFA by boarder · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, as impossible as the job might be, this position wasn't around during the Apollo days. The article clearly states that NASA didn't consider Lunar bugs to be much of an issue, since it is a very hostile place for life. It wasn't until the Viking landers leaving for Mars that this position was developed.

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  8. Re:Forward Contamination by enosys · · Score: 2, Informative

    The people will be in spacesuits. That makes it easier. I guess the main problem would be stuff coming out of the spaceship or base as people exit from it. Perhaps disinfection of the outside of the space suit, tools and on the way back samples can be done in the airlock. I certainly don't think it's unsolvable.

  9. Re:Does NASA have too much money? by quetzalc0atl · · Score: 3, Informative

    a friend of mine once worked at a place that does sterilization for hospitals. catheters, needles, that sort of thing.

    their treatments were extreme: ethylene oxide (nasty compound), cobalt 60 radiation, ultraviolet, antiobiotic sprays, you name it. they would place swabs of bacterial samples through out the items to see if indeed they were getting sterilized.

    the fact is, they were never able to kill everything; this is a well known fact within that little niche industry. there are simply bacteria that cannot be killed, end of story.

    so no, it is not simply a matter of "bathing probes in radiation" since it all depends upon how you define "sterility".

  10. Re:Wildfire? by hey! · · Score: 5, Informative

    OK, IANAE but here goes.

    The chance of an alien microbe getting a toehold on Earth is pretty much zero. Most every niche is filled by a lifeform that has four billion years worth of ancestors that didn't die before they breed.

    Too optimistic, not based on actual experience.

    Examples: fragmities, cane toad, zebra mussel, weird and untreatable hospital infections. West Nile Virus.

    Actually, being highly tuned to a particular ecological niche doesn't protect an organism from anything but incremental changes in local fauna or flora. In point of fact, alien organisms (in the sense of from different ecological systems), if they can survive often end up growing explosively.

    Why? pertty much everything in a mature ecology is food for something else. Animals on the top of the food chain are food for microbes. Usually microbes aren't a limiting factor in an undisturbed ecosystem because these animals also usually have evolved a conservative reproductive strategy: modest litters at infrequent places. WHich is what makes top level predators easy to endanger.

    However, if you take an critter from the middle of the deck, or worse yet the bottom, their strategy tends to be predation limited or resource (therefore competition limited) or both, not reproductively limited. They are also limited by specific competitive defenses evolved by cohabitors of their particular niche. Which is why you don't see only one kind of critter or one kind of plant occupying a niche exclusively (which by your logic should be the norm), but usually there are many varieties predators, grazers, trees whatever, although one may be predominant. For example in the woods near my house there is both hickory and sumac, although they have overlapping niches.

    The problem with an alien organism is that if it is naturally resource limited rather than reproductively limited, and has resoruces to exploit in its new home, there will be no factor checking its growth until it consumes all of the available resources.

    I happen to work in the public health field, although I am not an epidemiolgist. We often remark that the unprecedently huge population of the human race is a microbe's bangquet. Space microbes do not concern me unduly, and the steps being taken by NASA seem prudent and sufficient. However we DO face potential threat from "alien" microbes that are released by ecological disruption. There are cases of permanent benign infections in remote populations that form a kind of symbiotic biological defense against incursion. Hanta virus definitely fits this pattern, it is possible the Ebola may as well.

    The destruction particularly of tropical habitat, with its greater biodiversity and fiercer competition, is a public health concern. These places in past were avoided by humans because they were "pestilential". People who explored these regions often came down with infections, usually malaria but very often some unnamed agent. In addition to the loss of biolgical resource, the things that are released by these incursions, combined with rapid global travel, should be a serious concern. Ebola is, in a sense, too aggressive to be a global danger, but a bug like the 1918 influenza in its characteristics would be very dangerous indeed. Expect over the next decade a number of new stories about novel tropical infections, hopefully none spreading too far beyond their origin.

    So, in short, from an ecological perspective your optimism is not warranted. Yes, the most likely situation is that a new bug will die out. However, if it doesn't die out it will very likely be a major problem, although not necessarily to human health.

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